You have separated Islam with Shi'ism. I find that highly offensive.
"The shia scholars boldly justify this by saying that Allah is far and doesn't always hear us, nor is He always connected with us. The people of the Bayt (House of the Prophet) are always connected to us and always listen to us and always intercede for us"
"Islam came to fight and end shirk (associating partners with Allah Almighty)"
I despise hadith. More than that, I despise those who separate Shi'as despite the Qur'an specifically warning against the punishments for dividing the Muslims. After the 1500s, we started going backwards. One cause: Lack of unity. I'd rather leave Islam like I did before than be divided.
although the shia are misguided they are, technically, still muslims since they only worship the one God
Jewish belief 1 - Allah has arms and feet
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 541:Narrated Abu Huraira:
2) A she monkey committed adultery
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes.
I don't give a crap about whether Shi'as split or not. We must ban the evil hadith that says Moses slapped the angel of death causing him to say "you sent me to a servant who doesn't wanna die".Where is your proof Bukhari was a jew?
Why change the hadith? Admit it. The exact words were that Moses slapped the angel of death. Don't change it. Justify it for what it is.No one changed the hadith. Its laughable that you made such a stupid claim. Getting desperate are we?
I think it depends on which branch of the shia,Zaydis are very very similar to sunnis.
I think twelvers and zaydis could be considered muslim
Also some branches of the ismailis could be to
However im not sure Alevis could be considered.
Also Alawis, but i think Alevis are more muslim than Alawis.
But the twelvers and zaydis only believe that Ali should have succeeded the prophet, they recognize him as human and only human, although a human in which God has given divine wisdom and courage. However others, such as the alawis dont treat him as such. I repeat only a minority of the shia treat ali as a divine being, such as the alawis and possibly alevis.
Peace
Im not arguing that some shia worship Ali, God be with him, and/or the Ahlul bayt, God be with them, however, I know that the Twelvers and Zaydis dont worship Ahlul Bayt, even their adhan and shahada is there is no god but (the) God.
Alawis treat Ali, God be with him, as divine, however they say that “We are Alawi Muslims. Our book is the Quran. Our prophet is Muhammad. The Ka`ba is our qibla, and our religion is Islam." Ali Sulayman al-Ahmad (syrian alawi muslim)
I cant say for sure they could be considered Muslims (Alawis at least), but Twelvers and Zaidis are muslims because for them, Ali, God be with him, is a righteous man, even, in terms of divinity less than the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.
This also includes some Ismail sects.
as for others, i dont like to accuse them of being non believers because:
1. I'm not 100% sure (who can be), they could be just misguided, God knows best, its his judgment
2. Isn't it a sin to accuse those that call themselves Muslims to be believers or polytheists?
Anyway, God knows best, however, it think that you should at least change the name from "shia" to "Islam (Shia).
One is not a polytheist purely because he does not accept Abu Bakr as the successor of the prophet.
QuoteOne is not a polytheist purely because he does not accept Abu Bakr as the successor of the prophet.
1- Muawiyah is still a Muslim. No one can call him a kaafir.
I just want you to see these indisputable facts. While I am with Ali with all my heart, but quite honestly, I JUST WISH HE NEVER RULED!
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
so did sahih bukhari taliban muttawaSo true! The Prophet PBUH also ate pork AND Jesus PBUH is actually Ganesh.
