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  THE RASHAD KHALIFA ISSUE:

 Osama accused me of lying against him because I said that he loves Rasahd's work. He apparently thought that I said that he loves Rashad himself, but notice how I said "work" and I underlined the word? This is because I knew that Osama would misunderstand what I said. Rashad's work is all over Osama's website! He uses his translations quite often! He also uses his "numerical miracles" which he invented!


 WHO INVENTED THE 19 MIRACLE?:

 Osama accused me of lying when I said that Rashad invented the number 19 "miracle" and he said that a man by the name of "Adnan Al-Rifae" invented it. So let us see who really invented it:

"In 1968, Egyptian biochemist Rashad Khalifa began his translation of the Quran because he was not satisfied with any of the other translations at the time. He vowed to never move past a verse without understanding it. After completing chapter 1 within a week, He arrived at chapter 2:1 with the letters Alif-Lâm-Mîm. His lack of understanding of this verse caused him to statistically analyze the Quran with a computer. Over the course of several years this continued until January 1974 when he claimed he had discovered an intricate mathematical pattern when he placed the original Arabic text of the Quran into a computer. The intricate pattern was found to be divisible by a common denominator of the number 19, hence "code-19" is sometimes used to popularly describe Khalifa's work or the community of Qur'an alone Muslims who go by the name of the Submitters.[3]"

Source: Wikipeida, The Quran Code

"A truly awesome mathematical pattern has been discovered in the Quran in the year 1974 by Dr. Rashad Khalifa. For 14 long centuries Muslims took the challenge presented by God to produce a Sura like it (2:23) to be one primarily related to literacy excellence. But as a result of the new scientific discovery a new meaning for the challenge has surfaced and is astounding mathematicians all over the world.

It was found out that the verses, words, letters and all parameters of the original scripture were coded by means of the prime number 19. The complexity and amazing intricacy of this deliberate structure made it apparent that the phenomenon was superhuman."

Source: http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html
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You act like a child who always wants the ball eventhough he always fails at playing with it

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ABOUT MATTERS THAT YIELD NO BENEFITS
this will insha Allah benifit him and end his doubting, you are the ignorant one here.
Brother Osama banned you because you were using LIES....no one banned you unjustly, in fact you're causing ramihs to doubt more when you address him/her

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@Abdullah not to come off the wrong foot but why stress so much time on research on Osama when you could be more productive making articles or sites refuting Wiikiislam / Rationalwiki / answering islam and answering muslims ? or make videos and refute youtubers such as the rationalizer ? 

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But there ARE miracles in the Quran, for example the quran highlights the correct method for building the Egyptian Pyramids, and it predicts the future about the preservation of the Pharaoh's body which was recently discovered and identified to be Ramses II.

But i agree that Osama overblows some supposed miracles, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pretty mind blowing stuff in this pretty amazing book.

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And i didnt want to hurt his feelings, that's why i didnt confront him about the whole 19 jazz and the supposed scientific miracles. He was doing a lot of good stuff so i though what the heck, let him carry on.

Osama, keep being you! Don't change.

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THE RASHAD KHALIFA ISSUE:

 Osama accused me of lying against him because I said that he loves Rasahd's work. He apparently thought that I said that he loves Rashad himself, but notice how I said "work" and I underlined the word? This is because I knew that Osama would misunderstand what I said. Rashad's work is all over Osama's website! He uses his translations quite often! He also uses his "numerical miracles" which he invented!


 WHO INVENTED THE 19 MIRACLE?:

 Osama accused me of lying when I said that Rashad invented the number 19 "miracle" and he said that a man by the name of "Adnan Al-Rifae" invented it. So let us see who really invented it:

"In 1968, Egyptian biochemist Rashad Khalifa began his translation of the Quran because he was not satisfied with any of the other translations at the time. He vowed to never move past a verse without understanding it. After completing chapter 1 within a week, He arrived at chapter 2:1 with the letters Alif-Lâm-Mîm. His lack of understanding of this verse caused him to statistically analyze the Quran with a computer. Over the course of several years this continued until January 1974 when he claimed he had discovered an intricate mathematical pattern when he placed the original Arabic text of the Quran into a computer. The intricate pattern was found to be divisible by a common denominator of the number 19, hence "code-19" is sometimes used to popularly describe Khalifa's work or the community of Qur'an alone Muslims who go by the name of the Submitters.[3]"

Source: Wikipeida, The Quran Code

"A truly awesome mathematical pattern has been discovered in the Quran in the year 1974 by Dr. Rashad Khalifa. For 14 long centuries Muslims took the challenge presented by God to produce a Sura like it (2:23) to be one primarily related to literacy excellence. But as a result of the new scientific discovery a new meaning for the challenge has surfaced and is astounding mathematicians all over the world.

