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They seem to be refuting embryology with studies ?
http://dawahganda.blogspot.com
I'm confused whether or not these are actual muslims !
I saw your name tagged there as well
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My point is theyre claiming to expose the embryology verses and the western scientists that embraced islam.
InshAllah they're wrong. There are books and such for references in the site. One in particular where it says muslims should admit the truth.
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My point is theyre claiming to expose the embryology verses and the western scientists that embraced islam.
InshAllah they're wrong. There are books and such for references in the site. One in particular where it says muslims should admit the truth.
I think that you might have to get banned Rami. This is ridiculous, why can't you stop visiting Anti-Islamic sites? Use the site that I gave you! Anyways, like I said before, I DON'T believe in those scientific miracles. The miracle of the Qur'an is its inimmitabilty. One of their claims is that the Quran plagiarized from ancient Greek embryology but that has been dealt with by Hamza Tzortiz.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/prophetic-studies/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/
The website Load Islam also made a page refuting the claims of anti-Islamics but the website is expired. Rami do you even read our comments? Or are you just trying to weaKen your faith and others faiths on purpose? If you continue this I will ask for you to get banned. Stop this brother. Enough is enough!
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@AbdullahAlMadi yes i have brother my apologies. I just wanted to make sure there was no scientific error in the quran.
It struck a cord in me considering how embryology is such a sensitive case for us.
Although for some reason deep down I've been skeptical of the western scientists embracing islam. Have you seen the section?
And i hope this will be the last time i ever doubt anything. But there is no denying this is a serious issue
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@AbdullahAlMadi yes i have brother my apologies. I just wanted to make sure there was no scientific error in the quran.
It struck a cord in me considering how embryology is such a sensitive case for us.
Although for some reason deep down I've been skeptical of the western scientists embracing islam. Have you seen the section?
And i hope this will be the last time i ever doubt anything. But there is no denying this is a serious issue
And I have a feeling that this won't be the last one. Overall the embryology in the Quran is accurate, buthe they do not qualify as scientific miracles. Most of their claims is that the Quran has plagiarized ancient Greek embryology but that has been dealt with above. No one said that western scholars embraced Islam. And on that section they had only dealt with 3 or 4 of them. Please read my very long comment on your last thread again.
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@Abdullah But wasnt the miracle considering the fact Muhammad (pbuh) didnt have a microscope and knew this ?
Why doesn't that fall under the term miracle ?
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@Abdullah But wasnt the miracle considering the fact Muhammad (pbuh) didnt have a microscope and knew this ?
Why doesn't that fall under the term miracle ?
For example:
When the Quran says that the gender of the fetus comes from the male it is accurate, however not a miracle. Although almost everyone at the time of the prophet and after that said that the gender comes from the female a group in ancient Egypt thousands of years before the prophet (peace be upon him) said something similar.
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So basically Hamza Tzortzis is implying there is not one scientific miracle in the quran ? Doesn't that necessarily.. decrease the rank of divinity in it ? Wouldn't that be more fuel to the arguement claiming our prophet (pbuh) "Plagiarised" it ? استغفر الله.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/
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As'salamu Alaikum,
Brother Ramihs, when you're done talking with the salafies and their opinionated rubbish and self-contradictions, I would like to ask you to visit the following link to see the Miracle of Embryology in great details throughout the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Once again, Allah Almighty PROMISED to reveal the Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran. The following two articles thoroughly demonstrate Allah Almighty's Promises:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
Also once again, I ask you to give me specific examples of what is causing doubt.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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I'm even more confused now especially after reading that Hamza T. Article which made complete sense... i never knew they knew iron came from the heavens or that egyptians predicted the moon is reflected light..
How can we shed light on a miracle if something was already known ? :(
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Furthermore, didn't hamza have an article or study on embryology which was closely inspected by atheist doctors ? Cause he took it down eventually. Why ? Was it because they've proved him wrong or ?
