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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 10, 2021, 12:26:50 PM »
Let's discuss the others.  In regards to 33:52, even at the worst case scenario it doesn't qualify as an abrogation.  It is no more than an EXCEPTION and very limited to the Prophet that he can no longer marry women, when other Noble Verses allowed him and the Muslims to marry.  The reason I still insist there is no abrogation is because the Law still stands for the Muslims on whom they can marry from relatives and others.  The Noble Verse was to the Prophet, but the Law was a general one for all Muslim men on whom they can marry from their relatives and others.  The prohibition for the Prophet to marry more women came for reasons such as:

1-  The Prophet had more than four wives at the time Allah Almighty allowed polygamy but limited it to up to four wives only.

2-  The Prophet might've abused marriage and divorce and practiced Muta (temporary marriage).  This would've violated the sacredness of marriage and Allah Almighty might've punished him or limited him for that by prohibiting him from marrying and divorcing ever again.


Whatever the reason is (and I don't really care what it was), we do not have an abrogation here.  We have a limitation to the Prophet and an exceptional case that is limited to the Prophet only.  An abrogation is a Law to all Muslims abrogated by another contradicting one, which does not exist at all in the Glorious Quran.  For example, meat of swine (pig) is forbidden but then becomes allowed.  That would be a clear abrogation in this hypothetical example.

Let's talk about the other abrogations that the infidels and the ignorant from the Muslims bark on the Quran.  Watch how their lies get decimate here, insha'Allah.

Jazaka Allah Khayr,
Osama

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 04, 2021, 12:11:23 AM »
You're arguing too much over this point and it is becoming annoying.  I don't know the details of how the Noble Verse was executed during the Prophet's days, and I don't really care.  The Noble Verse above is crystal clear:  Any and all free women are forbidden upon the Prophet in marriage.  He could only interact with any slave woman he may have owned at the time.  And again and again, Allah Almighty Commanded all Muslims to end all forms of slavery in the Muslims' lands.  Let's move on to the next "abrogation" lie.



The gospel of porn, i.e., "bible" can't even decide on whether brothers can do their little sister or not.  It literally praises them for lusting over her and her "little" breasts, as they called her breasts:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links

Yet, this pornography is upheld while being part of the pile of dung, i.e., bible, as the Holy Word of GOD.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 03, 2021, 06:33:39 PM »
No abrogation.  33:50 defined the women that Muslim men can marry.  Yes, the Noble Verse here was for the Prophet, but the message was for all Muslims since this deals with marriage, and whom we can marry. 

The portion about a woman giving herself to the Prophet was never abrogated if she were to be a believing harem:

"It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over all things.  (The Noble Quran, 33:52)"


But again, Allah Almighty also commanded that all slavery must come to an end in the Muslims' lands.  See the Noble Verses in the previous posts.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 03, 2021, 05:21:17 PM »
So you're saying that the Verse that prohibits marrying women "after this" can apply to people who have 4 wives in modern day am I right? And why Allah talked to only the prophet in the quran is unknown?

Please confirm or fix what I'm saying.

No, it was only limited to the Prophet.  The Noble Verse is speaking in singular and directly to him:  LAKA (to you) is singular and is directly speaking to a single person and ignores everyone else around; to thee, and it is masculine.  If you direct LAKA to someone in a group, it would single him out.  The feminine form of LAKA is LAKI.  LAKUMA is a dual plural (dual plural even for two women).  LAKUM is a plural of three or more of either mixed gender or all men.  LAKUN is for three or more women.


I believe the prohibition for the Prophet from marrying more women and from divorcing and marrying women as a replacement is to prevent the Prophet from abusing marriage and divorce.  If the Prophet himself was practicing Muta, then this would've ended it dead in its track right there for him.  The sacredness of marriage is big in Islam, and the Covenant of Marriage in Islam is a SOLEMN ONE.  Mithaqan Ghaleetha ميثاقا غليظا (solemn covenant) was given three times in the Glorious Quran:

1-  To the solemn covenant between Allah Almighty and the Jews on the sacredness of the Sabbath.