It was found out that the verses, words, letters and all parameters of the original scripture were coded by means of the prime number 19. The complexity and amazing intricacy of this deliberate structure made it apparent that the phenomenon was superhuman."

Source: http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html                     

No one invented the Number 19 Miracle, and I never used the word "invented".  I said discovered the Numerical Table and demonstrated the Miracle.  Lying comes out of your mouth with ease.  You should check yourself.  The Miracle was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran.  Rashad Khalifa did some work on it, but his work had holes in it:

1-  He removed two Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran.  He declared them to be man-made fabrications.

2-  His mathematical calculations had errors in them.

3-  His mathematical calculations are based on the NON-ARABIC ABJAD alphabetical table.

4-  The mathematical calculations that we use are based on A DISCOVERED ARABIC TABLE from Surat Nuh.  Not from the ABJAD table:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

Did you even bother to read the article and checkout my work of manually counting, calculating and verifying all of the claims in the scanned images that I uploaded on the website?  You did not.

You see, the issue with you is you don't bother to read what your opponent has to say, and you just vomit your nonsense.  And when you do this on a large scale, then you become a spammer.  You also resort to lies; a rotten trait that you displayed several times already in the past.


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Rashad's work is all over Osama's website!

Rashad's work is not all over Osama's website.  You are a liar and stupid.  I am not a member of his cult, nor do I use his works and interpretations of the Glorious Quran.  I only added his Holy Quran English translation with:

1-  My removal of his references to himself in his translation.

2-  Adding the two Noble Verses that he removed back in the translation.

3-  I added a diclaimer note explaining why I am using him everytime someone quieries his translation.

He got several Noble Verses' translations close enough, and he is also used by infidel websites out there.  So I didn't want to give them the advantage.

You see, I just wasted time explaining things that I already made clear on the website, because of your spamming.  Therefore, everytime you spam with lies, here is what's going to happen:

1-  I will replace your post with a ".", unless I choose parts to keep to reply to.

2-  I will further delete response-posts that you made from your "Abdullah Almadi" account.


When you learn to actually "refute" me on my actual work, and not on what other websites wrote, then I will take you more seriously.  So, are you going to behave and quit being a liar and a deceiver?  We know that your rotten cult of satan has brain-washed you.  But this is no excuse that you don't read our material.

And to the reader, Prophet Muhammad did say that the HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.  And we are living these days today.  I already gave the ample proofs and quotes:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Omar, Ramihs, iknowi and others,

If you have school or work, dear brother, don't waste your time on this spammer.  I will handle him insha'Allah.  You are of course always welcomed to respond to him anytime.  But I just wanted to pass to you my advice :).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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And just in case Almadi still fails to get it:  Rashad Khalifa does not own the Number 19 Miracle of the Glorious Quran.  Just because he started work on it (in fact, there are others who began work on it before him), it doesn't mean he owns it.  And our work has nothing to do with his work.  His had been proven to be false (removing the Noble Verses) and erroneous (had mathematical errors).

Hopefully this post will make it all sink in after many failed attempts to Almadi.  And again, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

If you want to debate the Number 19 Miracle with me, then please do not bring the name Rashad Khalifa into the mix.

I hope you now get it.

Osama

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But there ARE miracles in the Quran, for example the quran highlights the correct method for building the Egyptian Pyramids, and it predicts the future about the preservation of the Pharaoh's body which was recently discovered and identified to be Ramses II.

