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Who here celebrates Mawlid?
It is completely wrong to celebrate it. I will update this later, maybe tomorrow, anyway who celebrates it?
This is my update that I said i'd do. Here it is:
Learn about the history of birthdays, they have roots from paganism. Innovating such crap into Islam, especially when it's about the Prophet Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam is so bad.
Here's why mawlid should not be celebrated:
None of the sahabas, the people who knew Islam much better then we do today, did not celebrate it, neither did the Prophet Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam, neither did the 4 Madhabs, neither did the upcoming generation(s).
Our Prophet Salallu Aleyhi Wasalaam once came to Medina and saw people celebrating, so he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam questioned them what they were doing, and they said we are celebrating what our forefathers did (Or something along those lines), and he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam said, you have both eids to celebrate, and ONLY both eids, nothing else, this is clear that we should ONLY celebrate both eids, no Christmas, no birthdays, no chinese new year, Infact he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam said anyone our ummah will begin to celebrate things of people who came before i.e Christians and they will be raised amongst them on the day of qiyamah!
"The best word is the Book of Allâh and the best way is that of Muhammad ( !). The worst deed is innovation and each innovation is a deviation from Islaam." [Sahih Muslim: (vol. 2, p. 410, no. 1885).] "Every deviation from Islaam leads to Hell-fire". [Sunan Nasa'i: English Translation: (vol. 2, pp. 343-4, no. 1581.)]
So from here we can come to the conclusion, that if anyone innovates crap into islam like that, they better be ready to speak up on the day of Qiyamah.
This is all emphasised by Prophet (Salalahu Aleyhi Wasalaams) well known statement "I didn't leave anything which would bring you closer to Allah without instructing you to do it".
The Prophet (PBUH) stated repeatdly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire."
Research about the history of Mawlid and how it began then you can speak for yourself, it began with the Shiites and then was slowly abandoned but picked up in the 7th century (on the islamic calender) by a King and re-established with Suufis, The ignorant, on the top of the list, the sufis who were already obsessed with the christian way of life, with the christian moasticism, the christian Aestheticism.
As for diving into sects in Islam, it is CLEARLY HARAM, here is evidence from the Qur'an:
“As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.†[Al-Qur’an 6:159]
The You in that ayaat ('You have no part in them in the least'), has been said to be Prophet Muhammad Salallu Aleyhi Wasalaam.
So from all this, we can come to the conclusion that, MAWLID SHOULD NOT BE CELEBRATED.
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Who here celebrates Mawlid?
It is completely wrong to celebrate it. I will update this later, maybe tomorrow, anyway who celebrates it?
How do we know what's right and what's wrong?
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As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
It is an innovation in religion and every innovation, as the Holy Prophet of Allah (may Almigthy Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) said, is rejected by Muslims and is in Hell. That's why Sunni's detest sects like Shiism, Sufiism, etc.
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As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
It is an innovation in religion and every innovation, as the Holy Prophet of Allah (may Almigthy Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) said, is rejected by Muslims and is in Hell. That's why Sunni's detest sects like Shiism, Sufiism, etc.
I don't see anything wrong about showing love for the prophet. As for detesting sects, that's another problem: dividing of Muslims.
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There's nothing wrong in loving the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace). On the contrary, he (SAW) said that your faith will be complete when you love him (SAW) more than all other people. The innovation is to make these occasions, even if thry were religious gatherings. Prophet Muhammad's (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) family and friends loved him more than any of us and all of us do, but they did such absurd things to prove their love to him. Of course, nobody's saying it's wrong to send your prayers on him in abundance that day, but the thing is many people make occasions like gatherings to read the Glorious Qur'an and what not. Yes, it might be a good thing to do, but it is a Bid`a (innovation) and we must keep away from them as much as possible.
You see brother, when people switch the perfect teachings of Islam that were ordained by Almighty Allah and His Noble Messengers (may Almighty Allah bless them and grant them peace) by their own ideas, you cannot legitimately call them Muslims. Islam (nowadays regarded as Sunni Islam) is the perfect, unchanged form of Islam.
