Author Topic: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...  (Read 11289 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« on: January 16, 2017, 07:44:06 AM »
Please help me refute this scientific error

أَلَمْ يَكُ نُطْفَةً مِنْ مَنِيٍّ يُمْنَى (37)

Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted? (Quran [75:37] )


Well doesn't this verse ignore the fact that there was no person in the first? I mean the human came by a sperm fertilizing the ovum right? So the human wasn't a sperm or an egg at first, Like sodium chloride wasn't sodium at first, it's the result of sodium + chroline..Right? Forgive me for my English, it's not my first language. But i think that you got my point


Also another question about the alqaa (علقة )

http://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A9/

Many people claim that the word alqaa has 3 meanings..but according to this website it has so many meanings, right? So can any body explain why do people say that it has 3 meanings?

Also another question about word الحبك

People say that this word can mean the web, but....i don't see anywhere where it means the web, i only see that it means made it good

: (فعل)
حبَكَ يَحبُك ويَحبِك ، حَبْكًا ، فهو حابك ، والمفعول مَحْبوك
حبك الحبلَ : فتله فتلاً شديدًا ،
حبَك الشَّيءَ : شدّه وأحكمه
عمل محبوك : مُتقَن ،
حبَك المؤامرة : أحكم خُطَّتها ،
حَبَكَ الشيء : أحكمه
حبَك الثَّوبَ : أجاد نسجَه
حبَك القصَّة : أجاد صياغتَها
حبَك العقدةَ : قوّى عقدَها ووثَّقها
حبَك الأمرَ : أحسن تدبيرَه
حَبَكَهُ بِالسَّيْفِ : ضَرَبَهُ على وَسَطِهِ
حَبْك: (اسم)

Weaved it good is just an example...


So please help me and answer these questions...They annoy me so much...

Offline submit

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 08:07:58 AM »
Quote
Then woe to you, and woe!
Does man think that he will be left neglected?
Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted?
Then he was a clinging clot, and [ Allah ] created [his form] and proportioned [him]
And made of him two mates, the male and the female. (75:35-39)

The verses are addressing mankind that are arrogant not wanting to believe in the Day of Resurrection . Yet their origin were just from fluid gushed out from their father's part.

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 08:16:59 AM »
Sorry but this doesn't answer my question. The human's origin wasn't from the "sperm" even if we assumed, then what was the egg? Please brother i need a clear answer

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2017, 09:22:10 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The Glorious Quran says that the male-sperm:

1.  Is a piercing one. 
2.  It also determines the gender.

[053:045]  And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046]  From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating تمنى;


‏53:45 وانه خلق الزوجين الذكر والانثى
‏53:46 من نطفة اذا تمنى

AND

[075:037]  Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating) يمنى ?
[075:038]  The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039]  Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.


‏75:37 الم يك نطفة من مني يمنى
‏75:38 ثم كان علقة فخلق فسوى
‏75:39 فجعل منه الزوجين الذكر والانثى


Please visit the following articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/sex_determination.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology


Pay attention to the definitions of تمنى and يمنى.  Both are the same word.  And notice how Allah Almighty said He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE.  He could've just said Mankind.  But no, here Allah Almighty specified both genders.  And تمنى and يمنى is used for:

1-  Penetration.
2-  Cutting through.
3-  Piercing.


They even use the word for farmers when they insert their arms inside the cows' anus and vagina to help them with constipation and to check on fertilization.  They also use it for stabbing and cutting with a blade!  We know that the male sperm is a piercing one.  I even provided the pictures in the articles.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2017, 09:37:12 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The Glorious Quran says that the male-sperm:

1.  Is a piercing one. 
2.  It also determines the gender.

[053:045]  And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046]  From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating تمنى;


‏53:45 وانه خلق الزوجين الذكر والانثى
‏53:46 من نطفة اذا تمنى

AND

[075:037]  Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating) يمنى ?
[075:038]  The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039]  Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.


