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Urgent response on biblics verset
« on: July 27, 2022, 07:56:05 AM »
Salaam Aleykoum one of ex-muslim who conevrted to christianity recently, say to me one of his reason converted are isaiah 35:4-6 which for him announced the coming of jesus in God on earth and say it also connects with Matthew 11:3-6
She speak also about deuteronomy 13:1-5 say this is relate to prophet Muhammad(sws).

If someone help me to response to this 2 quesrion which i don't realy found the answers.Thank You
(Sorry for some misspelling my english is weak)

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2022, 09:16:17 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Isaiah 35:4-6
4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.


This is a prophecy about future Arabia.  There are ample passages that speak about the bless future of Arabia via the coming of Islam and the return of the Messiah:

www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2022, 03:24:28 AM »
Sorry for disturbing,
I want information about jesus glory, she say jesus is only who as glory, for other verse she say this.
Psaume 3:3
So" first of all no, it is David who addresses God and not the other way around, we see him with “But you, O Lord!  » .  We also see that David does not have his own glory because the only glory he has is that of God which is therefore not his!!  Which shows that the Father did not give glory to men."
And for Psaume 8:5
" Then you talk about Psalm 8: 5, again you are wrong, it is Men who speak to God about Jesus!  And not the other way around, we see it with "You did it" and "you have it", if it had been the other way around, the turn would have been "you did it" and <  "You have them", it's just simple English understanding..."
Finally for John 17:24 :
" Then in John 17:22, once again a verse taken out of context since it is not God the father who gave his glory to the apostles but God the sons, Jesus, we see it just in the following verse which differentiates from  elsewhere the father of the son, John 17:23 "I in them, and you in me" basically the glory of Jesus in them and the glory of the father in the son. "
If you can help me and sorry for errors my English is little weak. Thank you

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2022, 05:58:07 PM »
Peace be upon you,

Your friend claimed that he left Islam for Christianity because of his understanding of Isaiah (35:4-6) which says about the coming of Jesus in God on earth.

•   Isaiah (35:4) say to those with fearful hearts, “Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you.”

Please note that the verse says "your God" “your God will come, he will come with vengeance…” but it does not say that God will come in the shape of a man. God’s knowledge is everywhere and He can send His revenge to the wicked and save the righteous from anywhere. It simply means that God will come to punish and save from anywhere and anytime but NOT as a man because He clearly said that He is not a man.

•   Hosea (11:9) I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

•   Numbers (23:19) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Also, please note that Jesus is the son of mankind "Mary" and God said that He is neither a son of man nor a man, therefore, the addition that your friend has added to Isaiah (35:4) that the coming of God will be in Jesus on earth is completely false because Jesus said that he is a man.

•   Acts (2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as you yourselves know,

Next, I did not understand why your friend understands from Matthew (11:3-5) that Jesus is god. These verses did not say that Jesus is god, it simply says that the blind will receive sight…the dead are raised… That’s exactly what God said in Quran, it says that Jesus will bring dead people to life BUT by the permission of God. 

•   Matthew (11:3) to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?” 4 Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5 The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. 6 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.”

•   Quran (3:49) And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.

God said in Deuteronomy (13:1-5) not to listen to any prophet who asks you to worship other gods. But Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) asked us to worship God which Prophet Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, etc. worshipped. Please note that verse 5 says that a false prophet must be put to death. But God did not allow anyone to kill Prophet Mohamed (PBUH). He remained alive for 22 years until he delivered Quran to mankind. Also, keep in mind that Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) was engaged in many battles, yet God protected him.

•   Deuteronomy (13:5) That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

Please note that the verse says that “That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow”, but Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) did not turn us from the way of God. In fact, he brought us very close to God because he forbid adultery, murdering an innocent person for no reason, robbery, and so on and he asked us to help each other and help the needy ones and so on.

Regarding Psaume (3:3), you said that David is the one who calls God and not the other way around. This is correct. Then you said that we also see that David does not have his own glory because the only glory he has is that of God which is therefore not his. This is correct, no one has glory other than God, not even Prophet Mohamed or Jesus or any other Prophet. You also said that the Father “God” did not give glory to men. This is also correct because God said in Isaiah He does not share His glory with anyone.

•   Isaiah (42:8) I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols

And for Psaume (8:5) you said that it is men who were speaking to God about Jesus! No, it is David who was glorifying God and acknowledging His favors on mankind.

Regarding verse John (17:24) which says that God gave His glory to Jesus is modified and false because it contradicts Isaiah (42:8) which says God does not give His glory to no other. The meaning of “no other” is to NONE including Jesus and Mohamed and the greatest angels. 

