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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 10:38:22 PM »
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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2017, 10:50:57 PM »
No dear brother, you do not owe me any apology.  It was all my fault.  I've acted like a short-tempred big obnoxious jerk.  No fault from your side, akhi.

Jazaka Allah Khayr.  Please ask all of your questions freely, akhi.  I will do my utmost best to thoroughly answer them, insha'Allah.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2017, 02:12:52 PM »
Well, here's another question, does the Quran tell you to have sex with slaves?

According to this verse: 23:5-6

And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

Please explain this and thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2017, 04:37:15 PM »
Well, here's another question, does the Quran tell you to have sex with slaves?

According to this verse: 23:5-6

And they who guard their private parts Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -

Please explain this and thanks.
People used to have slaves in the past. God stated that the relationship between a slave girl with her master is not forbidden. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with free men or women. They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Female slaves who can afford living hoped to be in relationship with masters, which they equate with "freedom". If a female slave had a child [boy or girl] from the master, she is then honored with the title; “Um al Walad” (mother of the child), and she is freed after the death of her provider.

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2017, 06:41:54 PM »
Here is the simpliest way to understand this. Adultry and fornication is haram, but the slave owner can marry the slave and thus can have sex, that is halal. But marrying also means that the slave owner has to give her all rights that quran says. Meaning ur marrying her as ur sister in islam not a slave rhat u can marry for sex alone and trow away or give no rights to.

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2017, 06:07:17 AM »
So the slave's owner can have sex with slaves without marrying them?!

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2017, 07:03:55 AM »
yes , lawful sex is permitted thru bondage of husband/wife and also master/right hand posess

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2017, 07:14:01 AM »
Well?? I need Osama to reply, i think that he will explain better

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2017, 07:31:57 AM »
What the explanation is you can have sexual intercourse with the slave,but however you need to MARRY the slave first,and when you do,you need to free the slave and give the slave what the quran tells you to give your wife,money,etc

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2017, 08:36:28 AM »
What the explanation is you can have sexual intercourse with the slave,but however you need to MARRY the slave first,and when you do,you need to free the slave and give the slave what the quran tells you to give your wife,money,etc

Well that's better, but can you show me where the Quran says that you need to marry the slave first in order to have sex with the slave? and thanks!

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2017, 10:15:59 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.

CAN NOT:

1-  Have sex with his married or single male slave.
2-  Have sex with an animal.

A Muslim woman can only have sex with her husband.



Slavery to be Ended:

However, the Laws of of the Glorious Quran Command all Muslims to end all slavery in the land.  In fact, Allah Almighty called this a MONUMENTAL TASK upon all Muslims:

From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm

Free a slave!  It is the harder course:

‏90:11 فلا اقتحم العقبة
‏90:12 وماادراك ماالعقبة
‏90:13 فك رقبة

[090:011]  But man does not attempt the harder (uphill course).
[090:012]  And how would you know what the harder course (of action) is?
[090:013] (It is) freeing slaves, فك رقبة



‏2:177 ليس البر ان تولوا وجوهكم قبل المشرق والمغرب ولكن البر من امن بالله واليوم الاخر والملائكة والكتاب والنبيين واتى المال على حبه ذوى القربى واليتامى والمساكين وابن السبيل والسائلين وفي الرقاب واقام الصلاة واتى الزكاة والموفون بعهدهم اذا عاهدوا والصابرين في الباساء والضراء وحين الباس اولئك الذين صدقوا واولئك هم المتقون

[002:177] Piety is not (a ritual requiring) that you turn your faces towards the East or the West (during ‘salat’). Rather, pious is he who believes (firmly) in Allah, the last day, the angels, the scriptures, and the prophets. (Pious is he, who) spends his wealth (in charity) _ out of love for Him _ on his kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves وفي الرقاب. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones!


