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Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« on: May 20, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »
Assalam alykam  anti Islamic retard has said the following .............

Although I have already proven beyond a reasonable doubt in over 30 assorted chapters that Allah is most definitely NOT the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, nonetheless I believe it is also rewarding to disprove Muhammad's alleged revelations from another point of view.

As usual, I shall use the very Arabic sources to disprove and demolish Muhammad's one sided assertions that the Quran was revealed to him - second hand - by the angel Gabriel over the incredibly long period of 23 years.

Believers and unbelievers please compare this UNGODLY lengthy period with God's revelation of the Ten Commandments and the Torah DIRECTLY to Moses in 40 days and nights. Already, one should be aware that something is wrong.

Let me start with the most momentous event in Muhammad's life, his alleged first encounter with an unidentified creature.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.111        Narrated by Aisha
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship (Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights.

The angel came to him in (Hira) and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read."
(The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore.
He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said,

"Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created; created man from a clot…."              Al Alaq (96.1)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija (his first wife) and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me."

Ladies and gentlemen please be aware that in this Hadith, there is no mention of who the character that so terrified Muhammad is. There is no mention of the angel Gabriel.

Let us together examine this crucial Hadith since this momentous event was presumably the start of Muhammad's mission in life; to bring Islam (submission to Allah) to his pagan Arabs.

The creature who appeared to him terrified him. The creature did not introduce himself. He demanded with physical violence that Muhammad should read without actually specifying what he should be reading.

The creature was not making a mistake since he repeated his demand three times each of which he accompanied it with physical violence.

Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy.

If Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, how is it possible that he did not know that Muhammad was ILLITERATE? After all, according to Muhammadan Muslim belief, Gabriel was only following Allah's instructions to the letter. Is it not blasphemy to imply that the all knowing Allah - if Allah is God - made such a colossal error?

Adding insult to injury, why would Gabriel demand from Muhammad to read without showing him what to read in the first place? How was Muhammad supposed to read something that did not exist?

Some Muhammadans trying to circumvent this inglorious Hadith by insinuating that Gabriel did not ask Muhammad to READ but to RECITE.

Let us take them at their word and ask them the following questions:
But Gabriel did not indicate or reveal a verse to Muhammad to recite in the first place, did he?

Moreover, Muhammad's answer 'I cannot RECITE' would then be an utterly stupid one would it not, especially since he was not deaf or dumb? How is it possible that Muhammad, the most perfect male human being could not recite (repeat after Gabriel)?

Muhammad's logical reply should have been "What should I recite?"  - especially since Gabriel had not told Muhammad what to repeat after him - and hence his answer should most assuredly not have been " I cannot recite"!

Hence the corollary from all the above is that the word READ is what is meant and most definitely not RECITE.

Now let us look at the encounters by Gabriel with others as mentioned in the New Testament.

Luke 1: 11 " Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 18 Zechariah asked the angel, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years." 19 The angel said to him, "I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news…."

Luke 1: 26 "In the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus… "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" 35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you…. 38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May your word to me be fulfilled." Then the angel left her."

Mathew 1: 20 " But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"

In every single case above, Gabriel introduced himself and did not cause Zechariah or Miriam undue fear unlike his terrifying encounter with Muhammad.

Even the Quran does not connect Gabriel to the first revelation in Al Alaq 96.1 above.

The Quran mentions the name Gabriel in only the three following verses~

Al Baqara 2: 97 "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for he brings down the(revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. 98 Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles to Gabriel and Michael Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject faith…"

Al Tahrim 66: 4 "If ye two turn in repentance to Him your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him truly Allah is his Protector and Gabriel and (every) righteous one among those who believe and furthermore the angels will back (him) up"

There is no direct and unambiguous connection between the first verse of alleged revelation and these verses. There is no mention of the encounter nor the name of the Hira cave anywhere in the Quran.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429        Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief....."

According to this Hadith, the most perfect male that has ever been created, as his followers assert to humanity, was actually so full of sin and lack of belief, that an angel had to operate on him removing sin and unbelief.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.266        Narrated by Aisha
Allah's Apostle said, "O 'Aisha! This is Gabriel sending his greetings to you." I said, "Peace, and Allah's Mercy be on him (Gabriel). You see what we do not see." (She was addressing Allah's Apostle).