•   John (17:24) “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

My advice to your friend and other Muslims who are leaving Islam because today Muslims are weak is to read the following verses from Quran and Isaiah. God said in Isaiah that He will deliver the Book to the illiterate man. Then God continued and said that He will destroy the people with many miracles because we will be worshipping Him in our mouths and lips, not in our hearts. So, please tell your friends who are leaving Islam and all Muslims to go back to the Book of Allah Quran and you will see the satisfactory results from God. According to Quran, Prophet Mohamed was illiterate.

•   Quran (7:157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

•   Isaiah (29:12-14) Then the book shall be delivered to him who is not learned, saying, “Read this, please.” And he shall say, “I cannot read.” 13 Therefore, the Lord said: Because this people draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is tradition by the precept of men, 14 therefore I will once again do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden.

I hope this answers your questions, but if you still have more questions, please feel free to ask.

Regards,

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2022, 08:25:37 AM »
, say to me one of his reason converted are isaiah 35:4-6 which for him announced the coming of jesus in God on earth and say it also connects with Matthew 11:3-6
She speak also about deuteronomy 13:1-5 say this is relate to prophet Muhammad(sws).

Do bear mind that during the period of verse Isaiah 35:4-6 the gods of Christianity were of three old looking men. Jesus at that time was known as Logos the God.

Then the Christian accepted that for the story told in Matthew 11:3-6, the old looking Logos the God decided to become human flesh and being son to the to other counterpart God.

Its interesting to note in the story, that God the Father sent prophecies to prophet John the Baptist at passage Matthew 11:13. But kept hiding some details and uncertainty.

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2022, 12:01:18 AM »
Peace be upon you,

Christians misunderstand the meaning of these two verses:

1.   (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2.   (John 1:14) The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The meaning of “Word” as in “in the beginning was the Word” is God’s command, and “the Word became flesh” is God’s command has become flesh, that is, Jesus. When God commands anything, He just says to it be and it becomes. Well, the Bible is the word of God. Does this mean that the Bible is god? No, this means that the Bible is God’s command.

In a different word, you can say that (John 1:1) In the beginning was the command/will of God, and the command/will of God was with Him "God", and the command/will of God was God. (John 1:14) The command of God became flesh and made his dwelling among us...

Well, in the Quran, angels told Mary that God is giving you the tidings of a “word” from Him whose name is Jesus. The meaning of “word” is the will of God.

•   Quran (3:45) [And mention] when the angels said, O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].

Then Mary said to the angels, how I would give birth to a child when no man had sex with me? The angels replied, this is God’s commandment, when He decrees a thing, He just says “Be” and “it becomes”.

•   Quran (3:47) She said, “My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?” [The angel] said, “Such is Allah; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2022, 04:21:15 AM »
Thanks you very much for your response.
But he say God give glory to Jesus and not other one, thus prouve jesus as a god because in isaiah God say he giving his glory to no one.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2022, 12:01:59 PM »
Thanks you very much for your response.
But he say God give glory to Jesus and not other one, thus prouve jesus as a god because in isaiah God say he giving his glory to no one.


Isn't christianity a funny blasphemy.  So GOD Almighty gives glory to Jesus.  Jesus is nothing without GOD.  So where is trinity again?  And no, the christians' false interpretations of the OT and forcing their nonsense unto the vague verses is all false, especially when you have ample Burdens from GOD Almighty will be placed upon Arabia.  The same word Burden used for Prophets and the Righeous who carry the heavy burdens of Allah Almighty:

www.answering-christianity.com/goddess_asherah_pornography_return_of_messiah_damascus.htm  (Arabian's future burdens in the OT)
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm


Christianity is a religion of satan.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2022, 11:45:44 PM »
I am glad that your friend knows that God said in Isaiah that He gives His glory to no other. Then he said that the Bible says that God gave His Glory to Jesus. This is ample evidence that the Bible is modified. Let me give you a practical example, if I say, I will not give my money to anyone, then someone claims that I gave him my money, then this person is a liar because I said that I will not give my money to anyone. It's the same when God says that He does not give His glory to anyone, then the Bible says that God gave him glory to Jesus, then this is obvious that the Bible is not telling the truth. I can support you with many verses from the Bible that Jesus is nothing, he is only a man like me and you but Christians don't want to wake up.

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Re: Urgent response on biblics verset
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2022, 01:23:56 AM »
Salamo alikum,

Ezekiel says that no one will bear anyone’s sins. Each person is responsible for his/her actions. Then when the Bible says that Jesus will bear our sins, we can immediately determine that the Bible is corrupted because Jesus clearly testified that he did not come to destroy (change) the law but to fulfill it.

      •   Matthew (5:17) Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

•   Ezekiel (18:20) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous
        shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Then Ezekiel said that your good deeds will erase your sins, and that’s exactly what Quran says.

•   Ezekiel (18:22) None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall
        live.

 

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