‏5:89 لايؤاخذكم الله باللغو في ايمانكم ولكن يؤاخذكم بما عقدتم الايمان فكفارته اطعام عشرة مساكين من اوسط ماتطعمون اهليكم او كسوتهم او تحرير رقبة فمن لم يجد فصيام ثلاثة ايام ذلك كفارة ايمانكم اذا حلفتم واحفظوا ايمانكم كذلك يبين الله لكم اياته لعلكم تشكرون

[005:089] Allah will not hold you responsible for whatever is not meant or deliberate in your oaths. But He will take you to task for whatever you swear to and pledge in earnest. The penalty for that, (breaking your pledge), consists of either the feeding of ten poor people with the food you would give your own family on an average (day), or providing them with clothing; or the freeing of a slave او تحرير رقبة. The one who cannot afford any of that, may observe fasts for three days. That is the atonement for breaching your sworn pledges. So observe and abide by your oaths. Thus, Allah makes His message manifest for you, so you would be grateful!


‏24:33 وليستعفف الذين لايجدون نكاحا حتى يغنيهم الله من فضله والذين يبتغون الكتاب مما ملكت ايمانكم فكاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم ولاتكرهوا فتياتكم على البغاء ان اردن تحصنا لتبتغوا عرض الحياة الدنيا ومن يكرههن فان الله من بعد اكراههن غفور رحيم

[024:033]  Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum) والذين يبتغون الكتاب, give them such a deed if ye know any good in them كاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),


In general, give for the LOVE OF ALLAH financial support to kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones.  Please see Noble Verses:  2:177, 2:215, 2:83, 2:220, 9:24, 17:26, 90:11-17, 58:3, 5:89, 4:92, 24:33.

And there are several punishments for guilty Muslims that require, or have the option, of freeing slaves.  I have listed them in the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm



I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2017, 11:28:47 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.

CAN NOT:

1-  Have sex with his married or single male slave.
2-  Have sex with an animal.

A Muslim woman can only have sex with her husband.



Slavery to be Ended:

However, the Laws of of the Glorious Quran Command all Muslims to end all slavery in the land.  In fact, Allah Almighty called this a MONUMENTAL TASK upon all Muslims:

From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm

Free a slave!  It is the harder course:

‏90:11 فلا اقتحم العقبة
‏90:12 وماادراك ماالعقبة
‏90:13 فك رقبة

[090:011]  But man does not attempt the harder (uphill course).
[090:012]  And how would you know what the harder course (of action) is?
[090:013] (It is) freeing slaves, فك رقبة



‏2:177 ليس البر ان تولوا وجوهكم قبل المشرق والمغرب ولكن البر من امن بالله واليوم الاخر والملائكة والكتاب والنبيين واتى المال على حبه ذوى القربى واليتامى والمساكين وابن السبيل والسائلين وفي الرقاب واقام الصلاة واتى الزكاة والموفون بعهدهم اذا عاهدوا والصابرين في الباساء والضراء وحين الباس اولئك الذين صدقوا واولئك هم المتقون

[002:177] Piety is not (a ritual requiring) that you turn your faces towards the East or the West (during ‘salat’). Rather, pious is he who believes (firmly) in Allah, the last day, the angels, the scriptures, and the prophets. (Pious is he, who) spends his wealth (in charity) _ out of love for Him _ on his kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves وفي الرقاب. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones!


‏5:89 لايؤاخذكم الله باللغو في ايمانكم ولكن يؤاخذكم بما عقدتم الايمان فكفارته اطعام عشرة مساكين من اوسط ماتطعمون اهليكم او كسوتهم او تحرير رقبة فمن لم يجد فصيام ثلاثة ايام ذلك كفارة ايمانكم اذا حلفتم واحفظوا ايمانكم كذلك يبين الله لكم اياته لعلكم تشكرون

[005:089] Allah will not hold you responsible for whatever is not meant or deliberate in your oaths. But He will take you to task for whatever you swear to and pledge in earnest. The penalty for that, (breaking your pledge), consists of either the feeding of ten poor people with the food you would give your own family on an average (day), or providing them with clothing; or the freeing of a slave او تحرير رقبة. The one who cannot afford any of that, may observe fasts for three days. That is the atonement for breaching your sworn pledges. So observe and abide by your oaths. Thus, Allah makes His message manifest for you, so you would be grateful!


