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Offline AMuslimDude213

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« on: March 23, 2017, 06:27:53 PM »
So i came across a Deist who started to Insult Islam,so i wanted a refutation to her main points

There's over 3,000 deities, yours is really new if you look at history. Mythology evolved into religion, Zoroastrianism is where Islam has some of its beliefs, the rest was copied from Judaism and Christianity. They light their fire times a day, like how many times Muslims pray, and their the first religion to write about a monotheistic god.
And evolution is true, it has tons of evidence, the Qu'ran says it isn't, stop believing in ancient mythology written by ancient desert dwellers. Muhammad was a war-monger who went around to tribe to tribe killing people who wouldn't convert, he was just as big of a troublemaker as Jesus, and most of the writings were written by people after he existed.

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2017, 03:18:16 AM »
Unlike false religions, Islam calls to worship God and reject creation worship. She believe creation created itself and she thinks she is smart ?

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 05:53:40 PM »
And what about Zoroastrianism,etc?

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 05:54:09 PM »
By that i mean her claims on Islam it copied from Zoroastrians,etx

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 06:28:11 PM »
Absolutly not, Zorostrainians used to worship idols the supposed daugthers of Allah swt astakfirullah. Her belief it came from judaism is false, tell her both isrealites and arabs are children of abraham the father of monotheistism. So as u said that muhammad pbuh copied jews is falsehood bcause historical records from hashmites show that prophet muhammad pbuh used to only go to cave Hera and only went for trading to iraq few times when he was married to Khadijah.

He doesn't know more about the Zorostrainians belief other then they worshipped idols since he never took interest in talking to them about what they worship, he saw them worshipping these idols that they called Hubal and so on.

Here is a simple logical question for her. If prophet muhammad pbuh copied their religion which it seems u know nothing about, then why would he and the muslims destroy all the idols when they took back Mecca? Also how can he copy judaism when he was unlettered, neither could read or write?  How can he copy judaism when the closest jew group were in Madina not Mecca. How can he copy judaism when Jews themselves wanted to kill him because he did not come from among them? Why were the Jews in Madina, Yathrib when their holy land was Jerusaleam? Why did the Gnostic christian Bahira when he saw prophet muhammad pbuh as an adolesant, realized that he was the awaited prophet that he was seeking? Why did the jews used to worn the arabs that when there awaited prophet will come, they will kill the arabs?

MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, do u know anything about Zorostrainism? They worship idols, we worship God, Allah meaning la ilah, Allah "THE GOD"

Tell her she is merely repeating lies from people who spread lies, IF she was knowledgable she would learn from our sources then ask us.

Tell her, if u have a heartattack do u go to a doctor or a mechanic, so if u want to know about islam do u go to a knowledgable muslim or a christian?

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2017, 06:39:40 PM »
Nevermind some of the things i mentioned on last post, i got polytheism and zorostrainism mixed up for a second there.

Here i found this for u that will easily defeat what ever similarities that this will will try to make wirh islam and zorostrainism.

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/religion-miscellaneous/difference-between-zoroastrianism-and-islam/

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2017, 07:10:50 PM »
https://books.google.com/books?id=a6gbxVfjtUEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thus book is on zorostrianism, u can see how foolish it is to believe islam is similar to it. They worship water and fire, if anyone is similar to them it is hinduism.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 07:24:27 PM »
Also note in islam there are 5 pillars, beliving in tawheed(oneness of God), 5 times prayers, belief in angels and prophets, hajj, and  ramadan(fasting). The entire belief system is different.

Also MOST IMPORTANTLY, there is no record of prophet muhammad staying in iraq or iran for days, or communicating with any zorostranians, he only went as a Merchant.

Also mention the hadith:

Umar ibn Khattab (ra) said: “As we were sitting one day before the Messenger of Allah (saw), a man suddenly appeared. He wore pure white clothes and his hair was dark black-yet there were no signs of travel on him, and none of us knew him.

He came and sat down in front of the Prophet (saw), placing his knees against his, and his hands on his thighs. He said, “O Muhammad! Tell me about Islam.”