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Your question was about Embryology and I gave you the links about Embryology. The ample Miracles in the Glorious Quran about Astronomy, including the moon's S-SHAPED ORBIT around the earth, which was mentioned in the Quran and confirmed by science are located here:
Several Miracles about the Moon in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#moon_reflection_of_light_orbits
Miracle of Astronomy in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
And brother Hamza Tzortzis doesn't speak Arabic, nor understand Arabic. Therefore, he is not fit to declare there are no Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
And what about the Numerical Miracles?
Also man, have I not already shown you the STUNNING and ample Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran? Numbers have no opinion and do not lie. They are absolute and they are black and white. No gray area in them. Isn't this also a proof to you that the Quran is Miraculous? Or are we going to go back and forth again in circles?
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Furthermore, didn't hamza have an article or study on embryology which was closely inspected by atheist doctors ? Cause he took it down eventually. Why ? Was it because they've proved him wrong or ?
no, Hamza said he won't focus on scientific miracles anymore because they're not impressive and that he will focus on linguistics and mathematics instead.
Dont waste time on infidel sites, its obviously gotten to you
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simply embryo in the Quran are describing the outer shape stages of what the eye can see. so it is the important signs only not the full processes . because i think Allah needs more than hundreds of Quran to speak about the specific process of the embryo alone. have you ever heard about the unformed lump of flesh ? you ever seen it ? we experienced it in my brother's wife when she was a pregnant of unformed lump of flesh and she had to abort it because it wont come to life.
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simply embryo in the Quran are describing the outer shape stages of what the eye can see.
It is not describing what the eye can see.
Summary about Embryology in the Glorious Quran:
1. Man is created from the purest and the best sperm (سلالة) that is also drawn with ease (سل ).
2. And in another Noble Verse, sperm (نطفة) is said to be a piercing and penetrating one ( تمنى and يمنى (to pierce)), which is exactly how the male's sperm enters the female's egg - through piercing through it.
3. The sperm (نطفة) is injected into (في) a secure and firm base (قرار مكين). Read the table in the article for detailed definitions.
4. The sperm develops into a leech-like (علقة) substance.
5. Then the leech-like substance develops into a chewed-like (مضغة) substance.
6. Then from the chew-like substance bones (عظام) are created.
7. Then the muscles (لحم) wrap around the bones.
8. The fetus goes through "three Veils of darkness and Stages" development. Science just confirmed it recently, and the Glorious Quran mentioned it 1,500 years ago.
Also more on the physiology of man, consider the following Noble Verses:
[096:015] Nay! if he desist not, We would will certainly smite his forehead,
[096:016] A lying, sinful forehead ناصية.
"Functional regions of the left hemisphere of the cerebral
cortex. The prefrontal area is located at the front of the cerebral
cortex. (Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology, Seeley and others, p. 210.)"
One main reason is that the brain's "Frontal Cortex", which is also called "The Voice of Reason", develops last. The brain takes a very long time to develop Myelin, which is a protective natural insulation that the body builds for its cells. The brain not only doesn't complete developing Myelin for its cells until the late 20s or even past 30s, but it develops Myelin for the Frontal Cortex last! This is where people might appear to be physically built and mature, while their brains are still underdeveloped.
Please read the link and watch the videos before you respond:
What I've given you here is a summary. Please go through the article and its details, and see the Scientific quotations and proofs, before you decide to reply. Here is the links:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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i meant the outer stages not the inner fully processes as these academic conditions you to have it in the holy Quran in order for them to believe. if Allah has sent all the sciences in a Holy book then humans wouldn't search and look here and there so what will be the point of his creation if this human knew everything at once?.
brother Osama do you think that "Nutfa" can mean the female egg ? and "Qarar makeen" means the womb ? it said in verse (75:37) from a Nutfa from a seminal(if it mean manni) then "Yomna". like you see it in sakhir translation . Shakir: Was he not a small seed in the seminal elements, . i think this translation points more to male sperm not female egg
(76-2)Shakir: Surely We have created a man from a small life-germ uniting (itself): We mean to try him, so We have made him hearing, seeing.
Yusuf Ali: Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight.
