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Offline H.

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born a muslim?
« on: July 10, 2017, 10:56:07 AM »
assalamu alaikum,

we all know the story of moses and khidr, and that khidr killed the boy in quran 18:74, "" Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Moses said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have done Nukra a great Munkar (prohibited, evil, dreadful) thing!" (Khidr) said: "Did I not tell you that you can have no patience with me?" "

it is explained why he killed him a few verses later and in tafasir, quran 18:80, ""And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy. "

tafsir ibn kathir: " Their love for him might make them follow him in disbelief. Qatadah said, "His parents rejoiced when he was born and grieved for him when he was killed. If he had stayed alive, he would have been the cause of their doom. So let a man be content with the decree of Allah, for the decree of Allah for the believer, if he dislikes it, is better for him than if He were to decree something that he likes for him.'' An authentic Hadith says"

jalalayn: "‘He was incorrigibly disposed to disbelief and had he lived longer this disposition of his would have oppressed them because of their love for him they would have followed him in such a path of disbelief’."

so we see that the boy was killed because he would make both of his parents disbelievers and bring them to the hellfire

i have a question about this though, in ibn kathir it says:
Ibn `Abbas narrated from Ubayy bin Ka`b that the Prophet said:(The boy Al-Khidr killed was destined to be a disbeliever from the day he was created.)

does this not contradict the idea that everyone is born a muslim

No baby is born but upon Fitrah. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist."
Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426

fitrah in islam is that human beings are born with an innate inclination of tawhid (Oneness)

so muhammad says as is said in ibn kathir that this boy was destined from the day he was born to be a disbeliever, but this hadith says that everyone is born upon fitrah of tawhid, how do we reconcile the two

jazakallahum khairan.

Offline AMuslimDude213

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Re: born a muslim?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 01:35:39 PM »
It says he was DESTINED,means he was born a muslim but he was destined to grow up a disbeliever.


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