‏75:37 الم يك نطفة من مني يمنى
‏75:38 ثم كان علقة فخلق فسوى
‏75:39 فجعل منه الزوجين الذكر والانثى


Please visit the following articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/sex_determination.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology


Pay attention to the definitions of تمنى and يمنى.  Both are the same word.  And notice how Allah Almighty said He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE.  He could've just said Mankind.  But no, here Allah Almighty specified both genders.  And تمنى and يمنى is used for:

1-  Penetration.
2-  Cutting through.
3-  Piercing.


They even use the word for farmers when they insert their arms inside the cows' anus and vagina to help them with constipation and to check on fertilization.  They also use it for stabbing and cutting with a blade!  We know that the male sperm is a piercing one.  I even provided the pictures in the articles.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Waealaykum Alssalam

Thanks.. but umm......I already know this, please re-read what i have said and give me a clear answer

Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted? (Quran [75:37] )


Well doesn't this verse ignore the fact that there was no person in the first? I mean the human came by a sperm fertilizing the ovum right? So the human wasn't a sperm or an egg at first, Like sodium chloride wasn't sodium at first, it's the result of sodium + chroline..Right? Forgive me for my English, it's not my first language. But i think that you got my point

Also can you please answer my other questions??

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2017, 09:49:12 AM »
Quote
Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted? (Quran [75:37] )

Yes, I read it, and I showed you where the Glorious Quran said that our genders were determined by our fathers' EMITTED, PIERCING, PENETRATING, CUTTING SPERM.

Yes, have you "not been a sperm from semen emitted?"



Quote
Well doesn't this verse ignore the fact that there was no person in the first?

Please visit the following link to see how Allah Almighty CLONED mankind from Adam's back:

www.answering-christianity.com/cloning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,842.msg2547.html#msg2547


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 09:55:23 AM »
Quote
Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted? (Quran [75:37] )

Yes, I read it, and I showed you where the Glorious Quran said that our genders were determined by our fathers' EMITTED, PIERCING, PENETRATING, CUTTING SPERM.

Yes, have you "not been a sperm from semen emitted?"

Also, please visit the following link to see how Allah Almighty CLONED mankind from Adam's back:

www.answering-christianity.com/cloning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,842.msg2547.html#msg2547


Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Ahhhh......So you mean we all were a sperm, because since it's the sperm that determines the gender, right? So does that mean that we all were a sperm that evolved to be an embryo after fertilizing the ovum?, right or am i misunderstanding ? if yes, then thanks for these answers...also i have been wondering if it was another sperm that fertilized the ovum, then a different person would be born right? So this means that we all were a sperm....

Can you please answer my other questions?

and thanks..

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 10:06:54 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Please read the articles that I linked above.  You'll see how Allah Almighty talked about the NEW SPERM that gets formed after the male pierces the female's egg.  Noble Verse 75:37 that you asked about was talking about the gender determination as I have clearly demonstrated for you above:

[075:039]  Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.
[053:045]  And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,


The male and female.  Not YOU (plural).  Not MANKIND as the Almighty Said in other Noble Verses.  No.  The male and female.  And throughout the Glorious Quran, تمنى and يمنى are used only in those Noble Verses, and in them, Allah Almighty Said that He creates from the male sperm the male and the female.

And what other question did I not answer?  Please post your new questions so I can go through them.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 10:19:50 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Please read the articles that I linked above.  You'll see how Allah Almighty talked about the NEW SPERM that gets formed after the male pierces the female's egg.  Noble Verse 75:37 that you asked about was talking about the gender determination as I have clearly demonstrated for you above.

And what other question did I not answer?  Please post your new questions so I can go through them again.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Peace be upon you

Here's the other questions:

Also another question about the alqaa (علقة )

http://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A9/

Many people claim that the word alqaa has 3 meanings..but according to this website it has so many meanings, right? So can any body explain why do people say that it has 3 meanings?