"Nutfa Amshaj" mingled sperm . you can see here that the mixing stage called "Nutfa" in here.
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Once again, please read the article, because all of the Noble Verses you mentioned are addressed in great details there. The Glorious Quran says that the male-sperm:
1. Is a piercing one.
2. It also determines the gender.
[053:045] And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046] From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating تمنى;
53:45 وانه خلق الزوجين الذكر والانثى
53:46 من نطفة اذا تمنى
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[075:037] Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating) يمنى ?
[075:038 The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039] Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.
75:37 الم يك نطفة من مني يمنى
75:38 ثم كان علقة فخلق فسوى
75:39 فجعل منه الزوجين الذكر والانثى
Pay attention to the definitions of تمنى and يمنى. Both are the same word. And notice how Allah Almighty said He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE. He could've just said Mankind. But no, here Allah Almighty specified both genders. And تمنى and يمنى is used for:
1- Penetration.
2- Cutting through.
3- Piercing.
They even use the word for farmers when they insert their arms inside the cows' anus to help them with constipation. They also use it for stabbing and cutting with a blade! We know that the male sperm is a piercing one. I even provided the pictures in the article.
STUNNING MIRACLE!
This is why I find it STUNNINGLY amazing that Allah Almighty said in the same Noble Verses that He created THE MALE AND THE FEMALE. He didn't just say He created man as He did in many other Noble Verses. Here He specified the genders.
Also pay attention regarding Allah Almighty's uses of خلقنا and جعلنا .
Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#embryology
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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My point was this dawaganda site and their study articles. Have you analysed them thoroughly to refute ? Because they seem to have a lot..
What were and have they claimed ?
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The site dawahganda is saying the scientific miracles in quran are simply publicly known concepts and some are in errors (under Errors in Qur'an)
the site also questions why ancient Muslims sources could not interpret the scientific verses like 21st century Muslims.
and brother Osama has answered that the prophet was sent with few expressions with the widest of meanings
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@submit I see. Thank you for clarifying. So are there truly errors as they say or are they just the same washed up claims ?
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@submit I see. Thank you for clarifying. So are there truly errors as they say or are they just the same washed up claims ?
I read Hamza's article regarding embryology a long time ago. The critics for the most part weren't saying that there are errors in the Quran but that the stuff in it aren't miracles. And this is why Hamza Tzortis stopped believing in the "scientific miracles". And the critics weren't even scientists. Why do you need the scientific miraCleese anyway?
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@Abdullah I don't need miracles. Just to confirm there aren't any errors.
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Scientific Miracles or Scientific Notions, it really comes down to whether the people of old knew the facts mentioned in the Glorious Quran or not. If they didn't, then these would be Scientific Miracles or Notions. This is almost exactly like Prophecies. Did the Quran ever make a Prophecy? Yes It did. And STUNNING Prophecies too. The reader can visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
One can sit here and argue that we shouldn't call them Prophecies. But when Allah Allah Almighty gives Promises, such as the People of Israel will reach Mighty Heights of evil and corruption and wickedness before He brings the the Wrath of the Second Promise on them, then that is indeed a Prophecy.
The problem with salafies is that they're too superficial. Many of them can't see past their noses, and they don't really understand what is being communicated to them. They follow a dumbed down Islam, and they're too closed-minded. They think that Scientific Miracles means turning the Glorious Quran into a Chemistry, Biology and Physics science book. But that's never what any Muslim ever claimed. And what about the Numerical Miracles?? The 950 Letters and 950 Years of Nuh's Surah. And many many other examples. And thousands of examples that confirm the newly discovered Numerical Law in the Glorious Quran?
Call them Miracles or Notions, it really doesn't matter. But what matters is to at least understand what the other side is saying before you reject their claim, wholesale. And another thing that is irritating from the dumbed down salafies is their trait of attaching names to certain arguments to either accept or dismiss them:
1- Sheikh such and such bin this bin that bin 1st bin 2nd al Tameem or Hayyan or whatever gave fatwa. Therefore it is 100% true.