To brother Osama,
In the defence of Ali (as), waliyillah
Al-Majlisi narrated from Al-Sadooq that Ali bin Hathram said: “I attended a council with Ahmed bin Hanbal. Ali bin Abi Talib was mentioned. He said: A Sunni could not be a true Sunni unless he held something negative regarding Ali in his heart.â€
Bihar Al-Anwar, Volume 49, Page 261
Narrated By Abu Mijlaz: From Qais bin Ubad: 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, "I shall be the first man to kneel down before (Allah), the Beneficent to receive His judgment on the day of Resurrection (in my favor)." Qais bin Ubad also said, "The following Verse was revealed in their connection: "These two opponents believers and disbelievers) Dispute with each other About their Lord." (22.19) Qais said that they were those who fought on the day of Badr, namely, Hamza, 'Ali, 'Ubaida or Abu 'Ubaida bin Al-Harith, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, 'Utba and Al-Wahd bin Utba.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 304
Narrated By Salama: Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Apostle?" So 'Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Apostle said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came 'Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is 'Ali." Allah's Apostle gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 52
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 520
*Note the stature of Ali (as), he will be the first to be judged by Allah (SWT), before all other caliphs, he was also given the flag of leadership rather than Abu Bakr and Umar and was given victory by Allah (SWT), it was he who washed and shrouded the holy body of the prophet (saww) and then buried him while the other caliphs left before the burial and washing. After the burial Ali (as) collected the Quran, not Abu Bakr, Abu Bakr and Umar were getting people to pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr:
After the death of the Holy Prophet (saww), Ali sat down in his house and said that he had sworn an oath that he would not put on his outdoor clothes or leave his house until he collects together the Quran.
Fat'hul Bari in Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Volume 10, Page 386
Al-Fihrist, by (Ibn) an-Nadim, Page 30
Al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, Volume 1, Page 165
Al-Masahif, by Ibn Abi Dawood, Page 10
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 1, Page 67
Al-Sahibi, by Ibn Faris, Page 79
'Umdatul Qari, by al-Ayni, Volume 20, Page 16
Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Volume 15, Page 112-113
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 9, Section 4, Page 197
Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 1, Page 31
Allah's Apostle (saww) said: "There will be affliction after me, therefore whenever it happens follow Ali bin Abi Talib because he separates between the truth and falsehood"
Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 914 Number 32964
Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 621 Number 33016
"Whoever obeys 'Ali, obeys me, whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, whoever disobeys 'Ali, disobeys me, whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah"
Kanz al-Ummal, Number 32973
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."
Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 12, Page289
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 10, Page 21-22
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 247
The Messenger of Allah (saww) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"
Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, Page 62
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Holy prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Whoso obeys me obeys God, and whoso disobeys me disobeys God. Whoso obeys the commander (appointed by me) obeys me, and whoso disobeys the commander disobeys me.
Sahih Muslim, Book 20, Number 4518
Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle(may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.
Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 141
"We recognised the hypocrites by their hatred of Ali."
Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 639, Number 1086
Al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Volume 3, Page 47
Al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Volume 3, Page 242
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 91
The Messenger of Allah said: "Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of
hypocrisy."
Sahih Muslim, Volume 1, Page 48
Sahih Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 643
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 142
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 84
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 95
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 128
Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Part 1, Page 202
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 185
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 14, Page 462
The prophet said: "Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master. O God! Love those who love him and be hostile to those who are hostile to him?"
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 2, Page 298
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 63
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 12
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 43
Abu Huraira narrated: The Prophet (pbuh) looked towards Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut), and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 699
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 52
Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 767, Number 1350
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 149
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 9, Page 169
Al-Kabir, by Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 30
Al-Awsat Jamius Saghir, by al-Ibani, Volume 2, Page 17
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 7, Page 137
Sawai'q al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 221
Talkhis, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 3, Page 149
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 25
Riyadh al Nadhira Volume 2, Page 199, Chapter "Manaqib 'Ali"
Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Number 6145
*First note that “(pbut)†is mentioned in the hadith when referring to “Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut)†so saying ‘pbuh’ to the members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is said even in Sunni sources. Note the prophet (saww) said "I am in the state of war with those who will fight youâ€, whoever is at war with the prophet (saww) is at war with Allah (SWT), this includes Yazid (la) and his father Muawiya (la). Aisha had a massive grudge against Ali (as) that she even went to “war†against him in the battle of the camel which claimed the lives of up to thirty thousand believers, she continued to hate him till she died and even hated his sons, she had shot an arrow on the tomb of Hassan Ibn Ali (as) from close range. Even during the life of the prophet she hated Ali (as) that she would not mention his name:
Narrated Az-Zuhari: Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah told me that 'Aisha had said, "When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground. He was walking between Al-'Abbas and another man." 'Ubaidullah said, "When I informed Ibn 'Abbas of what 'Aisha had said, he asked me whether I knew who was the second man whom 'Aisha had not named. I replied in the negative. He said, 'He was 'Ali bin Abi Talib."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 761
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 745
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727
*She even denied Ali (as) was the successor of the prophet as she wanted her father to be his successor:
Narrated Al-Aswad: It was mentioned in the presence of 'Aisha that the Prophet had appointed 'Ali as successor by will. Thereupon she said, "Who said so? I saw the Prophet, while I was supporting him against my chest. He asked for a tray, and then fell on one side and expired, and I did not feel it. So how (do the people say) he appointed 'Ali as his successor?"