Also another question about word الحبك

People say that this word can mean the web, but....i don't see anywhere where it means the web, i only see that it means made it good

: (فعل)
حبَكَ يَحبُك ويَحبِك ، حَبْكًا ، فهو حابك ، والمفعول مَحْبوك
حبك الحبلَ : فتله فتلاً شديدًا ،
حبَك الشَّيءَ : شدّه وأحكمه
عمل محبوك : مُتقَن ،
حبَك المؤامرة : أحكم خُطَّتها ،
حَبَكَ الشيء : أحكمه
حبَك الثَّوبَ : أجاد نسجَه
حبَك القصَّة : أجاد صياغتَها
حبَك العقدةَ : قوّى عقدَها ووثَّقها
حبَك الأمرَ : أحسن تدبيرَه
حَبَكَهُ بِالسَّيْفِ : ضَرَبَهُ على وَسَطِهِ
حَبْك: (اسم)

Weaved it good is just an example...


So please help me and answer these questions...They annoy me so much...


Wait.....What new sperm that gets formed????!?!?! do you mean the zygote, i already read them well honestly not all,  can you bring them here..i mean put the parts that talk about the new sperm not the links

About the verse 75:37 yes i know that it talks about gender determination, but it also talks that humans were once a sperm, i was wondering why that humans were a sperm not an egg? when i searched in google "Were you a sperm or an egg?" All the answers were neither...Did you get my point? I'm pretty confused though...

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2017, 11:39:32 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Regarding Alaqa, please visit the links that I gave you.  I went through it in great details.  And yes, it has 3 main meanings.  Almost all other definitions in the link that you gave are examples and derivatives of the words.


As to the Cosmic Web and Dark Energy and Matter, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/cosmic_web_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#astronomy
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe


Another STUNNING MIRACLE in the Glorious Quran.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2017, 12:10:07 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Regarding Alaqa, please visit the links that I gave you.  I went through it in great details.  And yes, it has 3 main meanings.  Almost all other definitions in the link that you gave are examples and derivatives of the words.


As to the Cosmic Web and Dark Energy and Matter, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/cosmic_web_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#astronomy
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe


Another STUNNING MIRACLE in the Glorious Quran.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Thanks you cleared by thoughts about these two words

But regrading the sperm one, I'm still confused about it


About the verse 75:37 yes i know that it talks about gender determination and that the sperm is penetrating, but it also talks that humans were once a sperm, i was wondering why that humans were a sperm not an egg? when i searched in google "Were you a sperm or an egg?" All the answers were neither...Did you get my point? I'm pretty confused though...

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2017, 12:23:26 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Brother, the Noble Verses do not speak about our essence.  They are merely talking about us and how we're formed on regular basis.  I already gave you the link where mankind was cloned from Adam's back.  Also, Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran that He Created us from ONE NEFS (self):

[004:001]  O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person SELF نفس واحدة, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for God ever watches over you.

‏4:1 سورة النساء بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ياايها الناس اتقوا ربكم الذي خلقكم من نفس واحدة وخلق منها زوجها وبث منهما رجالا كثيرا ونساء واتقوا الله الذي تساءلون به والارحام ان الله كان عليكم رقيبا


I also gave you the links above that speak about the NEW SPERM FROM THE MALE AND FEMALE that gets formed where we evolve/develop from.  I proved that the Glorious Quran's use of JA'ALA means to Allah Almighty caused something to evolve.  Like I said in the article, pay attention regarding Allah Almighty's uses of خلقنا (We Created) and جعلنا (We Made through development and evolution).


I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2017, 01:02:03 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Brother, the Noble Verses do not speak about our essence.  They are merely talking about us and how we're formed on regular basis.  I already gave you the link where mankind was cloned from Adam's back.  Also, Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran that He Created us from ONE NEFS (self):

[004:001]  O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person SELF نفس واحدة, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for God ever watches over you.