2- Osama Abdallah said it. It is 100% false.
How about looking at the merits of the argument and not the names. But who are we talking to??
Anyway, I hope I have adequately clarified the "Miracles" and "Notions" terms. The Scientific Notions are there in the Glorious Quran. One has to undeniably lie to himself to deny them. They're there and they're undeniable. And Allah Almighty Promised to Reveal them:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
And this is why Hamza Tzortis stopped believing in the "scientific miracles"
With all due respect to brother Hamza, but does he even speak or understand Arabic? When he relies on translations, then how does that make him an authority?
I know you'll come back and say that I (Osama Abdallah) too am not an authority in Arabic. Even though I am an Arab, but I did use 7 Encyclopedic dictionaries to demonstrate and prove the Scientific Notions in the Glorious Quran. So my authority is in those dictionaries, not in me personally. And I've looked at a few of brother Hamza's work. He did none of that. He relies on translations. So clearly, he is in no position to say that the Glorious Quran doesn't have Scientific Miracles or Notions.
And let me ask you this: What did Allah Almighty mean when He Said this:
"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (i.e., the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"
If the confirmed scientific discoveries do not prove the Glorious Quran, then what does this statement "....until it will become quite clear to them that it (i.e., the Quran) is the truth...." mean to you? If they have nothing to do with the Quran, then how does anything any Scientific institution or agency discovers have anything to do with the Glorious Quran? And how does this statement in the Glorious Quran have any value in it??
Can you answer this for us?
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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@Abdullah I don't need miracles. Just to confirm there aren't any errors.
I challenge you and challenge all of your salafies and infidels to bring ONE, just ONE scientific blunder in the Glorious Quran! I am more than ready to smash it into a million pieces and turn it into powder before everyone here.
I am waiting....
Osama Abdallah
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You can just quote-copy and paste the alleged verse with errors with their supporting proof here from their article/website.
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As'salamu Alaikum,
I posted several replies to the "Refuting Embryology in the Quran" site. They're pending approval of the owner. They're based on DAWAGANDA material.
Starting either tonight or tomorrow, I am going to expand the Rebuttals section in the Scientific Miracles section in the link below, and include many DIRECT REBUTTALS to all of the main authors that attack Islam on the Scientific Miracles, insha'Allah. The list will start with:
1- Dawaganda.
2- The Masked Arab.
These two have caused so much noise and it's time to THOROUGHLY silence them. I will google all of the main infidels and get their names and blogs, insha'Allah. If anyone has more people that you would like me to silence, then please reply back with their names and URLs.
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#rebuttals
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#main_sections
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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these Islam-hating people have been addressed by even Muslims of the older generations,Rumi May Allah have mercy on his Soul,is the best of this example.
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Salafies are a cancer, along with the rest of the cults such as shias and sufies. They're all rubbish. But salafies in particular have a sweet tooth for hypocrisy and cowardice. And the filthy thing about them is that they'd call you a "dog of hell" if you disagree with them.
These rotten hypocrites clearly and openly state that rulers can rob the wealth, and violate the people, and still their rulership would still remain valid, and they're above the law. The reader can visit this link to see all of the filth of the salafies:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg8986#msg8986
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
Don't forget that Prophet Muhammad said that THE HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia. We are living these days. And hypocrites are the worst:
[004:145] Indeed, the hypocrites shall occupy the lowest level of hell _ (its deepest abyss),. You will not find anyone who would (want to) be their helper.
The salafies are the jamaa of satan.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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THE HORN OF SATAN will come from Saudi Arabia.
You mention this time and time again, yet you don't provide a hadith for this.
