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Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« on: August 29, 2013, 07:21:26 PM »
[Quran 18:27] And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge.

[Quran 2:106] We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?

I heard some say that there is no changer of Allah's word, except Allah. But the verse doesn't say that.

Can I get an explanation?


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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 06:11:38 AM »

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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 11:29:41 AM »
salam alaikum

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_the_argument_regarding_allah_s_words_do_not_change

Thank you brother Egyptian, I hope questions can always be in this form. May Allah bless you and bless Egypt.

 Thank you so much brother Sama for that article, I read it, but unfortunately I wasn't compelled by it. I also read this article here

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/abrogation_and_the_unalterable_word_of_god__by_ansar_al__adl


^These are both very good articles and they cover a lot! But the best argument he makes is that it was Allah's word that he would abrogate his word and no one can change his word, therefore Allah will abrogate words as he promised.

But my problem is that it is still his word that he is changing and said that no one will change his word.

If I say that no one can change my word, and then I changed it, then I contradicted myself.

Is there a more proper definition of the Arabic word "kalimaat". Does it mean Allah's scripture because his word exists in it?

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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2013, 12:58:51 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 Allah said:

        "And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge."[Quran 18:27](




Okay in the above verse Allah is saying that there is no change of His words. Brother you have to understand what Allah is referring to by using " His words". Here ''Words" means the promises. Its true that Allah doesn't change His promises. He will fulfill all the promise which He made to us in due time.

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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 09:38:31 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 Allah said:

        "And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge."[Quran 18:27](




Okay in the above verse Allah is saying that there is no change of His words. Brother you have to understand what Allah is referring to by using " His words". Here ''Words" means the promises. Its true that Allah doesn't change His promises. He will fulfill all the promise which He made to us in due time.

Thank you brother Farhan,

so "words" in that verse most likely carries the definition of "promises" because of the fact that it says "Never will you find in other than him a refuge". That does make more sense for it to mean promises.

So in the end Allah promised that he would abrogate revelations/verses, and he did. Thank you.

The problem that comes is that, that verse (18:27) talks about what has been revealed to you of the book and that there is no changer of his words. That makes it sound like you can't change the words in the book? How do you reconcile this? Perhaps "words" here doesn't mean "promises"?

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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 12:14:25 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 Brother, I don't know much about the issue of abrogation. I have read several articles covering this issue but still it's not clear or convincing to me. I'm still not sure if there were any abrogation  or not. But I'll try my best to get a satisfactory solution to this confusion as soon as possible.

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Re: Problem: No one can alter Allah's word?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2013, 12:32:26 PM »
Assalamualykum.

 Brother after a long search I found an article which explains the fact in great detail. Please visit the link given below:

 http://www.mostmerciful.com/abrogation-and-substitution.htm


 Take Care.

 

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