‏4:1 سورة النساء بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ياايها الناس اتقوا ربكم الذي خلقكم من نفس واحدة وخلق منها زوجها وبث منهما رجالا كثيرا ونساء واتقوا الله الذي تساءلون به والارحام ان الله كان عليكم رقيبا


I also gave you the links above that speak about the NEW SPERM FROM THE MALE AND FEMALE that gets formed where we evolve/develop from.  I proved that the Glorious Quran's use of JA'ALA means to Allah Almighty caused something to evolve.  Like I said in the article, pay attention regarding Allah Almighty's uses of خلقنا (We Created) and جعلنا (We Made through development and evolution).


I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear Osama,

Thanks for your efforts, but i'm still confused..What you have said still doesn't explain that we were sperm at first, Well i guess maybe the word "nutfah" is referring to zygote? I don't know but i think that you have to do a deeply research about this verse and also make a respond to it, because non-Muslims can create a "new scientific error" using this verse

Also i don't see anywhere the links talking about the new sperm, could you post them again please?

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2017, 07:50:34 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

I am very sorry for the mean post that I posted earlier.  I have removed it.  I sincerely hope that you accept my apology.



Regarding the New Sperm:

From www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology:

Notice the accuracy in the description:
   
‏23:12 ولقد خلقنا الانسان من سلالة من طين
‏23:13 ثم جعلناه نطفة في قرار مكين

[023:012]  Man We did create from a quintessence of clay سلالة;
[023:013] Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه as (a drop of) sperm zygote نطفة in a place of rest, firmly fixed قرار مكين;




Here Allah Almighty Said that the SULALAH (best sperm) سلالة is placed AS A NUTFAH (zygote) نطفة  in the PLACE OF REST قرار مكين. Clearly, this is referring to the male-sperm when it gets placed into the woman's egg after piercing it.  The egg now becomes a zygote cell, or a fertilized egg.  And of course, the Noble Verse is also referring to the entire womb in general, since the fertilized egg travels down the fallopian tube into the uterus. This journey takes between 1 to 2 days, and the egg will attach itself to the uterine lining, or the endometrium, to begin the pregnancy.

1.  "Then We placed made him as (a drop of) sperm zygote..."  Refers to male sperm when it enters the egg, and the now-fertilized egg, with the sperm in it, as one Nutfah (sperm) placed in "a place of rest, firmly fixed".  In other words, when the fertilized egg attaches itself inside the womb to begin the pregnancy.

2. "Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه ..."  Throughout the Glorious Quran, Allah Almighty used the Noble Word جعلنا , to mean:

Something "We made from multiple things"
--OR--
something "we evolved".

I have pointed this out before and thoroughly demonstrated it from the Glorious Quran at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htmHere I quote.....


Please continue reading the article.  There is a lot more from the Glorious Quran.


Once again, I am very sorry for the mean post earlier, akhi.  May Allah Almighty forgive me.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2017, 10:37:17 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

I am very sorry for the mean post that I posted earlier.  I have removed it.  I sincerely hope that you accept my apology.



Regarding the New Sperm:

From www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology:

Notice the accuracy in the description:
   
‏23:12 ولقد خلقنا الانسان من سلالة من طين
‏23:13 ثم جعلناه نطفة في قرار مكين

[023:012]  Man We did create from a quintessence of clay سلالة;
[023:013] Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه as (a drop of) sperm zygote نطفة in a place of rest, firmly fixed قرار مكين;




Here Allah Almighty Said that the SULALAH (best sperm) سلالة is placed AS A NUTFAH (zygote) نطفة  in the PLACE OF REST قرار مكين. Clearly, this is referring to the male-sperm when it gets placed into the woman's egg after piercing it.  The egg now becomes a zygote cell, or a fertilized egg.  And of course, the Noble Verse is also referring to the entire womb in general, since the fertilized egg travels down the fallopian tube into the uterus. This journey takes between 1 to 2 days, and the egg will attach itself to the uterine lining, or the endometrium, to begin the pregnancy.

