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Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) was the Messiah predicted in OT and anticipated by jews
Egyptian:
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on February 22, 2014, 03:26:45 PM ---
WHAT DOES NEW TESTAMENT SAYS ABOUT MESSIAH?
Jesus himself denies that he was the MESSIAH who was predicted in the Tanakh or Old Testament.
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Correction:
Jesus himself AFFIRMED that he was the MESSIAH who was predicted in the Tanakh or Old Testament.
eg; Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter said, “You’re the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus came back, “God bless you, Simon, son of Jonah! You didn’t get that answer out of books or from teachers. My Father in heaven, God himself, let you in on this secret of who I really am.
Mark 14:60-61 In the middle of this, the Chief Priest stood up and asked Jesus, “What do you have to say to the accusation?” Jesus was silent. He said nothing.The Chief Priest tried again, this time asking, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed?”62 Jesus said, “Yes, I am, and you’ll see it yourself.
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on February 22, 2014, 03:26:45 PM --- KING DAVID CALLS HIM MY LORD. COMMENT :- Jesus himself rejected indirectly that he was the messiah Mt 22:41
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1-There is no rejection at all ,and the original passage not only not about the messiah but the story of the new testament itself is a fabricated one ,manufactured by the writer to make a theological point"that the messiah is more than a human"...
check the wonderful academic criticism of it ,in my study here
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,71.msg886.html#msg886
anyway even ,for the sake of argument,Jesus affirms himself in the passage as not being the predicted messiah,he affirmed "as previously mentioned" himself as the messiah,which suggests clear contradiction "I don't think so"...
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on February 22, 2014, 03:26:45 PM ---And Making his enemies as his footstool means that he will destroy his enemies unlike Jesus who was destroyed by his own enemies.Prophet Mohammed pbuh was a warrior who destroyed his enemies
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here we play the double standards , If you are a Muslim who believe that Mohamed pbuh wasn't destroyed by his enemies then you have to believe that Jesus pbuh wasn't destroyed by his enemies as well ,isn't it?!!
To be continued
Egyptian:
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on February 22, 2014, 03:26:45 PM ---
ELIJAH WILL PRECEED THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH
COMMENT : -Mt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then say the scribes that Elijah must first come?”11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, “Elijah truly shall first come and restore all things.12 But I say unto you that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they pleased. Likewise shall also the Son of Man suffer by them.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke unto them of John the Baptist.
Similarities between Jesus and Elijah-............................
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I think you try to prove that Jesus could be Elijah ...and as he preceded Mohamed pbuh,then Mohamed could be the messiah.....
you made the same mistake,the zealous writers of the new testament did,when they substituted Elijah with John the baptist,merely for some so called similarities between both !!!!
--- Quote from: messianicjewishtruth.com/Elijah --- Elijah holds a unique place in Judaism, as Elijah never actually died in the Bible. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah is brought to Heaven in a chariot of fire, after which Elisha takes over as the primary prophet for the Jewish people. However, Elijah will return, and his return will be quite special. In Malachi 3:23-24, we read that Elijah will return at the time of the Messiah:"23: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the L-RD.24: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the land with utter destruction."
So, we learn from the Book of Malachi that Elijah will herald the coming of the Messiah. Now, many in the Messianic "Jewish" movement adhere to the Christian belief that John was Elijah, as Jesus claimed that John the Baptist was Elijah in Matthew 11:13-14 and 17:10-13. However, John actually denied being Elijah in John 1:21. Most importantly, keep in mind what we learned in the Book of Kings. Elijah never actually died, yet we read of John's birth in the first chapter of Luke. So, John was born approximately at the time of Jesus, yet Elijah was born hundreds of years earlier and never died! Clearly, John cannot actually be Elijah. Luke 1:17 tries to get around this by claiming that John had the power and spirit of Elijah. However, we are again left with a basic problem; Malachi does not predict that someone with the "spirit of Elijah" will come, but that Elijah himself will come. Since Elijah did not come, and Elijah must herald the Messiah, Jesus cannot claim to be the Messiah.
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Neither John the baptist nor Jesus could be a fulfillment of the second coming of Elijah who was raised up to heaven alive and will come back alive before the coming of the messiah "according to the old testament itself"......
the fact that Elijah never came back before the mission of Jesus and mohamed pbuh , so they couldn't have been the promised king messiah.
To be continued...
Mohammed.Rashid:
Correction:
Jesus himself AFFIRMED that he was the MESSIAH who was predicted in the Tanakh or Old Testament.
eg; Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter said, “You’re the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus came back, “God bless you, Simon, son of Jonah! You didn’t get that answer out of books or from teachers. My Father in heaven, God himself, let you in on this secret of who I really am.