2-  To the solemn covenant between Allah Almighty and the Prophets.

3-  To the solemn covenant between the husband and wife.

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 02, 2021, 08:17:28 PM »
An abrogation is when a general Law is permanently nullified by another.  This does not exist in the Glorious Quran.  Christianity's prohibition of polygamy, for example, would qualify as an abrogation in their lala world of buffoonery, even though Jesus never forbade it:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_problematic_hyperboles.htm

Because their religion is a religion of lies, it is filled with lies on GOD Almighty, and it has turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful.


If the Prophet was in a position where any further marriage became forbidden for him because he had more than four wives at the time Allah Almighty set that limit, then this is not an abrogation.  The Prophet's situation here is not a general Law for all Muslims and for all times and places.  The Law about a woman offering herself to the Prophet can still be applied for slave women.  Believing slaves owned by Muslims did exist back then.  She could still be his female harem.  But then again, one of Islam's Grand Goals is to end all slavery:

[090:012] And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is?
[090:013] (It is) the setting free of a slave,


So one of the monumental tasks upon the Muslims is to end all forms of slavery.  Yet, the Glorious Quran also allows enslaving, buying slaves, selling slaves, having harems (female slaves).  So is this a contradiction?  No.  Is this an abrogation (90:12-13 abrogating all other verses or vise versa)?  No.  All Noble Verses concerning slaves and slavery still stand TILL THIS DAY!  All 6236 Noble Verses that make up the entire Glorious Quran still stand today and will always stand till the Day of Judgment.  We have no abrogation here.  The Muslim State and Court and people must be mindful that Allah Almighty has set high and monumental goals in the Glorious Quran.  In the interim of things, however, the slavery Noble Verses could be activated and applied due to battles that may occur or deals and/or transactions.  But the ultimate goal must be to end all forms of slavery in all Muslim lands.

As to why the Noble Verses that are limited to the Prophet exist in the Glorious Quran, this belongs to Allah Almighty.  No one can really answer this one.  I can however remind you that the Glorious Quran's Text and number of verses is STUNNINGLY miraculous:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: June 02, 2021, 08:53:40 AM »
Sure.  Let us look at the Noble Verses in question:

[033:050]  O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any a believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[033:051]  Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and God knows (all) that is in your hearts: and God is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.

[033:052]  It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.



Two things we must keep in mind:

1-  The Glorious Quran's Verses came down in different times.  The ordering of the Noble Verses was done by Angel Gabriel and Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon them.  The Angel would instruct the Prophet where the new Noble Verse or verses be placed.

2-  Prophets had certain privileges.  Nothing contradicting to Allah Almighty's Moral Code, but Prophets had privileges.  Even in the Jewish religion, Prophets and priests had privileges, such as they are forbidden from marrying non-virgin Jewish women and any non-Jewish woman:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/muhammads_share.htm


So regarding Noble Verse 33:50, the women that were allowed for the Prophet were really nothing different from those allowed for Muslim men.  As to "...any believing woman who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to wed....", actually there is a mistranslation here.  The Noble Verse in Arabic says "...and a believing woman who has...."  There is no ANY.  Married women are forbidden to marry other men, and the Noble Verse does not give an absolute any.  The woman must be single, and not a MUHSANAH (under another man).


Regarding Noble Verse 33:52, it is a Law that was given to Prophet Muhammad to forbid him from:

1-  Marrying or replacing women with other women.  This is because the sacredness of marriage and its Solemn Covenant was made clear in the Glorious Quran.

2-  The Prophet at the time of limiting polygamy to up to four wives only, he had more than four wives at the time.  So Allah Almighty put a freeze on the Prophet from further marrying any woman.