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There's nothing wrong in loving the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace). On the contrary, he (SAW) said that your faith will be complete when you love him (SAW) more than all other people. The innovation is to make these occasions, even if thry were religious gatherings. Prophet Muhammad's (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) family and friends loved him more than any of us and all of us do, but they did such absurd things to prove their love to him. Of course, nobody's saying it's wrong to send your prayers on him in abundance that day, but the thing is many people make occasions like gatherings to read the Glorious Qur'an and what not. Yes, it might be a good thing to do, but it is a Bid`a (innovation) and we must keep away from them as much as possible.
You see brother, when people switch the perfect teachings of Islam that were ordained by Almighty Allah and His Noble Messengers (may Almighty Allah bless them and grant them peace) by their own ideas, you cannot legitimately call them Muslims. Islam (nowadays regarded as Sunni Islam) is the perfect, unchanged form of Islam.
Correction: True Islam is the Qur'an and cherry-picked hadith. I know it sounds rude but it's true.
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There's nothing wrong in loving the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace). On the contrary, he (SAW) said that your faith will be complete when you love him (SAW) more than all other people. The innovation is to make these occasions, even if thry were religious gatherings. Prophet Muhammad's (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) family and friends loved him more than any of us and all of us do, but they did such absurd things to prove their love to him. Of course, nobody's saying it's wrong to send your prayers on him in abundance that day, but the thing is many people make occasions like gatherings to read the Glorious Qur'an and what not. Yes, it might be a good thing to do, but it is a Bid`a (innovation) and we must keep away from them as much as possible.
You see brother, when people switch the perfect teachings of Islam that were ordained by Almighty Allah and His Noble Messengers (may Almighty Allah bless them and grant them peace) by their own ideas, you cannot legitimately call them Muslims. Islam (nowadays regarded as Sunni Islam) is the perfect, unchanged form of Islam.
Correction: True Islam is the Qur'an and cherry-picked hadith. I know it sounds rude but it's true.
What are you talking about?
Learn about the history of birthdays, they have roots from paganism. Innovating such crap into Islam, especially when it's about the Prophet Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam is so bad.
Here's why mawlid should not be celebrated:
None of the sahabas, the people who knew Islam much better then we do today, did not celebrate it, neither did the Prophet Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam, neither did the 4 Madhabs, neither did the upcoming generation(s).
Our Prophet Salallu Aleyhi Wasalaam once came to Medina and saw people celebrating, so he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam questioned them what they were doing, and they said we are celebrating what our forefathers did (Or something along those lines), and he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam said, you have both eids to celebrate, and ONLY both eids, nothing else, this is clear that we should ONLY celebrate both eids, no Christmas, no birthdays, no chinese new year, Infact he Salallahu Aleyhi Wasalaam said anyone our ummah will begin to celebrate things of people who came before i.e Christians and they will be raised amongst them on the day of qiyamah!
"The best word is the Book of Allâh and the best way is that of Muhammad ( !). The worst deed is innovation and each innovation is a deviation from Islaam." [Sahih Muslim: (vol. 2, p. 410, no. 1885).] "Every deviation from Islaam leads to Hell-fire". [Sunan Nasa'i: English Translation: (vol. 2, pp. 343-4, no. 1581.)]
So from here we can come to the conclusion, that if anyone innovates crap into islam like that, they better be ready to speak up on the day of Qiyamah.
This is all emphasised by Prophet (Salalahu Aleyhi Wasalaams) well known statement "I didn't leave anything which would bring you closer to Allah without instructing you to do it".
The Prophet (PBUH) stated repeatdly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire."
Research about the history of Mawlid and how it began then you can speak for yourself, it began with the Shiites and then was slowly abandoned but picked up in the 7th century (on the islamic calender) by a King and re-established with Suufis, The ignorant, on the top of the list, the sufis who were already obsessed with the christian way of life, with the christian moasticism, the christian Aestheticism.
As for diving into sects in Islam, it is CLEARLY HARAM, here is evidence from the Qur'an:
“As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.†[Al-Qur’an 6:159]
The You in that ayaat ('You have no part in them in the least'), has been said to be Prophet Muhammad Salallu Aleyhi Wasalaam.