Mark 14:60-61 In the middle of this, the Chief Priest stood up and asked Jesus, “What do you have to say to the accusation?” Jesus was silent. He said nothing.The Chief Priest tried again, this time asking, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed?”62 Jesus said, “Yes, I am, and you’ll see it yourself.
MY REPLY - AS I Had mentioned earlier - Messiah is not the unique term understand this first. The messiah they expecting was an unique prophet who will come and relieve the WORLD from it's misery but they denied him when they expectation that he will make THEM (i.e., jews) the rulers of the world according to talmud and mis-interpretation of certain verses of bible was not proven to be true. Also, In mt 16:16 - Jesus never said that I am the messiah. As for Mark 14:60-61 be careful - as u r accusing him of accepting the fact that he was the the son of god is also true and correct.
THE JEWS TO THIS DAY BELIEVE THAT MESSIAH WILL NEVER CLAIM TO BE ONE. HE WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY HIS FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECIES WHICH HE IS EXPECTED TO FULFILL. HENCE, EVEN IF JESUS IN THE BIBLE CLAIMS TO BE ONE- HE STILL FAILS.
I am sure u had not read the entire article where I had proven that even the quran says that he was the one about whom the scholars of the judaism and christianity awaited and found him mentioned in their own scriptures.
Leave others - Abdullah ibn salam the ex-jewish sahabi - i hope u have heard and read about him.
Its good to see that somebody atleast replied but Be careful - u might be on the verge of contradicting the verses of Quran just to prove ur theory to be correct.
I DIDN'T INTENDED TO STROKE MY EGO BY WRITING THIS ARTICLE. IF ONLY CHRISTIANS WOULD HAVE KNOWN MORE ABOUT THE TERM MESSIAH OR CHRIST BETTER. THEIR RELIGION WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED OR THEY MIGHT HAVE CONVERTED TO ISLAM. MOHAMMED (PBUH) WAS THE THE ONLY PROPHET SENT UNTO ALL BEINGS (C 21:107) WHICH JESUS (PBUH) WASN'T (Quran 5:72 & MT 15:24) AND HE HIMSELF PREDICTED OF HIS COMING - THIS IS SOMETHING WHICH THEIR OWN BOOKS TESTIFY- AND OUR'S TOO - (John 14:16 & Quran 61:6)
FINALLY ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST
MRK
Egyptian:
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM ---
I DIDN'T INTENDED TO STROKE MY EGO BY WRITING THIS ARTICLE.
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I'm sure brother the good intentions behind ur article.... and I don't intend my reply to you to be a negative criticism (the thing I hate most is muslim vs muslim debate),I have a good intention too by my comments.... it is to revise and strengthen the muslim arguments in comparative religion arena....
I myself used to receive some of criticism and revision to my arguments while engaging in discussions through the years ...and have modified many thoughts,refined my approach etc.....
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM ---AS I Had mentioned earlier - Messiah is not the unique term understand this first.
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I had replied to that ,they had waited a UNIQUE messiah king,not an ordinary prophet ....
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM --- Also, In mt 16:16 - Jesus never said that I am the messiah. As for Mark 14:60-61 be careful - as u
r accusing him of accepting the fact that he was the the son of god is also true and correct.
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well ,will you be satisfied ,if I provide you with textual support "according to the new testament" Jesus said he was the messiah,without saying son of God? here you are.....
John 4:25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.” [/quote]
but you know ? we both already committed grave error !!! we resort to proof text to prove whether Jesus wasn't the messiah or was he !!!
while the fact ,textual support is wholly without merit in the case of the messiah....
the fantastic things predicted about the messiah ,if fulfilled ,would be world wide recognized,and there wouldn't be any chance to be denied or controversial ,or any need for books to explain it,his fulfillment will be as clear as the sunlight!!!
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM ---I am sure u had not read the entire article
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sure I did and objectively.
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM --- I had proven that even the quran says that he was the one about whom the scholars of the judaism and christianity awaited and found him mentioned in their own scriptures.
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you have mixed the prophecy about prophet Mohamed peace be upon him "Deuteronomy 18:18" and those regarding the Davidic king messiah..... the prophet foretold is not one and the same the davidic king messiah..
--- Quote from: Mohammed.Rashid on March 05, 2014, 03:47:08 PM ---Leave others - Abdullah ibn salam the ex-jewish sahabi - i hope u have heard and read about him.
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No doubt ,Abdullah ibn salam believed that Mohamed (pbuh)was a true prophet from God,but who said that he believed in him as the davidic king messiah prophecised in the tankah? would you quote the man ,plz?
Next post ,I will conclude my comments by showing what the Tankah REALLY say about such so called fantastic messiah,and how the theory of Mohamed (pbuh) as the messiah will not only contradict the old testament but also contradict the Quran and sunnah themselves !!..
TO BE CONTINUED.
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,
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Osama Abdallah
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