But i agree that Osama overblows some supposed miracles, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pretty mind blowing stuff in this pretty amazing book.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

First of all, the links that thoroughly demonstrate the Miracles about how the Pyramids were built and the preservation of Pharaoh's body, in the Glorious Quran, are located here:

www.answering-christianity.com/pyramids_of_giza_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_drowned.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies


As to me overblowing the "supposed Miracles", please go to this link and show me where I overblown anything here:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections



In fact, not a single Scientific Miracle I added to the site that I did not THOROUGHLY bring supports from Western Scientists to amply demonstrate it. 

Also, not a single Numerical Miracle I added to the site that I did not personally verify with my owns hands to be numerically accurate.

So they're very carefully added.



I find your comment to be careless, akhi.  Not because you disagree with me.  But because you seem to have spoken it out of ignorance and presupposition.  I respectfully challenge all to show me where I have erred.  You yourself must have something to show us here where I have overblown a Miracle.


I waiting for those overblown miracles to be shown here.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Re: A Message to everyone on this Board and Osama Abdallah- From Abdullah Almadi
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2016, 04:37:41 AM »
But let us get on topic and I will try my best to ignore your useless ad hominems.


"The Miracle was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran."

 No it wasn't. It was just you misquoting the verse. You should read the verse in context since it was talking about the number of angels in hell.

"And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers" 74:31

"You see, the issue with you is you don't bother to read what your opponent has to say, and you just vomit your nonsense.  And when you do this on a large scale, then you become a spammer.  You also resort to lies; a rotten trait that you displayed several times already in the past."

 The link that you gave shows NOTHING about the Abjad table and Rashad Khalifah. You still haven't refuted the fact that he is the discoverer of the 19 miracle. But that doesn't matter. Let me just refute this so called "miracle" which has been proven as a HOAX by both Muslims and non-Muslims. Check this link:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/24959698/The-Miracle-of-19-Debunked
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Re: A Message to everyone on this Board and Osama Abdallah- From Abdullah Almadi
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2016, 05:40:46 AM »
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But let us get on topic and I will try my best to ignore your useless ad hominems.


"The Miracle was already mentioned in the Glorious Quran."

 No it wasn't. It was just you misquoting the verse. You should read the verse in context since it was talking about the number of angels in hell.

"And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers" 74:31

"You see, the issue with you is you don't bother to read what your opponent has to say, and you just vomit your nonsense.  And when you do this on a large scale, then you become a spammer.  You also resort to lies; a rotten trait that you displayed several times already in the past."

 The link that you gave shows NOTHING about the Abjad table and Rashad Khalifah. You still haven't refuted the fact that he is the discoverer of the 19 miracle. But that doesn't matter. Let me just refute this so called "miracle" which has been proven as a HOAX by both Muslims and non-Muslims. Check this link:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/24959698/The-Miracle-of-19-Debunked

Here you go again.  Since you lied again, I am going to delete your post and more posts from your responses.  Once again, you are refuting the submision.org and the Rashad Khalifa websites.  Yet, you completely ignored refuting my link, which has 100s of scanned images, and are about the new Law which has nothing to do with Rashad Khalifa that you continue to post refutations to, which we also refuted.  I gave the link above.

Next lie, I will change the name "Abdullah Almadi" account to "Stupid Salafi" as I just changed "Muhammad101" to "Stupid Salafi".

Try me again and see.




Dear Stupid Salafi:

Dear stupid Salafi,

Can you please only refute the following article when you debate me on the Number 19 Miracle?

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

It has different Law from one of submitters and their Rashad Khalifa (their law was proven to be full of errors and mathematical miscalculations as I linked above).  The New Law is based on Surat Nuh' Miracle in the Glorious Quran, and not on Rashad Khalifa's law, which was made by him and was proven to have wrong calculations in it.  Is that too difficult for you to understand, or are you just a rotten salafi that loves to lie?

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

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What symbol does God intend by this?
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 07:24:15 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Notice this proof from the Noble Verses that clearly demonstrate how this cult of prostitutes, the salafies, is indeed a cult of infidels:



[074:030]  Over it are Nineteen عليها تسعة عشر.
   