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 736
The prophet (saww) had appointed his cousin, Ali, as the caliph over the Muslims after him and had ordered his companions and his wives to congratulate him for this leadership over the believers in Ghadir Khum. Abu Bakr was among the first people to say: "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 281
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Volume 12, Page 49-50
Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khateeb al-Tabrizi, Page 557
Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, Volume 1, Part 3, Page 144
Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari
Al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah
Al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala
Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn 'Uqdah
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 29 from Abu Huraira
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 596 from Abu Huraira
"Ata Ibn Yasar, who says that a certain person came to Aisha and began to use impudent and abusive words for Ali while Ammar, was in her presence. She said to him: "As regards Ali, I have nothing to tell you, but as regards Ammar, I have heard the Messenger of Allah saying about him that if he has to make a choice between two things he will always choose that which is better from the point of view of good guidance and salvation."
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 6, Page 113
The Prophet of Allah (saww) beckoned to Ali to come close. He came close until he sat between him and Aisha, and he and the Prophet (saww) were clung together. She said to him "Can you not find a seat for this one except on my thigh?" Ibn Abil Hadid also reported that one day the Prophet of Allah (saww) was walking with Imam Ali and the conversation became prolonged. Aisha approached as she was walking from behind until she came between them saying: "What is it between you two that you are taking so long?" Upon this the Prophet of Allah (saww) became angry.
Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, Volume 9, Page 195
Abu Bakr once came to the Prophet of Allah (saww), and sought permission to enter. Before he went in, he heard Aisha's voice raised, saying to the Prophet (saww): "By Allah! I surely know that Ali is dearer to you than me and my father", she repeated this twice or three times".
Musnad Ahmad Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 275
*When Aisha heard of the assassination of Imam Ali (as), she knelt and thanked Allah!!! See History of al-Tabari and the History of Ibn al-Athir on the events of the year 40 AH. She did the same when she heard his wife Fatima Al-Zahra (as) had died from the attack of Umar. She was also involved in intercepting the funeral procession of al-Hassan, the leader of the Heaven's youth, by ordering her followers to shoot arrows on his coffin and she had shot an arrow herself from close range and she also prevented his burial beside his grandfather (the Prophet (saww)), and she said: "Do not let anybody that I don't like enter my house."
Narrated Abu Huraira Ad-Dausi: Once the Prophet went out during the day. Neither did he talk to me nor I to him till he reached the market of Bani Qainuqa and then he sat in the compound of Fatima's house and asked about the small boy (his grandson Al-Hassan) but Fatima kept the boy in for a while. I thought she was either changing his clothes or giving the boy a bath. After a while the boy came out running and the Prophet embraced and kissed him and then said, 'O Allah! Love him, and love whoever loves him.'
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 333
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 90-92
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 772
*Ali (as) also thought bad of Abu Bakr and Umar:
...They said: Yes. Then he adjured Abbas and 'All as he had adjured the other persons and asked: Do you both know this? They said: Yes. He said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said: "I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: "We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest....
Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4349-4350
*Sunni scholars will reply to their own hadith by saying Ali (as) named three of his sons, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. This is true but we will ridicule this logic. First Abu Bakr is a kunya, a kind of nickname meaning the father of Bakr so this just shows the scholars who don’t speak Arabic don’t speak Arabic. For the case of Umar and Uthman, was there only one Umar and one Uthman? Their names were widely used, their names weren’t like Hussein which was given by Gabriel (as) to Muhammad (saww) to name the son of Ali (as) after Ali (as) wanted the prophet (saww) to name Hussein (as), a name never used before. One of the governors put in position by Ali (as) had the name Uthman so Ali (as) had loyal companions called Umar and Uthman. Furthermore, Ali (as) said he did not call one of his sons Uthman after the tyrant Uthman, however this is from a Shia hadith so you can choose to ignore it even though we have proved Uthman was a tyrant. Many Sunni hadiths are found in Shia books by the way, only the lies and fabrications are not included. In final, Ali (as) did not name his sons after the three tyrants, nor did the three tyrants name their sons Ali.