1.  "Then We placed made him as (a drop of) sperm zygote..."  Refers to male sperm when it enters the egg, and the now-fertilized egg, with the sperm in it, as one Nutfah (sperm) placed in "a place of rest, firmly fixed".  In other words, when the fertilized egg attaches itself inside the womb to begin the pregnancy.

2. "Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه ..."  Throughout the Glorious Quran, Allah Almighty used the Noble Word جعلنا , to mean:

Something "We made from multiple things"
--OR--
something "we evolved".

I have pointed this out before and thoroughly demonstrated it from the Glorious Quran at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htmHere I quote.....


Please continue reading the article.  There is a lot more from the Glorious Quran.


Once again, I am very sorry for the mean post earlier, akhi.  May Allah Almighty forgive me.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear Osama,

I do accept your apology, anyway Thanks so much for this explanation! I couldn't have find better than this! I swear that was the best explanation far i have expected!

Thanks for your efforts!

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 10:38:22 PM »
Also i'm so sorry for being annoying..

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2017, 10:50:57 PM »
No dear brother, you do not owe me any apology.  It was all my fault.  I've acted like a short-tempred big obnoxious jerk.  No fault from your side, akhi.

Jazaka Allah Khayr.  Please ask all of your questions freely, akhi.  I will do my utmost best to thoroughly answer them, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2017, 02:12:52 PM »
Well, here's another question, does the Quran tell you to have sex with slaves?

According to this verse: 23:5-6

And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

Please explain this and thanks.

Offline Sama

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2017, 04:37:15 PM »
Well, here's another question, does the Quran tell you to have sex with slaves?

According to this verse: 23:5-6

And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

Please explain this and thanks.
People used to have slaves in the past. God stated that the relationship between a slave girl with her master is not forbidden. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with free men or women. They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Female slaves who can afford living hoped to be in relationship with masters, which they equate with "freedom". If a female slave had a child [boy or girl] from the master, she is then honored with the title; “Um al Walad” (mother of the child), and she is freed after the death of her provider.

Offline adilriaz123

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2017, 06:41:54 PM »
Here is the simpliest way to understand this. Adultry and fornication is haram, but the slave owner can marry the slave and thus can have sex, that is halal. But marrying also means that the slave owner has to give her all rights that quran says. Meaning ur marrying her as ur sister in islam not a slave rhat u can marry for sex alone and trow away or give no rights to.

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2017, 06:07:17 AM »
So the slave's owner can have sex with slaves without marrying them?!

Offline submit

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2017, 07:03:55 AM »
yes , lawful sex is permitted thru bondage of husband/wife and also master/right hand posess

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2017, 07:14:01 AM »
Well?? I need Osama to reply, i think that he will explain better

Offline AMuslimDude213

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2017, 07:31:57 AM »
What the explanation is you can have sexual intercourse with the slave,but however you need to MARRY the slave first,and when you do,you need to free the slave and give the slave what the quran tells you to give your wife,money,etc

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2017, 08:36:28 AM »
What the explanation is you can have sexual intercourse with the slave,but however you need to MARRY the slave first,and when you do,you need to free the slave and give the slave what the quran tells you to give your wife,money,etc

Well that's better, but can you show me where the Quran says that you need to marry the slave first in order to have sex with the slave? and thanks!

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2017, 10:15:59 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.

CAN NOT:

1-  Have sex with his married or single male slave.
2-  Have sex with an animal.

A Muslim woman can only have sex with her husband.



