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« on: July 16, 2017, 11:37:30 AM »
Your comment is giving the impression that Palestinian Muslims should cause as much Israeli bloodshed as possible, whether they are innocent or not.

If a Christian were to say "I really want that every American Christian should kill at least 1000s of Iraqis", what would your impressions be? Does the first thought that naturally comes to your mind is that he is talking about killing Daesh members or ordinary Muslims?

« on: July 16, 2017, 03:28:48 AM »
I really want that every Palestinian Muslim should go for martyrdom after killing at least 1000s of israeliees.
Maybe you want to rephrase or, better yet, change that sentence?

Regarding discussions/criticisms of Hadith, most of the times there is always some Muslim who has already done some work on them and published it online. You can use some custom Google search engines limited to Islam-related websites to more easily research such topics: -


A criticism of the explanation regarding these Qur'an verses by the early commentators:

We don't know when and to which city these "messengers" were sent. There is no reliable evidence that mentions these "messengers" to have come after the birth of Jesus.


« on: June 27, 2017, 04:38:53 AM »
I haven't seen the video, so I can only deal with the points you mentioned.

In cases like these, words such as "stealing" or "plagiarising" are often used by Islam critics. Usually, such usage is incredibly fallacious. Anything that the Prophet did and as soon as it is found to have also been done by a previous people, shouts of "stolen" start resonating.

According to some narrations on the matter, the "Ashura fasts" were observed following the practice of the jews.
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
When the Prophet (ﷺ) arrived at Medina, the Jews were observing the fast on 'Ashura' (10th of Muharram) and they said, "This is the day when Moses became victorious over Pharaoh," On that, the Prophet (ﷺ) said to his companions, "You (Muslims) have more right to celebrate Moses' victory than they have, so observe the fast on this day."

There does not appear to be anything wrong here.

As far as I know, the Qur'an never promises heaven for people who associate partners with Allah. The term "Sabean" was used for a variety of people, some of them believed in Allah, while some had polytheistic beliefs.

The word saabi’ (Sabian) is derived from the verb saba’a which refers to the action of leaving one religion and entering another.

Regarding Ramadan, we know from the Qur'an that this practice was enjoined on previous nations by Allah. Additionally regarding the Salaat, from Hadeeth and Jewish/Christian scriptures we find evidence that previous prophets and nations also performed similar prayers (with prostrations etc.). Some scholars even go to the extent of arguing that the previous prayers and the Muslim prayers are almost identical. In either of these cases, these practices being also enjoined on the Muslims shouldn't be an issue.

The arguments appear to have been taken from Robert Morey's work to which detailed counter-arguments are made here:

Three part article:
Probably more technical article:

Additionally, you can also use some custom Google search engines limited to Islam-related websites to more easily research such topics: -


GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: clarification on hadith
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:12:42 AM »

As far as I know, this was just a simple, curious question; not having some nefarious underlying meaning. Nowadays, this event gets used out of context or to fallaciously support bad arguments.

From other narrations we find a few more details regarding the event:
Narrated Jabir:
My father died and left behind seven or nine daughters, and I married a woman. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Did you get married, O Jabir?" I replied, "Yes." He asked, "Is she a virgin or a matron?" I replied, "She is a matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a virgin girl so that you might play with her and she with you (or, you might make her laugh and she make you laugh)?" I said, "My father died, leaving seven or nine girls (orphans) and I did not like to bring a young girl like them, so I married a woman who can look after them." He said, "May Allah bestow His Blessing on you."
The somewhat important addition being that the Prophet supplicated for Jabir.

You can read other narrations regarding the same event here:

First of all what makes you think the people on these polls are "atheists" or "pervert atheists" at that?

Regarding prostitution, people from the West have different values, different concepts of morality, different social goals. Their ideologies might be wrong but they cannot be expected to start calling it wrong just because some religion they don't even believe in says so.

If they are provided with strong arguments against an activity only then should they be expected to give it up.

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Just look at these idiots.
« on: June 22, 2017, 03:34:02 PM »
This idiot in the article said when he ate bacon for the first time, he said,''I not going back''. I hope insha allah that he gets worms in his stomach.

I apologise but statements like these make Muslims appear petty and childish. A better approach might have been to show gentleness and pray that a lost person seeks and receives guidance.

For your needs, you definitely should not waste your time on creating and then maintaining a forum. For your articles you can use:

1. As mentioned earlier, - The easiest and most straightforward option

2. Probably the most aesthetically pleasing


Unless you are a Computer Science major, this will require months (if not years) of hard work, long before which you are likely to lose interest and give up.

One option would be to use the open sourced free forum software (like the one used on this website) and host debates there. For a list of them see, You will still need to spend much time in moderating and maintaining the website.

The easiest and probably better option would be to use and let them host your debates for you, without having to do any of the laborious technical work.

Additionally, one of the most significant things to consider while making a website is its popularity. If you are not popular enough to get people to come to you on, it will be unlikely that they will come to your website either, in which case your hard work wouldn't pay off.

While remains offline, for the time being, you can make use of to search most of the online Muslim websites where refutations to such allegations are often times already been published.

« on: June 12, 2017, 01:24:19 AM »
This is not evidence, it is merely your conjecture and opinion. Just because I demand evidence, before blindly believing something someone on the internet says, does not mean I am defending some group - which happens to be another allegation you have made without providing any evidence.

Other than the things mentioned before, another thing Islam teaches is to not make allegations without evidence. Someone can argue that you are quoting Islam in a partial manner; when there is something which supports your opinion you accept it and when it negatively applies to you personally, you might not have found issue with ignoring it.

- "Are Daesh supporters following the Quran? Are they following the hadiths?"

They think they are, or they are following those who manipulate them into believing that they are.

- "Does the Quran forbids killing innocent people? Is there any hadith that allows Muslims to kill innocent people? "

They do not believe their victims to be "innocent".

Tell me, when a Muslim murders, robs, kidnaps, assaults, blackmails or defrauds another person what is your first thought? Is it that, that Muslim must have been paid by some malicious anti-Islamist, atheistic, devil worshipping, entities whose sole purpose in the world is to end the light and righteousness of Islam? I doubt it.

Why is it so difficult to believe that Muslims don't need anyone paying them to kill and maim others? Why is it difficult to believe that Muslims on their own, without any help from any external forces, can be incredibly horrible people too?

Furthermore, while it may be true that the methodology applied by Daesh in pursuit of their objectives is difficult to defend from an Islamic point-of-view, at the same time, it is also difficult to deny that those same objectives parallel the goals of at least some mainstream Muslim scholars. Do you think apostates and blasphemers come under the category of "innocents", a lot of Muslims, although critics of Daesh but similar to Daesh, don't believe so and argue that they should be killed. There are also scholars who believe in the concept of a Global Caliphate and not letting any non-Muslim government to rule, which is purportedly the main objective of Daesh.

Muslims can either continue to believe that they are some special righteous people who are incapable of performing horrible acts (even though they did murder two of the Prophet's successors and his grandson along with his family) and that the real culprits are always some veiled non-Muslims dastardly manipulating events and their outcomes; or they can as a whole accept the high responsibility that Islam puts on them and comprehensively deal, instead of ignoring, the circumstances and faults that allow their religion to be used as justification for these unfortunate incidents.

"Theistic evolution" is the concept that belief in theism and evolution do not necessarily have to contradict each other. It involves the arguments that religious scripture does not deny the theory of evolution (or at least some interpretations of it).

Regarding evolution in case you haven't come across these explanations (which incidentally are arguments related to a limited extent to theistic evolution):

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