3-  This Noble Verse also prevents any further taking advantage or abuse of the sacredness of marriage by the Prophet.  Divorce is allowed but it is highly detestable by Allah Almighty, and being careless with it will bring sin upon you:

‏2:236 لاجناح عليكم ان طلقتم النساء مالم تمسوهن او تفرضوا لهن فريضة ومتعوهن على الموسع قدره وعلى المقتر قدره متاعا بالمعروف حقا على المحسنين

"You bear no sin if you divorce your wives AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NOT (ma-lam مالم) had (a sexual) contact (with them), and before settling (the amount of) the nuptial premium (for them). Yet, you should make provisions for them (even then); the affluent in keeping with his means, and the poor according to what he can afford. A fair provision is an obligation upon the pious.  (The Noble Quran, 2:236)"


This Noble Verse is for all Muslim men and it is speaking in the plural.  The only time you're guaranteed to not bring sin upon you via divorce is if you divorce before the first sexual intercourse, i.e., before consummating the marriage.  This is the period where the couple would be engaged and are allowed to start going out and decide if they're good match to each other or not.  So to prevent the Prophet from abusing divorce, Allah Almighty simply prohibited him from marrying again.  The Prophet was still allowed to divorce any wife.  This was never forbidden for him.


Please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm



No abrogation at all.  Just different Laws for different situations.  For all Muslim men, marriage and divorce are allowed for as long as they live.  For the Prophet, marriage had an expiration date on it.  The day came when he was forbidden from marrying again.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah



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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« on: May 28, 2021, 04:09:51 PM »
Also brother, the past tense even in English can include the future.  For example, if you ask me "Do you own www.answering-christianity.com ?" or "Are you the owner of www.answering-christianity.com ?"

Technically, I can answer you something like this: "I've been since 1999".  "I've been" here doesn't stop at today and the future.  In other words, it doesn't mean that I stopped owning the website or no longer own the website.  No, on the contrary, it would mean here that I've been and I am still and will always insha'Allah be the owner of this website.  The context of "I've been" here means it is continuous.

So Allah Almighty using past tense is indeed most appropriate, because it does include the past, present and future and all infinity and all eternity.  So Kaana for Allah Almighty means that He's been and is and will always be.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« on: May 28, 2021, 08:28:44 AM »
Jazaka Allah Khayr as well, brother.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« on: May 28, 2021, 08:08:16 AM »
Kaana كَانَ when used for Allah Almighty it means what I described in the previous post, because it indeed is the closest word that can give us a simple picture of His Infinity.  Allah Almighty did use YAKOON (2:117), which is present of Kaana, when the Almighty Said when He wants to create something He commands it "be and it becomes" (2:117).  Here YAKOON was used, because it has beginning and end (all shall taste death) 3:185 كل نفس ذائقة الموت .  But with Allah Almighty past tense encompasses all past and present and future.  There is nothing comparable to Allah Almighty (112:004).  Our earthly grammar does not encompass Allah Almighty.  But the use of past tense is the most appropriate.


In a nutshell, before anything and everything was Allah Almighty.  Hence the use of past tense for Allah Almighty.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Tenses Question
« on: May 27, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Past tense is used for Allah Almighty to tell every flesh and blood creation on this earth that Allah Almighty is the GOD Almighty of all times and all existence, and all infinity and all eternity.  Our earth and existence here is limited, and our logic can not encompass this.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: May 22, 2021, 05:28:10 PM »
Also wow you definitely hate Wstern women a lot, lol. And who was that one guy who said that, you knew him?

A guy at work.  I don't hate anyone.  I wish them all Divine Guidance from Allah Almighty.  But I definitely do not want my daughter to associate with anyone of them.  Me and my wife are in total agreement on this.  No non-Muslim female friend, and certainly no male friend at all (Muslim or none).

