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Offline AMuslimDude213

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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2017, 01:56:10 PM »
How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.

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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2017, 03:28:00 PM »
How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.

Well, you should say this to Atheists, what you say isn't actually a real evidence, give me some examples about how evolution and natural selection proves that we needs a Creator, otherwise i'll wait for other members to answer. I do believe in God, but the problem is that Atheists always claim that Evolution contradicts Intelligent design and suggests that we do not need a Creator. I'm looking forward to your answer.

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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2017, 04:40:01 PM »
How does an evolution or natural selection disprove a designed? It Infact proves a designer because for this to happen is one out of a million,so mathematically,a creator needs to be there for a natural selection or a Evolution.

Well, you should say this to Atheists, what you say isn't actually a real evidence, give me some examples about how evolution and natural selection proves that we needs a Creator, otherwise i'll wait for other members to answer. I do believe in God, but the problem is that Atheists always claim that Evolution contradicts Intelligent design and suggests that we do not need a Creator. I'm looking forward to your answer.
Assalam alaikum

Atheists claim:
1- A miracle happened (cell created itself..abiogenesis)...they don't believe in miracles  ;)

2- This cell divided it self (we will bypass this too).

3- That divisions keep creating all creation over millions of years.

4- The "scientific" experiment should be "observable".

5 - No one observed their claim.

6- The claim is merely speculation based on similar DNA and anatomy.

7- This similarity is easily explained to us because our maker/Creator is the same ONE mighty God.

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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 08:03:04 AM »
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Assalam alaikum

Atheists claim:
1- A miracle happened (cell created itself..abiogenesis)...they don't believe in miracles  ;)

2- This cell divided it self (we will bypass this too).

3- That divisions keep creating all creation over millions of years.

4- The "scientific" experiment should be "observable".

5 - No one observed their claim.

6- The claim is merely speculation based on similar DNA and anatomy.

7- This similarity is easily explained to us because our maker/Creator is the same ONE mighty God.

Well,

1-Abiogenesis isn't proven, it's just a hypothesis, this hypothesis says that living things came from non-living things, which is ridiculous to believe, also i agree that many atheists believe in that thing

2-Umm....Can you give me an example? Did the first cell divide itself by accident? or how did it?

3-Well, what's wrong with that? Could you please make it more clear?

4-Well?

5-Not clear, i want an example

6-Not clear, i want an example

7-Not clear too, please give me an examples like how this living organism wouldn't be able to by accident, something like these examples

8-May i ask you a question? How much did you study evolution? How good are you in understanding it?

9-After responding to my questions, Could you please show how scientific evolution proves God

Sorry again for being annoying, i am just trying to learn, another thing, my dream is to become a prominent Muslim scholar and a famous scientist :), that's why i keep asking these consecutive questions.

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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2017, 05:42:14 PM »
The truth is that everything was created = Life/Ruh was given from Allah to them. He created cells and every great creatures.

Allah said in surat alkahf, i didn't make them witness the creation of earth, heavens or even themselves, so making theories and speculations about HOW they are created will not change the fact that He created them. They tried to convince their follower that life was originated by coincidence, but that's funny too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvFfMLp3gs

The Fallacious Argument:

    Evolutionists base the evolutionary tree of life (or, ‘phylogenies’) on the similarities found in animals. In other words, if two animals are similar, it is assumed they are closely related in the evolutionary scale. But for evolutionists to turn around and claim these same similarities ‘prove’ evolution is fallacious.
    This line of reasoning also commits the fallacy of Affirming the Consequent. Here’s why. Evolutionists claim: "If evolution is true, we would expect to see similarities in organisms. We do see similarities. Therefore, evolution is true."

This conclusion may not be true — there are other explanations for similarities in organisms, such as a common designer. To escape their argument being labelled as a fallacy, evolutionists might substitute the
conclusion "therefore, evolution is true" with "therefore, evolution is probably true". But this is also fallacious. We could say: "If the moon is made of Swiss cheese, it will have large depressions. The moon has large depressions. Therefore, the moon is probably made of Swiss cheese." Adding ‘probably’ to the conclusion does not change it from being fallacious as it still commits the fallacy of Hasty generalization.

It is surely natural for the human body to bear some molecular similarities to other living beings, because they all are made up of the same molecules, they all use the same water and atmosphere, and they all consume foods consisting of the same molecules. Certainly, their metabolisms, and therefore their genetic make-ups, would resemble one another. This, however, is not evidence that they evolved from a common ancestor.
This "common material" is the result not of evolution but of "common design," that is, of their being created upon the same plan.
You can read "Harun Yahya" books. They may be translated to your language. Not 100% accurate, but will help you to understand the irrationality of atheists and their arguments. Whenever you have a question, please ask.


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Re: A question about Evolution and Intelligent Design
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2017, 06:40:03 PM »
The truth is that everything was created = Life/Ruh was given from Allah to them. He created cells and every great creatures.

Allah said in surat alkahf, i didn't make them witness the creation of earth, heavens or even themselves, so making theories and speculations about HOW they are created will not change the fact that He created them. They tried to convince their follower that life was originated by coincidence, but that's funny too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvFfMLp3gs

The Fallacious Argument:

    Evolutionists base the evolutionary tree of life (or, ‘phylogenies’) on the similarities found in animals. In other words, if two animals are similar, it is assumed they are closely related in the evolutionary scale. But for evolutionists to turn around and claim these same similarities ‘prove’ evolution is fallacious.
    This line of reasoning also commits the fallacy of Affirming the Consequent. Here’s why. Evolutionists claim: "If evolution is true, we would expect to see similarities in organisms. We do see similarities. Therefore, evolution is true."

This conclusion may not be true — there are other explanations for similarities in organisms, such as a common designer. To escape their argument being labelled as a fallacy, evolutionists might substitute the
conclusion "therefore, evolution is true" with "therefore, evolution is probably true". But this is also fallacious. We could say: "If the moon is made of Swiss cheese, it will have large depressions. The moon has large depressions. Therefore, the moon is probably made of Swiss cheese." Adding ‘probably’ to the conclusion does not change it from being fallacious as it still commits the fallacy of Hasty generalization.

It is surely natural for the human body to bear some molecular similarities to other living beings, because they all are made up of the same molecules, they all use the same water and atmosphere, and they all consume foods consisting of the same molecules. Certainly, their metabolisms, and therefore their genetic make-ups, would resemble one another. This, however, is not evidence that they evolved from a common ancestor.
This "common material" is the result not of evolution but of "common design," that is, of their being created upon the same plan.
You can read "Harun Yahya" books. They may be translated to your language. Not 100% accurate, but will help you to understand the irrationality of atheists and their arguments. Whenever you have a question, please ask.

Well, thanks for your efforts, i hear what you are saying, but i don't think that you gave me a clear answer. You're saying that the claim that "we evolved from a common ancestor. Well, as far as i know scientific evolution also  says that, plus that similarities between living organism is not an evidence for God, also evolution has so much evidence, what you have mentioned isn't the only evidence for evolution, you gave me many answers, having said that, they are not clear. Anyway i'll just read Harun yahya's books. I think that they will give a pure clear answer, so actually you do not need to respond back. And in conclusion thanks for giving me your time!

 

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