Dear readers please be aware that what humanity has regarding Muhammad's alleged encounters with Gabriel are the sole product and assertions of one man Muhammad, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated and un witnessed by any of his closest companions or most intimate wives. 1500 million followers of Muhammad are brainwashed into believing the unverified words of a Pathological liar called Muhammad.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.579        Narrated by Abu Dharr
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), "Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?" He said, "Yes, even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Believers and Unbelieving Kuffar, how can anything so vile be considered Godly?

It is then not surprising at all that Muslim clerics convert inmates of prisons so easily, since these criminals are allowed free reign in criminality as long as they believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is his messenger.

Based entirely on the very Arabic scriptures of Muhammadan Islam showing how Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist and Vile are Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna and Sharia, it is more than obvious that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad by SATAN pretending to be Gabriel. After all, Muhammad did fall for the alleged Satanic Verses that we know about.

In conclusion, based on 780 chapters, 295 audio videos and over 100 talk shows, either Satan revealed the Quran to Muhammad or that the secretions of Muhammad's mind created the text - with Muhammad's torrent of Made to Order revelations - of the Quran but cleverly projected it into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah - the NAME of the supreme god of 360 stone deities of Pagan Arabia - to give it the aura of sanctity and divinity.

Either way demonstrates the Quran's ungodliness.

Ladies and gentlemen, Believers and Unbelievers let me tell you a secret that has escaped the intellect of the followers of Muhammad for the last 1400 years as well as the intellect of the so called experts on Islam from both East and West:

That it is as if by divine Justice/ Haq Ilahi and or divine Will/ Qidra Ilahiyyah, that the very Hadiths that explain to the followers of Muhammad his Quran and Sunna are the very same that utterly discredit Muhammad as a prophet and his Quran's alleged divine origin!

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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 02:42:48 PM »
Salam Wa Rahmatullah,

The whole premise of this argument is based on the assumption that the Prophet Muhammad SAW was inspired by the devil, which on its own seems rather silly because if he was inspired by the devil then why would every chapter of the book given by the devil start start with أعوذُ بِٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلشَّيۡطَٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ ?

Furthermore The Quran tells us to enjoin good and forbid evil, it also says that satan is a clear enemy of mankind. Why on earth would satan say that about himself if he was inspiring Prophet Muhammad SAW?

The Quran & bible prohibit falling into sins but unlike the Quran, the bible does not provide solutions to the problems created by satan.

For example both Quran and Bible condemn adultery and fornication but it is the Quran which genuinley provides solutions.

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do [An-Nur:30]


Why would satan curse himself and put these measures to pevent people from sinning and encourage charity, feeding the poor or caring for orphans & widows?


If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. [Mark 3:24-26]


Regarding these so called proofs

Look at the hypocrisy, Because believing in Allah without associating partners with him entitles Muslims to Jannah it is considered vile. What they forgot to mention is that the bible gives a complete free pass to murderers and adulterers, rapists and other sinners as long as they accept Jesus PBUH as their lord and they can all go to heaven. But Muslims do not have that luxury. A muslim who sins will probably go to hell and is only entitled to enter heaven on the basis of his faith when he has completed the period of his punishment. This is ultimate justice.

Non muslims make a choice to reject Allah and they have to live with the consequences of those choices. This is free will.

Athiests, Christians, Jews and polytheists commit shirk a sin that Allah will never forgive, A muslim on the other hand will be rewarded for not comitting shirk but that does not mean he will automatically be absolved of all his/her sins.

I shall bring out of the Fire the one who possesses half a mustard seed of belief. [Tirmidhi]

The  person using these ahadith is clearly looking at Muhammad SAW with glasses of christian divinity, and is trying to show that Muhammad SAW was not some how 'divine'. These Christians miss the point, Muhammad SAW never claimed divinity. He was more like Moses pbuh than the biblical Jesus pbuh. The prophet SAW was the perfect Human, but was human, and all of these ahadith point to that, that is how a normal human would react. It was after the first revelation that prophet Muhammad SAW was told he was a prophet. This shows his humility and humbleness.

The Christians on the other hand use their corrupt scriptures to define how a prophet should react to a revelation, claiming that prophets recognize angels or have unseen knowledge about God and his commands. so why then when angels came to Lot PBUH he kept referring to them as men? And weren't the Angels following Gods command to the letter why did they need to know how many people are in Lots's household in order to save them? Genesis:19. Did God need information before he made his decision?

They also say that because Muhammad SAW was purified, this means he was sinful and needed to be purified and therefore cannot be a prophet.