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: May 22, 2021, 05:26:30 PM »
Maybe brother.  There is no certain documentation about this.  Again, memorizing 6236 Noble Verses is not easy.  Maybe the Prophet, peace be upon him, actually did.  But in the end, it wouldn't at all compromise the preservation of the Holy Quran, because it was thoroughly documented and preserved by the community, and not just by one person.  Plus the Quran is read in parts and systematically in our daily Prayers from beginning to end, and is read whole during the Month of Ramadan.  So there were many who memorized it and documented it.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: May 22, 2021, 04:35:36 PM »
You will not find two who agree on which abrogates which in the Glorious Quran, and on the amount of verses that are abrogated.  Every quack barks his conjecture.  All of those who bark abrogation are either quacks or liars that fabricate lies on the Holy Quran.  There is no abrogation in the Quran.  Period.  It was a lie that was invented by infidels.

As to Prophet Muhammad forgetting Noble Verses, that is normal for a flesh and blood human being.  The Glorious Quran is made of 6236 Noble Verses.  Prophet Muhammad didn't have all of them memorized.  The preservation of the Quran was thorough and complete by the companions and family of the Prophet.  Please visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

As to ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا , this is referring to the women (lesbians or not) who commit lewdness.  Lewdness includes adultery.  It is broader.  Here if they repent (not go back to it again after being found guilty and convicted), then they are to be set free ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا .  Otherwise, they are to be locked up till death comes upon them.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/homosexuals.htm


Again, there is no abrogation.  The adultery punishment is specific between a man and a woman, and it is limited to SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.  Otherwise it would be LAMAM (like kissing and touching before actual sex), which is a lesser crime than ZINA (sexual intercourse).  This LAMAM falls under lewdness.  In a nutshell, there are levels and degrees to sexual sinning.  They're not all the same.



Women's Temptations and Corruption:

I personally believe that Allah Almighty has placed this Law of locking them up till death if they're caught again is to prevent women from prostituting and spreading evil in the lands.  Women are forbidden from dressing sexy and showing off their curves and temptations.  Islam stops them at their tracks from defiling the land with their filth.  A woman is expected to be pious, chaste and the pinnacle of chastity and modesty.  Prostitutes and filthy temptations have no place in Muslim society.

Most Western women and men have great respect towards Muslim women, who dress modest and are chaste.  A woman in the West is nothing but a walking vagina, breasts and butt.  Like one guy once said, put a pillow on her face and "f her"; meaning who gives a two cents rats ass about how she feels and what she has to say.

A Muslim woman is truly dignified and is treated with best dignity and respect, and she is the best woman to produce and raise societies, especially in raising daughters.  Non-Muslim women are treated like harlots, and are viewed as harlots, which are (again) nothing but walking sexual objects to test drive.  The overwhelming majority of them have been test driven by many men, each.  Such quality is garbage.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Jazakum Allah Khayr, brothers.  Likewise to you and your families, insha'Allah.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« on: May 14, 2021, 05:33:18 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Abrogation means contradiction.  There is no abrogation in the Glorious Quran.  It was a lie invented by infidels and ignorant.  Here are the Noble Verses in question:

[002:240]  Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence; but if they leave (The residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Before dividing the inheritance, the Widow has the right to remain in her residence for 1 full year with full maintenance financial support from the deceased man's wealth.


[002:234]  If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And God is well acquainted with what ye do.

Here a widow must wait four lunar months and ten days before she can marry again.  Two different Noble Verses with two different topics and two different rulings.


As to part 2, it is Allah Almighty's Will to have us remember and forget things.  This has nothing to do with the preservation of the Glorious Quran.  The Noble Verse was speaking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Angel Gabriel how to read the Glorious Quran.  The Quran's preservation was primarily the responsibility of Angel Gabriel. 

As to "this prompted scholars to say that this verse is about man-woman adultery".  No it is not limited to man and woman (opposite genders).  The Noble Verses do include and are talking about homosexuals.

Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm#no_abrogation
https://www.answering-christianity.com/abrogation.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/homosexuals.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/adultery.htm



Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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