So from all this, we can come to the conclusion that, MAWLID SHOULD NOT BE CELEBRATED.
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Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim cherry-picked their Ahadith.
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I celebrate my brothday but i never claim its religious. I also dont celebrate the Prophet's PBUH birthday.
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i believe that religious celebrations should only be the two eids. but secular celebrations, such as national day could be celebrated since its not an innovation of religion. as for mawlid, i personally don't celebrate it. as for sufis, they are deeply religious folk, you cannot accuse them of being obsessed with a christian way of life (you can accuse them of other things though). they are Aesthetics, but isnt that a good thing, to live a simple, religious life.
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i believe that religious celebrations should only be the two eids. but secular celebrations, such as national day could be celebrated since its not an innovation of religion. as for mawlid, i personally don't celebrate it. as for sufis, they are deeply religious folk, you cannot accuse them of being obsessed with a christian way of life (you can accuse them of other things though). they are Aesthetics, but isnt that a good thing, to live a simple, religious life.
Sufi-ism has been hijacked.
Also, about Bukhari and Muslim 'cherry picking', please don't be ignorant. The chains of narrations etc were done to ensure that ahadith were reliable and trustworthy, i'm sorry if I offended you for celebrating 'Mawlid', but sorry, go do research.
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If you were refering to me, my previous comment says that I DONT celebrate mawlid.
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Adnaan you didnt fully understand Ramzi's comment. Cherry-picking is where you choose the good out of the bad. They cherry picked by picking the good (authentic) out of the bad (fabricated).
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don't celebrate your own b'day either ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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But your own birthday is not a religious celebration, isn't it ;)
peace
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But your own birthday is not a religious celebration, isn't it ;)
peace
I was referring to Ramzi about the cherry picking, and mawlid, (dunno if he celebrates it).
And actually, celebrating your own birthday is still a celebration, whether it's religious or not, it roots back to a paganism concept, birthday celebrations started within paganism, it's forbidden.
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Only God knows
I believe, personally that it is not a sin to celebrate secular celebrations such as national day or birthdays. However, you cannot celebrate any religious celebration other than the 2 eids, this is my view.
I could be wrong i could be right, only God knows and may he praise me if im right, and forgive me if im wrong.
Peace
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But your own birthday is not a religious celebration, isn't it ;)
peace
It is if you go far back enough.
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i mean in islam
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Only God knows
I believe, personally that it is not a sin to celebrate secular celebrations such as national day or birthdays. However, you cannot celebrate any religious celebration other than the 2 eids, this is my view.
I could be wrong i could be right, only God knows and may he praise me if im right, and forgive me if im wrong.
Peace
Brother, I have nothing against you, but read what i'm going to post below carefully.
Just because you are innovating into Islam directly, does not mean you can celebrate it. When Prophet (Sallallu Aleyhi Wasalaam) entered medina, he found people celebrating, so he asked them what they were doing, they said they were celebrating what there forefathers were doing or something along those lines, Our Prophet (Sallalu Aleyhi Wasalaam) replied that they should ONLY celebrate the 2 eids, NOTHING else, this is clear as it is.
Infact, our Prophet (Sallalu Aleyhi Wasalaam)said some people among will celebrate days of which the people who came before would do (For example. Christians, Pagans, etc) so that includes Valentines day, birthdays, Christmas etc and on the day of judgement they will be raised up with them! May Allah protect us from this, as we all want to be raised up with the believers.
That's like me saying I will pray 5 times a day, fast during ramadhan, etc but I will also celebrate Christmas but don't' worry I won't include it in Islam, no, it doesn't work like that.
Christmas, Birthdays, Valentines day, New years, ALL HARAM to celebrate.
Do you get the point I'm making? Quit following your desires, and follow pure Islam.
And saying 'Only God knows' is not an excuse, I can say the same for many things, but if it is clear you have to avoid it.
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please provide the hadith references.
in fact, when the prophet enterend medianh didnt the people started singing and welcoming him by celebrating his arrival, he did NOTHING to stop them.
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If you are refering to Abu Dawood (1134) it doesnt confide you to ONLY those two celebrations, i believe muslims are allowed to celebrate days like national day, etc.\peace