[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY وماجعلنا عدتهم الا  as (1) a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
   
[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
[074:035]  This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles) انها لاحدى الكبر.
[074:036] A warning to mankind,-
[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-



The ones with disease in their hearts and the infidels will say: WHAT SYMBOL DOES GOD INTEND BY THIS??




Notice the rejection:

Notice the fierce rejection by the cult of sodomized prostitutes (50% of men in Saudi Arabia are estimated to have been sodomized; see links below), the salafies, and the salafi slime above.  He is mocking the Number 19 Miracle and saying WHAT SYMBOL DOES THIS MEAN?  IT IS WORTHLESS!  Just wanted to point out this observation for all to see.  A STUNNING Quranic Prophecy and Miracle fulfilled and demonstrated.

Notice also:

[074:036] A warning to mankind,-




THE HORN OF SATAN:

And again and again, Prophet Muhammad himself said that the horn of satan will emerge from Saudi Arabia:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Aballah

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So why not Rashad Khalifa then Osama Abdallah??
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 01:58:59 PM »
One might ask a simple question here:  So why not Rashad Khalifa then, Osama Abdallah??  Did he not:

1-  First publish the research on the Number 19 Miracle in the Quran?

Yet, you call him a dajjal (liar).  So, why not him??


Answer:

As I explained above, Rashad Khalifa:

1-  Removed two Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran to prove his lies.  This violated the Glorious Quran's Holiness and also violated Allah Almighty's Divine Promise to protect the Glorious Quran from all error and corruption.  For more, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links


2-  Claimed to be a prophet.  Yet, Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet according to the Glorious Quran.

3-  Had mathematical errors in his calculations:

www.answering-christianity.com/rk_cult_exposed.htm


So he was wrong on all fronts (points).  Again, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm




Why Muhammad and not Musaylama??

This is like an infidels asking you, the Muslim, why believe in Muhammad and not Musaylama "The liar" as you Muslims call him??  Well, as Muslims, we know Islam's ample Truth which is why we believe in Muhammad and reject Musaylama.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com

But I wanted to use this example to show that you should look at the merits of the point, and not just names.  So for the salafi slimes to just dismiss the Number 19 Miracle as Rashad Khalifa's invention is a bogus lie, and Allah Almighty addressed them directly regarding this very Miracle in the Glorious Quran, as I demonstrated above.


I hope this makes it clear, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: A Message to everyone on this Board and Osama Abdallah- From Abdullah Almadi
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2016, 04:47:30 AM »
But there ARE miracles in the Quran, for example the quran highlights the correct method for building the Egyptian Pyramids, and it predicts the future about the preservation of the Pharaoh's body which was recently discovered and identified to be Ramses II.

But i agree that Osama overblows some supposed miracles, but that doesn't mean there aren't some pretty mind blowing stuff in this pretty amazing book.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

First of all, the links that thoroughly demonstrate the Miracles about how the Pyramids were built and the preservation of Pharaoh's body, in the Glorious Quran, are located here:

www.answering-christianity.com/pyramids_of_giza_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_drowned.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies


As to me overblowing the "supposed Miracles", please go to this link and show me where I overblown anything here:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections



In fact, not a single Scientific Miracle I added to the site that I did not THOROUGHLY bring supports from Western Scientists to amply demonstrate it. 

Also, not a single Numerical Miracle I added to the site that I did not personally verify with my owns hands to be numerically accurate.

So they're very carefully added.



I find your comment to be careless, akhi.  Not because you disagree with me.  But because you seem to have spoken it out of ignorance and presupposition.  I respectfully challenge all to show me where I have erred.  You yourself must have something to show us here where I have overblown a Miracle.


I waiting for those overblown miracles to be shown here.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Salaams

Imo you're seeing things that just aren't there.

One example is the egg shaped earth, all translators don't translate it like you do and upon deeper analysis it appears that you're wrong. I can't speak arabic so im forced to go with what experts say, and your view is the extreme minority.

And btw, im in the middle ground. Abdullah Almadi seems to want to abandon the scientific miracles arguments all together, Osama wants to embrace it fully therefore often trying to interpret the non-explicit ayahs to how he pleases. I instead, want to take the explicit scientific miracles and abandon any vague ones (hence the middle ground).

 

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