The Messenger of Allah (saw) replied, “Islam is to bear witness that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God; and to perform the prayer; pay zakat; fast Ramadan; and to perform Hajj to the House if you are able.”

The man said, “You have spoken the truth,” and we were surprised that he asked and then confirmed the answer.

Then, he asked, “Tell me about belief (iman).”

The Prophet (saw) replied, “It is to believe in Allah; His Angels; His Books; His Messengers; the Last Day; and in destiny-its good and bad.”

The man said, “You have spoken the truth. Now, tell me about spiritual excellence (ihsan).”

The Prophet (saw) replied, “It is to serve Allah as though you behold Him; and if you don’t behold him, (know that) He surely sees you.”

“Now, tell me of the Last Hour,” asked the man.

The Prophet (saw) replied, “The one asked knows no more of it than the one asking.”

“Then tell me about its signs,” said the man.

The Prophet (saw) replied, “That slave women give birth to their mistresses; and that you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings.” (The tower in Dubai!!)

Then the visitor left, and I waited a long time. Then the Prophet (saw) asked me, “Do you know, Umar, who the questioner was?”

I replied, “Allah and His Messenger know best.”

He said (saw), “It was Jibril. He came to you to teach you your religion.”


[Sahih Muslim]

Here is evidence that MULTIPLE people witnessed the Angel gabriel as in his human form, visiting prophet muhammad pbuh to tell the disciples and to tell them of there belief in islam.

So the notion of "islam copied other religions" is ABSOLUTLY FALSE. Since many witnessed angel gabriel (as) visiting prophet muhammad pbuh.

 ;)Umar ibn Khattab (ra) said: “As we were sitting one day before the Messenger of Allah (saw), a man suddenly appeared. He wore pure white clothes and his hair was dark black-yet there were no signs of travel on him, and none of us knew him.

He came and sat down in front of the Prophet (saw), placing his knees against his, and his hands on his thighs. He said, “O Muhammad! Tell me about Islam.”

The Messenger of Allah (saw) replied, “Islam is to bear witness that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God; and to perform the prayer; pay zakat; fast Ramadan; and to perform Hajj to the House if you are able.”

The man said, “You have spoken the truth,” and we were surprised that he asked and then confirmed the answer.

Then, he asked, “Tell me about belief (iman).”

The Prophet (saw) replied, “It is to believe in Allah; His Angels; His Books; His Messengers; the Last Day; and in destiny-its good and bad.”

The man said, “You have spoken the truth. Now, tell me about spiritual excellence (ihsan).”

The Prophet (saw) replied, “It is to serve Allah as though you behold Him; and if you don’t behold him, (know that) He surely sees you.”

“Now, tell me of the Last Hour,” asked the man.

The Prophet (saw) replied, “The one asked knows no more of it than the one asking.”

“Then tell me about its signs,” said the man.

The Prophet (saw) replied, “That slave women give birth to their mistresses; and that you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings.” (The tower in Dubai!!)

Then the visitor left, and I waited a long time. Then the Prophet (saw) asked me, “Do you know, Umar, who the questioner was?”

I replied, “Allah and His Messenger know best.”

He said (saw), “It was Jibril. He came to you to teach you your religion.”


[Sahih Muslim]

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2017, 07:25:57 PM »
For some reason my post didnt go through first, when i copy and pasted after relogging it copied the hadith twice iono why  (-_-!)

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 07:29:44 PM »
So anyone with a tiny fraction of a braincell can see that there were many eye witness accounts witnessed angel gabriel (as) visiting and informing the disciples of islamic beliefs.

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2017, 10:01:19 PM »
By that i mean her claims on Islam it copied from Zoroastrians,etx

For skeptics of Islam, one can only claim Islam being a direct copycat of Israelite religion. Some even say Islam originated from a much more ancient religion being the religion of Noah. Nothing pagan.

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http://www.judaism-islam.com/similarities-between-masjid-al-haram-and-the-jewish-temple/
http://binsalaam.tripod.com/similarities.htm

 

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