Ali (as) is not childish like Muawiya (la) who would curse Ali (as) and encourage people to ridicule anyone with the name Ali so much so people would name their sons Ali just to curse them. One should hate one’s deeds and not his appearance or name. For example, I hate Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab (la), the founder of the terrorist sect Wahhabism named after the founder. However that does not mean I will never name my son Muhammad, the name of the last prophet (saww), or AbdulWahhab, Al-Wahhab being one of the names of Allah (SWT). So if someone is your enemy, it doesn’t mean you hold a grudge against their name and curse anyone with that name like Muawiya (la). It can still be said; why did the prophet (saww) marry two of his daughter to Uthman, why did Lut (as) offer his daughter to the unbelievers?
The prophet (saww) said: "Allah have mercy on Ali. Allah make the right and truth with Ali in all situations".
Sunan al Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 297
The Prophet told Ali : "You shall inform my nation about the truth and what they dispute after me."
Kanzul Ummal, by Ali Muttaqi al Hind, Volume 2, Page 612 (Korab Dhieri, Multan)
Al Mustadrak al Hakim, Volume 3, Page 122
This was to prove the greatness of Ali (as), please reply to this and the intercessing Shias do, then I will move on to another topic being misconceptions of Shia and then after that I will move on to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. I don't curse them in my work as I know you love them too much.
They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Quran 12:97-98
Narrated By Anas: I heard the Prophet saying, "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, "O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts." Such people will enter Paradise, and then I will say, 'O (Allah) admit into Paradise (even) those who have the least amount of faith in their hearts." Anas then said: As if I were just now looking at the fingers of Allah's Apostle.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 600
Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.
sallam brother,
Shia Islam is not a non-Muslim political religion, its the true Islam, the Ahlul-Bayt (as) preached only what the prophet (saww) preached, the Sunnis follow the innovations of Umar, I will paste the part of my document showing from Sunni sources the innovations of Umar as well as his crimes, including rape!
I just wan't brother Osama to respond to my earlier comments first as he said he "If your religion is correct, then I'll follow it TODAY!". He thought Shias worshipped the Ahlul-Bayt (as), Adhubillah, hopefully he wii know the truth about the Shia, the fastest growing sect within Islam as it is truth and then turn on the scholars that lied to him and the rest of their followers about the Shia just as the Christians did to Islam a few centuries back.
He did afterall say about correctness of religion, "If it's not, then I'll continue to fight it." Imam Hussein (as) said before he sacrificed himself, his companions and his family that he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather, the prophet (saww), preached. So if you are a Shia, you are infact a Muslim, a true Muslim, if there were no other sects we would claim to be Muslims only but since this division happened from the innovated religion we now call ourselves the Shia of Ali (as) as "Ibrahim (as) was from the Shia of Nuh (as)" as said in Surah as-Saffat.
Since you have brought up the prostration on earth, I will paste the part of my document about this for you:
Ban this shia fool.
Sallam
before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.
Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.
Now suppose you open their sections, and read their many articles and find out that most of their articles are low and despicable ones! The overwhelming majority of them are:
1- Pornographic.
2- Alcohol promoting.
3- Drugs promoting.
4- Prostitution seeking and promoting.
5- Contain COUNTLESS f*** words in them.
IN THE HOLY NAME OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY I ASK YOU THIS AMAR: What would this say about Osama Abdallah, the owner of www.answering-christianity.com then? Answer this with all honesty if you are not a liar and a coward!
I follow the Islam that Umar, Abubakr, Aisha followed.
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) gave to me is the one I follow, not your jewish Shiite sect LOL.