Slavery to be Ended:

However, the Laws of of the Glorious Quran Command all Muslims to end all slavery in the land.  In fact, Allah Almighty called this a MONUMENTAL TASK upon all Muslims:

From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm

Free a slave!  It is the harder course:

‏90:11 فلا اقتحم العقبة
‏90:12 وماادراك ماالعقبة
‏90:13 فك رقبة

[090:011]  But man does not attempt the harder (uphill course).
[090:012]  And how would you know what the harder course (of action) is?
[090:013] (It is) freeing slaves, فك رقبة



‏2:177 ليس البر ان تولوا وجوهكم قبل المشرق والمغرب ولكن البر من امن بالله واليوم الاخر والملائكة والكتاب والنبيين واتى المال على حبه ذوى القربى واليتامى والمساكين وابن السبيل والسائلين وفي الرقاب واقام الصلاة واتى الزكاة والموفون بعهدهم اذا عاهدوا والصابرين في الباساء والضراء وحين الباس اولئك الذين صدقوا واولئك هم المتقون

[002:177] Piety is not (a ritual requiring) that you turn your faces towards the East or the West (during ‘salat’). Rather, pious is he who believes (firmly) in Allah, the last day, the angels, the scriptures, and the prophets. (Pious is he, who) spends his wealth (in charity) _ out of love for Him _ on his kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves وفي الرقاب. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones!


‏5:89 لايؤاخذكم الله باللغو في ايمانكم ولكن يؤاخذكم بما عقدتم الايمان فكفارته اطعام عشرة مساكين من اوسط ماتطعمون اهليكم او كسوتهم او تحرير رقبة فمن لم يجد فصيام ثلاثة ايام ذلك كفارة ايمانكم اذا حلفتم واحفظوا ايمانكم كذلك يبين الله لكم اياته لعلكم تشكرون

[005:089] Allah will not hold you responsible for whatever is not meant or deliberate in your oaths. But He will take you to task for whatever you swear to and pledge in earnest. The penalty for that, (breaking your pledge), consists of either the feeding of ten poor people with the food you would give your own family on an average (day), or providing them with clothing; or the freeing of a slave او تحرير رقبة. The one who cannot afford any of that, may observe fasts for three days. That is the atonement for breaching your sworn pledges. So observe and abide by your oaths. Thus, Allah makes His message manifest for you, so you would be grateful!


‏24:33 وليستعفف الذين لايجدون نكاحا حتى يغنيهم الله من فضله والذين يبتغون الكتاب مما ملكت ايمانكم فكاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم ولاتكرهوا فتياتكم على البغاء ان اردن تحصنا لتبتغوا عرض الحياة الدنيا ومن يكرههن فان الله من بعد اكراههن غفور رحيم

[024:033]  Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum) والذين يبتغون الكتاب, give them such a deed if ye know any good in them كاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),


In general, give for the LOVE OF ALLAH financial support to kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones.  Please see Noble Verses:  2:177, 2:215, 2:83, 2:220, 9:24, 17:26, 90:11-17, 58:3, 5:89, 4:92, 24:33.

And there are several punishments for guilty Muslims that require, or have the option, of freeing slaves.  I have listed them in the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm



I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2017, 11:28:47 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.

CAN NOT:

1-  Have sex with his married or single male slave.
2-  Have sex with an animal.

A Muslim woman can only have sex with her husband.



Slavery to be Ended:

However, the Laws of of the Glorious Quran Command all Muslims to end all slavery in the land.  In fact, Allah Almighty called this a MONUMENTAL TASK upon all Muslims:

From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm

Free a slave!  It is the harder course:

‏90:11 فلا اقتحم العقبة
‏90:12 وماادراك ماالعقبة
‏90:13 فك رقبة

[090:011]  But man does not attempt the harder (uphill course).
[090:012]  And how would you know what the harder course (of action) is?
[090:013] (It is) freeing slaves, فك رقبة



‏2:177 ليس البر ان تولوا وجوهكم قبل المشرق والمغرب ولكن البر من امن بالله واليوم الاخر والملائكة والكتاب والنبيين واتى المال على حبه ذوى القربى واليتامى والمساكين وابن السبيل والسائلين وفي الرقاب واقام الصلاة واتى الزكاة والموفون بعهدهم اذا عاهدوا والصابرين في الباساء والضراء وحين الباس اولئك الذين صدقوا واولئك هم المتقون

[002:177] Piety is not (a ritual requiring) that you turn your faces towards the East or the West (during ‘salat’). Rather, pious is he who believes (firmly) in Allah, the last day, the angels, the scriptures, and the prophets. (Pious is he, who) spends his wealth (in charity) _ out of love for Him _ on his kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves وفي الرقاب. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones!


