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Offline shabeer_hassan

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@God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that............

THAT IS GOD MISGUIDE THE WRONG PEOPLE,GOD NEVER THEM RIGHT PATH.............
"Make these people close-minded. Plug their ears. Shut their eyes. Otherwise, they may see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their minds, and return and be healed."(Isaiah 6:10)

"Why, O LORD, do You cause us to stray from Your ways And harden our heart from fearing You? Return for the sake of Your servants, the tribes of Your heritage."(Isaiah 63:17)

"This is why they could not believe: Isaiah also said, He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, so that they might not perceive with their eyes, and understand with their mind and turn, and I would heal them." (John 12:39-40)

"As it is written, "To this day God has put them into deep sleep. Their eyes do not see, and their ears do not hear."(Romans 11:8)
"At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from wise and intelligent people and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, because this is what was pleasing to you." (Matthew 11:25-16)
"For the one living in Maroth is waiting for good: for evil has come down from the Lord to the doorways of Jerusalem." (Micah 1:12, Bible in Basic English)
Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats." 

@U NEVER RESPOND THE VERSES :John 4:24 ESV /

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
IF GOD HIMSELF  A SPIRIT ,THEN WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF " the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God" SO THAT LEADS GOD SEARCHING FOR GOD,IS IT?

OTHER VERSES SAYS HOLY SPIRIT GREATER THAN GOD:
 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:  29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation (Mark 3:28-29)
JESUS DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH:(HE NEVER ACHIEVE THE COMPLETE DEPTH OF GOD)
Mark 24: 32-36:
 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

John 10:29 which reads as follows:
 
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

THAT IS MOST SUPERIOR GOD CAN UNDERSTAND DEPTH OF THE GOD IS IT?
ANY PERSON IS THERE IN HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLETE DEPTH OF GOD?

 
 

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@God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him.............
WHAT THE HELL SIN DID BY THE FOLLOWING PERSON MR.EYE OF EVIL?
1 Samuel 15:3,8

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city.

Deuteronomy 2:32-34

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

Joshua 8:24-26

When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed.

2 Chronicles 25:12

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)

Exodus 32:27-29

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt Exodus 12:29-30 NLT

This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors."  The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day.  Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing."  (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT

God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:
 
Kill Brats
    From there Elisha went up to Bethel.  While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him.  "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!"  The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord.  Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.  (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
 
God Kills the Curious
    And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter.  And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?   (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
 
Killed by a Lion
    Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!"  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me."  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.  (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
 
Killing the Good Samaritan
    The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill.  Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
    When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip.  But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.  (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Offline TheEyeofGod

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According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.
Brother TheEyeofGod,
You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Hmmmmm good brother ( Osama Abdallah)
I don't even open your link.
    But Yes! God can use your enemies to punish you and your belongings for your sins, or your own belongings to punish you as well , note you mentioned there that "is because of David's sin" so God can never punish you unnecessary or without sin. We can also see that God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him, He's using this punishment to correct them so as for them not to fall into the same trap in another time, for instance  if you punish your child because he/she did a wrong thing, he can never do the same another time. When you committed  sins  , that means you've disobeyed God (you are no more in God's side) so if God now punish you because you've sinned, He did that to you, and for you to know that what I've done Is wrong, that I've departed from His way , Is now for you to go back to Him and he will accept you. This king David you mentioned , despite all his sins, although God do punish him but He still love him, because he knows how to seek God's face. So when God want to punish someone for his/her sin , he can use anybody or anything to  punish such person.
But thank God for today, even if we committed sin, and we realised that we've committed and seek His face instantly, He will surely forgive us. That is the Grace we have trough Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son).
Remember again if God did all this, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.
You're blessed!

What I am just going to say about this is, you do not even bother to open the link given. That is where the valid argument lies, the least you can do is to analyse what he has written in both article. It is best to be honest, and if you really feel that you are truthful and on the true side, should you not browse the article he has written and maybe, if you think that the allegation made is not true, you could have make a correction for it and reply them to brother Osama Abdullah. What constitute my point here is that if you progress with your point without taking your opponent's point into account that would be futile, I name it beating around the bush. You are not answering his question, nor correcting his stance, if you deliberate your stance for Christianity is candour and honest one.

That is all from me thank you. No, I won't say anything about the argument in your scripture, because I only have studied a little from them. But please, if you really consider yourself a valid proponent of Christendom, then please heed on Osama Abdullah's question and words. Do not yet skip over his point as you assert yours, or your argument on Christianity will be in vain.
.                                                                                   Thanks my eminence brother, you've spoken well. But what I can compare the matter of the link to , is like you send your boy somewhere to give a speech, and immediately in your presence he started speaking rubbish, so there is no assurance that he won't shoot bullet at where you send him.that means to say, he has shown you the preamble of what he's going to render there.    You said well that "I suppose to make correction on his link if I'd read it" but how many times do I want to make correction? I said it in my last posts that this site is meant for argument, and if he could read my comment/post, am very sure that he would find corrections.                                                Anyway brother you make a point, thanks very much.

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Isaiah 53 tells about the final prophet of Israelite, the Messiah after death (due to end of prolonged period of life), he will bear sin/guilt for many (Israelites) and intercedes transgressing Jews; not bear sin of world or new covenant as interpreted by Roman Christian authors. As Messiah was sent for the Israelites.
Nowhere can you find anything about waking up after death and stay on earth for forty days before lifted to heaven in Isaiah 53:8. The reason the Messiah needed to be taken away from land of living is that if he continues to stay on earth, the law of life on earth will apply onto Messiah. From baby the Messiah grows until adulthood. If he stays on earth, he will become old age and die due to old age or die due to being killed by enemies.

As Messiah vanish from land of Israel lifted to heaven, 53:9 mentioned about the Messiah's grave among the wicked and transgressing Jews. But if the Messiah grave is known to wicked Jews, then whose body was inside the grave? (Quran mentioned about 'the person' being crucified)

God tested His servant by bruising the Messiah in 53:10 as the transgressing Jews will take away his life for sin/guilt. But God made it clear in later part of verse that the servant will prolong his days. God did not say "He shall prolong his revived days". Also notice that it says prolong which means there will be an end to the Messiah life. Thus the Messiah is not eternal living creature. And how will the life be prolong? Certainly the Messiah will be raised and lifted to heaven by God and be given prolong life in heaven until the need to return for his second coming as commanded by God.

At the end of the Messiah prolonged life. The Messiah will certainly die. And like all other prophets in the afterlife, depending on their covenant of different location and era, the prophets will intercede for their followers's to overcome the follower sins by mediating and seeking more reward from God for their follower; this was described what will happen to Messiah and his followers as described in Isaiah 53:12

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my brother.. I don't to bother myself on a null thing...because the content he gave has said  the totality of what are in the links ...one adage says"if the head is good..the whole body is good..and it is vice versa" . so I know what he's trying to say..thank you

 

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