LMAO. This Shia fool is an idiot.
You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointlessNever heard him say it yet, accusation! Btw, saying stuff like "hell is too cold for you" or "Keep cutting yourself with knives. The Doom of Hell is your final Abode" is not only Argument Ad Hominem but using scare tactics on children :O. Allah decides who goes to hell. Not Quransearchcom!
As'salamu Alaikum,
Before we begin, I'd like all readers to first watch this brief video about the despicable Shias and their pagan rituals to get a real perspective and feel of what we're talking about when we declare them to be true 100% polytheists and pagans:
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/despicable_shia_1.jpg) (http://www.answering-christianity.com/despicable_shias.wmv)
Warning!! Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open. See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.
Now to the refutation...Sallam
before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.
Wa Alaikum As'salam,
I know you're too polluted with your false religion of worshing creations. I get the same thing from the ignorant ones from the Christians about us supposedly worshing Prophet Muhammad. Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it. You are in the same absurd category of ignorance and polytheism. You continue to reduce Islam to debating mere creations, while I continue to say over and over and over that the reason why you're an infidel and believe in a repulsive religion of idol worship is because:
1- You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless, which is why you pray to Him through supplicating and praying THROUGH MERE CREATIONS. This is in direct conflict with ample Noble Verses such as the following:
"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
I also showed this from ample clips from your top scholars:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)
2- You worship mere creations (the people of Bayt) by directly and openly and shamelessly seeking their:
1- Protection.
2- Help.
3- Aid.
4- Mercy.
5- Blessings.
You even bow to their graves, come crawling to their graves, and openly worship their graves.
Here is what Allah Almighty Said about your people and repulsive pagan religion:
6:22 ويوم نحشرهم جميعا ثم نقول للذين اشركوا اين شركاؤكم الذين كنتم تزعمون
6:23 ثم لم تكن فتنتهم الا ان قالوا والله ربنا ما كنا مشركين
6:24 انظر كيف كذبوا على انفسهم وضل عنهم ما كانوا يفترون
[006:022] One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?"
[006:023] There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God."
[006:024] Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.
And also:
9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون
[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
3- Your bloody rituals, where you cut not only yourselves almost to death, but also your children are beyond repulsive:
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/despicable_shia_1.jpg) (http://www.answering-christianity.com/despicable_shias.wmv)
Warning!! Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open. See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.
Yet, according to Islam, you do not even own your own body. It belongs to Allah Almighty Alone, and it will testify for you and against you in the Day of Judgement. Yet, you not only cut your bodies, but you also cut your children as the video above shows:
"That day, their tongues, their hands and their feet would testify against them regarding what they used to do. (The Noble Quran, 24:24)"
"When you used to cover up and conceal your evil deeds, (you never considered) that your ears, your eyes and your skin would testify against you. In fact, you thought that (if you hide your deeds) Allah would not find out much of what you do. (The Noble Quran, 41:22)"
What more could be said about your repulsive and sick and demented pagan religion??QuoteWhy don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.
This is where you and your pagan Shias get ridiculous. Like I mentioned before:
1- The polytheist trinitarian pagans do not represent Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them. Christ and his Mother are innocent from them and their idol worship. Yet, the pagans constantly claim that everyone else HATES CHRIST, and is anti-Christ.
2- Similarly, the people of Bayt are innocent and pucking and disgusted from your pagan and false religion and people, and they are far far away from you. Your repulsive religion is so despicable, that Hell is too cold of a place for you. This is clearly shown in the video above.
And to answer your silly point: No, no Sunni on this earth hates the people of Bayt. In fact, we revere them so much, and love them so much that we defend them from infidels like your pagan people who worship them.
As to the rest of your ridiculous points and examples about people got upset that they slapped themselves or punched themselves, or grieved bad, those are examples of genuine grievances that don't mean anything here. You worship the people of the Bayt as I thoroughly demonstrated above.
And as to intercession, again, there is a difference between asking a pious person to make supplications or prayers for you before Allah Almighty, and you DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD, and the only way to do get GOD Almighty's Attention is by praying through the people of the Bayt. Your top scholars say this. Again see the ample clips about what they said:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)
You and I are talking about totally different things here.