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Here are direct links of posts that are inside the thread that I linked above:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9019.html#msg9019
And here is my rebuttal to the response to the Hadith of Najd that declares that the horn of satan will come from modern-day Saudi Arabia:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9024.html#msg9024
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9048.html#msg9048
The salafies are a cult of satan. They're the Jamaa of satan. I have grown to despise our religious sheikhs more than the dictators themselves. Both are hypocrites and liars. But the religion ones in particular are the filthy ones that use Islam to impose the corruption of the rulers on the people. So not only the dictator and his corrupt garbage are now militarily imposed on the people illegally, but they have their rabid dogs from the religious community to bite anyone who rises against them. This is why you see just about all of the religious hypocrites living in palaces made from granet and gold. And they live in palaces that have multiple entrances and exits, and they're so vast sometimes that you'd lose track of which gate you entered from.
Those hypocrites are the jamaa (group) of satan.
So which Islam to follow?
One might ask, so which Islam do must I follow?? I answer them follow the Islam of the Middle as Allah Almighty Commanded you in the Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2237.msg9831.html#msg9831
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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But the problem with "Salafism" is it is very sectarianist,it tries to divide muslims into particular groups like Sufi's,which are basically just sunni with another name,Shia's,etc,etc
they donot see the concept of a Muslim:
In order to be a muslim,you must believe Muhammad S.A.W is the last,final messenger,and that Allah is the only TRUE God,
Okay maybe the Alevi's Shi'a praise 'Ali(R.A) A bit too much,but those are the only people,Shi'a,Sufi,Sunni are all Muslims,the only non Muslims are:
Ahmadiyya's,they aren't muslim because they donot believe the Prophet S.A.W,And call Medina and Mekka a dirty place,astaghfirullah,so yeaah all the sects who believe in another Prophet instead of the main 124,000 Prophets of Islam,leading down to the final Messenger S.A.W,so yeah.
Salafism is kinda also blasphemy in a way since one of their beliefs are to believe Muhammad S.A.W did Sin and was just a normal human,astaghfirullah,we do believe Muhammad S.A.W WAS human in the end of the day but he was Sinless.
And in the prophet S.A.W's time and the time of 'Ali R.A,Imam Hussain R.A,Imam Hasan R.A,there was no "Salafi" this Is just an ideology of Ibn Taymiyyah,so yeah,Ibn Taymiyyah was a huge critic of Sufism,Shi'a,Sunni,etc
so that is why I don't believe Salafi's are Muslim.
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You continue linking those comments, and those comments do not ever direct to a hadith, sometimes it would just have a google search for the hadith, but there is nothing else I can find. Give me a reference to an authentic hadith please.
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SAhih Bukhari Book 88 Hadith 214 [Arabi words having Najd followed by translation]
أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِي نَجْدِنَا قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا وَبَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِينَجْدِنَا قَالَ هُنَاكَ الزَّلَازِلُ وَالْفِتَنُ وَبِهَا أَوْ قَالَ مِنْهَا يَخْرُجُ قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head HORN OF SATAN قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ ."
Sahih Muslim Book 41 Hadith 6939
Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the east (najd), he said: The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear, and he uttered these words twice or thrice and Ubaidullah b. Sa'ld in his narration said. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of 'A'isha.
Bukhari Book 17 Hadith 147
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."
Bukhari Book 93 Hadith 651
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East (najd) some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving ( their heads).
http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?t=11267
The Quran supports the HORN OF SATAN Hadiths:
Here is an interesting observation from the Glorious Quran:
25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا
[025:030] And the Messenger will say, `O my Lord, my people ان قومي indeed treated this Qur'an as a thing to be discarded.'
QAWMI قومي is limited to tribe, family, local people, community. UMMATI refers to the entire UMMAH (the entire Muslim nation). Ummah was used in the Glorious Quran to refer to all of the Muslims. But notice here that QAWMI was used instead. This seems to strongly support the HORN OF SATAN HADITHS about the Saudis!
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Aslaam walaikum brother Osama actually i wanted to ask how to post a article on answering christianity. Com that will appear on Internet because I am having abrogation of Quran aya 65 verse 4 i am little busy now
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Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Affan,
Just post your material here, akhi. Insha'Allah, it will be picked up by the search engines. And I will see to adding it to the website and giving you credit for it if I see it necessary.
Thank you,
Osama Abdallah