‏5:89 لايؤاخذكم الله باللغو في ايمانكم ولكن يؤاخذكم بما عقدتم الايمان فكفارته اطعام عشرة مساكين من اوسط ماتطعمون اهليكم او كسوتهم او تحرير رقبة فمن لم يجد فصيام ثلاثة ايام ذلك كفارة ايمانكم اذا حلفتم واحفظوا ايمانكم كذلك يبين الله لكم اياته لعلكم تشكرون

[005:089] Allah will not hold you responsible for whatever is not meant or deliberate in your oaths. But He will take you to task for whatever you swear to and pledge in earnest. The penalty for that, (breaking your pledge), consists of either the feeding of ten poor people with the food you would give your own family on an average (day), or providing them with clothing; or the freeing of a slave او تحرير رقبة. The one who cannot afford any of that, may observe fasts for three days. That is the atonement for breaching your sworn pledges. So observe and abide by your oaths. Thus, Allah makes His message manifest for you, so you would be grateful!


‏24:33 وليستعفف الذين لايجدون نكاحا حتى يغنيهم الله من فضله والذين يبتغون الكتاب مما ملكت ايمانكم فكاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم ولاتكرهوا فتياتكم على البغاء ان اردن تحصنا لتبتغوا عرض الحياة الدنيا ومن يكرههن فان الله من بعد اكراههن غفور رحيم

[024:033]  Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum) والذين يبتغون الكتاب, give them such a deed if ye know any good in them كاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),


In general, give for the LOVE OF ALLAH financial support to kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones.  Please see Noble Verses:  2:177, 2:215, 2:83, 2:220, 9:24, 17:26, 90:11-17, 58:3, 5:89, 4:92, 24:33.

And there are several punishments for guilty Muslims that require, or have the option, of freeing slaves.  I have listed them in the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm



I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Thanks, now it's clear..but there's something that i don't understand

Can you explain the surah 24:33 it's saying that if someone  compels the slaves, that God will forgive him?! Or what please explain  all of that verse in simple English

Also Another question: You said that Muslim can have sex with a slave female, but regarding the verses that you gave me it's clear that he can't force them right? and it's up to the female slave to decide if yes or not. right? But can a Muslim have sex with a slave female without marrying her?

and Thanks

Offline Sama

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.
Jazakum Allahu khaira for all your work for Islam may Allah accept it and have mercy upon us all.

Regarding the second point, this is from islamqa:
" It is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with his slave woman who is married; whoever does that has committed a haraam (forbidden) action and is to be punished.

Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni: if he marries off his slave woman, then it is forbidden for him to have intercourse with her… There is no doubt and no dispute concerning the prohibition on his having intercourse with her, for she is now permissible to her husband, and no woman can be permissible to two men. If he has intercourse with her then he is guilty of sin and must be punished. Ahmad said, he should be flogged but not stoned, i.e., his punishment (ta’zeer) should take the form of flogging.

Vol. 9, p. 497.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid"

Allah knows best.

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2017, 04:02:05 AM »
Brother Osama, please reply!?

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2017, 10:08:44 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Not all Muslims agree that the Muslim owner is forbidden from having sex with his already married disbelieving slave female.  There is nothing wrong with this, since Allah Almighty has stated clearly that He has made custom Laws and Creeds to us and to the people before us:

‏‏5:48 وانزلنا اليك الكتاب بالحق مصدقا لما بين يديه من الكتاب ومهيمنا عليه فاحكم بينهم بما انزل الله ولاتتبع اهواءهم عما جاءك من الحق لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا ولو شاء الله لجعلكم امة واحدة ولكن ليبلوكم فيما اتاكم فاستبقوا الخيرات الى الله مرجعكم جميعا فينبئكم بما كنتم فيه تختلفون

