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Title: What the heck is the book of revelation and why Christians use it 2 attack Islam
Post by: Isa27James on December 14, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Assalam alykam

christian use the mark of the beast as something evil


In Islam a beast comes out of the earth and marks believers and kuffar with mark


also in revelation it says you cant buy or sell unless you have the mark


and there is a hadith that says people will ask where did you get the camels from and it says from the people with the mark

Is there any link with the beast of the earth in Islam that marks us and the mark of the beast in revelation
Title: Re: What the heck is the book of revelation and why Christians use it 2 attack Islam
Post by: adilriaz123 on December 15, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
Asalam ul laykum brother, from what I gather about the mark of the beast refers to satan and anti-Christ. It is some Christians who like to play around with words and come up with conjectures that think that it talks about the same beast that is mentioned that will rise out of earth. Now, here are some verses from the bible I gather that are more clear in understanding of what the "beast" is, if you compare it with Quran. It is clear it is a prediction of the future coming of the anti-Christ.

Revelation 14:9-11 "And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” "

See how it says "forehead" and mentions that "He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in presence of the holy angels and in presence of the "Lamb"(referring to jesus pbuh)" this is a future prediction that are supported by quran that will happen that Dajjal(anti-Christ) will have a mark on his head which will say Kaffir and when jesus pbuh will come he will die.


Revelation 20:4 "Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."


this is about the golden age after dajjal dies. Remember Quran was sent to confirm and complete. Even though bible is not injel and gospel is not injel, there are some parts that still exist, however many parts might have a bit of truth but also contain conjectures that make them a bit hazy.
Title: Re: What the heck is the book of revelation and why Christians use it 2 attack Islam
Post by: adilriaz123 on December 15, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
Also more on this related topic refer to authentic hadith books: Shahih Bukhari, Shahih Muslim, Tarmidi and so on. Also becareful if you run into dubious hadiths on the internet or other areas, many enemies of islam try to come up with fake hadith to help their own rhetoric.
Title: Re: What the heck is the book of revelation and why Christians use it 2 attack Islam
Post by: submit on December 16, 2016, 09:05:39 AM
Book of revelation was authored pretty late by Hellenistic authors but still it was selected among other 26 Greek books as cannon during 4th century.

as for marking of the false messiah

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Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
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There is never a prophet who has not warned the Ummah of that one-eyed liar; behold he is one-eyed and your Lord is not one-eyed. On his forehead are the letters k f. r. (Kafir).