This dialogue has further demonstrated how hopelessly deceived your pagan people are. Keep cutting yourself with knives. The Doom of Hell is your final Abode.
Osama Abdallah
Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?
Thank you brother Osama. I think we should use Jesus.breadoflife as a model.Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?
No bull about it brother. Truth seeking is never bull. I am not fighting with anyone here, and I am allowing Amar to speak his mind freely and to quote freely as he wishes. I really honestly want to see what the Shias have from evidence. I want their best arguments to be put forth. Plain and simple akhi. No need to be offended about it. I promise you and everyone that I'll tone down the responses. And yes akhi, people do change.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Shia is the original Islam, Imam Hussein (as) before he sacrificed himself said he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather preached. It was the Sunnis who deviated following the innovations of Umar and co. I will prove this soon from your sources but I first want brother Osama's reply before I move on.
Just to add, I'm honestly suprised you chose to ridicule the act of tatbir after reading my previous comment, you are basically ridiculing the prophet (saww).
OK OK I GET IT!Shut. The. [censored]. Up. No one bullying one another for your entertainment. Go troll somewhere else.
Islam is the religion of peace. I accept! Now please stop BULLYING people (like Amar) about who is stronger by slashing your backs with swords!!!
Shut. The. bad. Up.
LOL! Never realised that :D You got me. *Slaps hand*QuoteShut. The. bad. Up.
Hahahaha! Thank GOD my filter worked :). Bad bad bad Tanveer! :). hehehehhehe
3- You comment about Christians is in favour of my case, they say we worship Muhammad (saww). "Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it." I can say the same to you, it doesn't matter how many times I prove to you using the Quran and your hadiths, you "still don't get it."
You quote:
"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
Did I say Allah (SWT) won't listen to you unless you ask him in the name of Muhammad (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Let me re-paste what I said:
They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Quran 12:97-98
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.
Quran 4:64
Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.
Its starting to get really confusing , i'm following this topic and have read all post i think(ok maybe a few long ones) , i'm a Sunni and i was curious as to why Shia's called kafirs , i asked my mother about it and she said they were not kafirs and its very dangerous to call them kafirs because Allah knows best , if they are telling that they are Muslims , than the rest is between them and Allah , we must respect them because they are our brothers in Islam.
@TanveerAmar
1- Didn't you say use Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, well I proved Umar was kafir by using Sahih Bukhari. If you don't accept its Sahih then call it Bukhari and Muslim, again the pressure is on your sect, if you wan't to call them Sahih you have to accept whats inside.
2- The Shia videos are a shia talking about Bukhari and Muslim, giving facts about them, and the other video is a shia commentating while one of your Sunni scholars speaks, the one in brother Osama's video.
3- 'as' mean aley sallam, PBUH. You're not allowed to say that except for prophets (as), Adnan Aroor said this, he's one of your scholars and generally ask any other scholar they will say the same, simple internet check will do! I said not a Sunni, if you ain't Muslim you are kafir, I didn't say you will be kafir, I said you won't be following your school of thought.
4- you do know what 'Sahih' means yes? As long as its called Sahih Bukhari instead of Bukhari, you have to accept Umar is kafir. As Bukhari collected hadiths and called them all authentic and then put it in Sahih Bukhari, same with Muslim, aslong as you agree with them then you have to accept them, a simple thing to say is, Bukhari was wrong and hence be hated by Sunni scholars.
5- I give hadiths, most of what I put is your hadiths, don't call your own hadiths crap.
@laillahilAllah
Ali (as) does not need a dua saying may Allah be pleased with him, he is free from sins as Quran says in 33:33 for the Ahlul-Bayt (as)
@Osama
My comment proves your lies about Shia, you just want to mix other sects beliefs with Shia beliefs. Shias say ya Ali (as) as the prophet (saww) said ya Ali (as) whenever he wanted something done, its sunna. We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone. If Shias were idol worshippers all Sunni shiekhs would focus on that issue as then Shias can't say nothing as they go directly against the Quran like sunnis (5:6 is an example).
"Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today. The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna."
You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar.
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