‏24:33 وليستعفف الذين لايجدون نكاحا حتى يغنيهم الله من فضله والذين يبتغون الكتاب مما ملكت ايمانكم فكاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم ولاتكرهوا فتياتكم على البغاء ان اردن تحصنا لتبتغوا عرض الحياة الدنيا ومن يكرههن فان الله من بعد اكراههن غفور رحيم

[024:033]  Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum) والذين يبتغون الكتاب, give them such a deed if ye know any good in them كاتبوهم ان علمتم فيهم خيرا: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you واتوهم من مال الله الذي اتاكم. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),


In general, give for the LOVE OF ALLAH financial support to kinsfolk, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer. (Pious is the one who) gives (help) to those who ask (for help), and (spends money) to free slaves. And (pious are those who) establish ‘salat’, pay the ‘zakat’, and fulfill the pledges made by them. Those who endure and display fortitude during poverty and adversity, and during times of crises. Such are the people who are sincere! Such are the pious ones.  Please see Noble Verses:  2:177, 2:215, 2:83, 2:220, 9:24, 17:26, 90:11-17, 58:3, 5:89, 4:92, 24:33.

And there are several punishments for guilty Muslims that require, or have the option, of freeing slaves.  I have listed them in the following links:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm



I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Thanks, now it's clear..but there's something that i don't understand

Can you explain the surah 24:33 it's saying that if someone  compels the slaves, that God will forgive him?! Or what please explain  all of that verse in simple English

Also Another question: You said that Muslim can have sex with a slave female, but regarding the verses that you gave me it's clear that he can't force them right? and it's up to the female slave to decide if yes or not. right? But can a Muslim have sex with a slave female without marrying her?

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2017, 12:21:39 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

While I appreciate brother Proud Muslim for requesting me to answer this question, but I am the least among you.

In Islam, a Muslim man can:

1-  Have sex with his single slave female.
2-  Have sex with his married slave female.
Jazakum Allahu khaira for all your work for Islam may Allah accept it and have mercy upon us all.

Regarding the second point, this is from islamqa:
" It is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with his slave woman who is married; whoever does that has committed a haraam (forbidden) action and is to be punished.

Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni: if he marries off his slave woman, then it is forbidden for him to have intercourse with her… There is no doubt and no dispute concerning the prohibition on his having intercourse with her, for she is now permissible to her husband, and no woman can be permissible to two men. If he has intercourse with her then he is guilty of sin and must be punished. Ahmad said, he should be flogged but not stoned, i.e., his punishment (ta’zeer) should take the form of flogging.

Vol. 9, p. 497.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid"

Allah knows best.

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Re: Scientific error in the Quran?! Please help...
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2017, 04:02:05 AM »
Brother Osama, please reply!?

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2017, 10:08:44 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Not all Muslims agree that the Muslim owner is forbidden from having sex with his already married disbelieving slave female.  There is nothing wrong with this, since Allah Almighty has stated clearly that He has made custom Laws and Creeds to us and to the people before us:

‏‏5:48 وانزلنا اليك الكتاب بالحق مصدقا لما بين يديه من الكتاب ومهيمنا عليه فاحكم بينهم بما انزل الله ولاتتبع اهواءهم عما جاءك من الحق لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا ولو شاء الله لجعلكم امة واحدة ولكن ليبلوكم فيما اتاكم فاستبقوا الخيرات الى الله مرجعكم جميعا فينبئكم بما كنتم فيه تختلفون

[005:048]  To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

I have demonstrated this from the Bible and the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_ishmael.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm



As to raping the female slave girl, you're not supposed to, and you're also not supposed to force her into prostitution.  But however, you do have the right upon her to have sex with her, because you own her.  Therefore, if she's not reasonable with you, then you can force her.  But Islam Commands the Muslims to be very kind and caring and thoughtful to their slaves also:

www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm

So the Muslim master has to balance and be fair.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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