[005:048]  To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

I have demonstrated this from the Bible and the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_ishmael.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm



As to raping the female slave girl, you're not supposed to, and you're also not supposed to force her into prostitution.  But however, you do have the right upon her to have sex with her, because you own her.  Therefore, if she's not reasonable with you, then you can force her.  But Islam Commands the Muslims to be very kind and caring and thoughtful to their slaves also:

www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm

So the Muslim master has to balance and be fair.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline Syedsamad

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2017, 12:30:03 AM »
Assalamualaikum I would like to add a point somewhere I read that a Muslim can have sex only with a believer slave and also can not force her (means only when she agrees upon have sex) is that true ???

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2017, 01:37:33 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam.  You got that backward, akhi.  The Muslim believer is free through Islam.  Yes, she can still be a slave, but Muslims are supposed to free all Muslim slaves, and to end all slavery in general, including freeing non-Muslim slaves also.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline A proud Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2017, 05:06:41 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

I am very sorry for the mean post that I posted earlier.  I have removed it.  I sincerely hope that you accept my apology.



Regarding the New Sperm:

From www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology:

Notice the accuracy in the description:
   
‏23:12 ولقد خلقنا الانسان من سلالة من طين
‏23:13 ثم جعلناه نطفة في قرار مكين

[023:012]  Man We did create from a quintessence of clay سلالة;
[023:013] Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه as (a drop of) sperm zygote نطفة in a place of rest, firmly fixed قرار مكين;




Here Allah Almighty Said that the SULALAH (best sperm) سلالة is placed AS A NUTFAH (zygote) نطفة  in the PLACE OF REST قرار مكين. Clearly, this is referring to the male-sperm when it gets placed into the woman's egg after piercing it.  The egg now becomes a zygote cell, or a fertilized egg.  And of course, the Noble Verse is also referring to the entire womb in general, since the fertilized egg travels down the fallopian tube into the uterus. This journey takes between 1 to 2 days, and the egg will attach itself to the uterine lining, or the endometrium, to begin the pregnancy.

1.  "Then We placed made him as (a drop of) sperm zygote..."  Refers to male sperm when it enters the egg, and the now-fertilized egg, with the sperm in it, as one Nutfah (sperm) placed in "a place of rest, firmly fixed".  In other words, when the fertilized egg attaches itself inside the womb to begin the pregnancy.

2. "Then We placed made him ثم جعلناه ..."  Throughout the Glorious Quran, Allah Almighty used the Noble Word جعلنا , to mean:

Something "We made from multiple things"
--OR--
something "we evolved".

I have pointed this out before and thoroughly demonstrated it from the Glorious Quran at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htmHere I quote.....


Please continue reading the article.  There is a lot more from the Glorious Quran.


Once again, I am very sorry for the mean post earlier, akhi.  May Allah Almighty forgive me.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear Osama,

I do accept your apology, anyway Thanks so much for this explanation! I couldn't have find better than this! I swear that was the best explanation far i have expected!

Thanks for your efforts!

Regards,,,

Hello again, I just wanted to ask another question since that nurfah means "zygote" then what does "mingled nutfah" mean? and Thanks


Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2017, 11:58:00 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Nutfah AMSHAJ means a mixed or mingled zygote.  As I showed from the dictionaries in www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology :


مشج (mashaja):  خلط (khalata) mingled or mixed.

In Arabic today, KHALLAT means a blended smoothie.  It has the same root word as khalata.  It is KHALLAT because the fruits and water in it are all mixed up together.

In Arabic, we also say there is a KHALT, which means there is a mix up, which caused a misunderstanding in what was communicated.  There is a mix up in what the receiving person understood from what was intended in the message that was communicated to him/her.


So when the male's sperm pierces through the female's egg and both become a zygote, then this zygote is indeed a mixed sperm.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

What's new | A-Z | Discuss & Blog | Youtube