But speaking in terms of Christianity isn't that the core of the christian faith that everyone is born in sin and needs to be purified by accepting God? And What do they have to say about the prophet hood of David AS? who according to their book committed adultery and killed Bathsheba's husband. Samuel:11

Their Scriptures suggest that a Prophet wrestled with God and God asked the prophet's name? Genesis:22 (Didn't God know his name?) "Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy."

The objections raised by this person are not even remotely based on logic and they are trying to judge every action according to their corrupt bible. Logic would entail considering the teachings the prophet SAW brought, and The Quran  by far is superior in every regard to any other religious scripture.

The fact of the matter is that all of the things this guy is objecting to about prophet Muhammad are present 10 fold in the bible for their prophets and are much more bizarre, and you can clearly see from his writing that he is using translated works of arabic trying to "prove" his point. This is not new and has happened through out history and even during the time of the prophet SAW. The Jews, Christian & pagan Arabs said exactly the same things to discredit the Prophet SAW.


They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! truly thou art mad (or possessed)! [Al-Hijr:6]


But they failed miserably and continue to do so.


They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. [As-Saf:8]
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 07:18:05 PM »
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Bro Isa, you shouldn't create multiple threads on the same topic :) It becomes hard to response. I am gonna quote your another post about this and then try to refute them both in my next post inshaAllah.

Assalam alykam

When Muhammad first began receiving revelation he thought to be from Allah, it was the angel Gabriel who brought Allah's message to him. Or so at least that's what Muhamamd thought. But was it actually Gabriel?

Let's see what Muhammad's initial encounter with Gabriel was like, and discover what emotional state this encounter left Muhammad. Two traditions (hadith) provide essentially the same story with slight variances.

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301

There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself.

Bukhari, Book 1, Volume 1, Hadith 3

The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.
 
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me."
Two questions arise from Muhammad's encounter with Gabriel. Why did a visitation with a messenger from God leave Muhammad in a state of panic and complete fear? Why would a messenger from God physically assault Muhammad?

Let's contrast Muhammad's encounter with Gabriel to biblical encounters with Gabriel to see if there are any similarities or differences.

Daniel had an encounter with Gabriel, who was showing him a vision of end times. In Daniel 8:15-17 we read:

When I, Daniel, had seen the vision, I sought to understand it. And behold, there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, and it called, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” So he came near where I stood. And when he came, I was frightened and fell on my face. But he said to me, “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.

Notice Daniel was initially frightened and fell on his face. But immediately Gabriel spoke words of comfort to ease Daniel's fears and to help him understand what he was seeing. And Gabriel did not attack Daniel physically in order to make him understand.

We see two encounters with Gabriel in the New Testament. The first is found in Luke 1:13 where Gabriel announces to Zacharias and Elizabeth the coming birth of John the Baptist.

But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.

Another very similar encounter is documented a few verses later in Luke 1:26-30 when Gabriel announces the coming birth of Jesus to Joseph and Mary.

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!” But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.

In both of these encounters recorded in Luke we see something markedly different than the encounter Muhammad experienced. Rather then leaving Elizabeth and Mary in a state of fear, Gabriel assured and comforted them by telling them "Do not be afraid." And again Gabriel did not physically assault either Elizabeth or Mary in order to make his point.

Are we seeing an entirely different Gabriel than the one who visited Muhammad? Or asked another way, did Muhammad actually encounter Gabriel, or was it an imposter posing as Gabriel? What sort of being would instill in Muhammad a feeling of dread and utter fear? What sort of being would assault Muhammad physically?

The answer can be found in the earliest biography of Muhammad, written a mere 130 years after his death.

Ibn Ishaq records Muhammad was concerned he might be demonically possessed. He was so disturbed by this possibility that three times he threatened to commit suicide by jumping off the mountain side, and three times he was stopped by someone claiming to be Gabriel.

So I read it, and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was as though these words were written on my heart. Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed—Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying, "O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel." I raised my head towards heaven to see (who was speaking), and lo, Gabriel in the form of a man with feet astride the horizon, saying, "O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel." I stood gazing at him, and that turned me from my purpose moving neither forward nor backward; then I began to turn my face away from him, but towards whatever region of the sky I looked, I saw him as before. And I continued standing there, neither advancing nor turning back, until Khadlja sent her messengers in search of me and they gained the high ground above Mecca and returned to her while I was standing in the same place; then he parted from me and I from him, returning to my family. And I came to Khadija and sat by her thigh and drew close to her. She said, "O Abii'l-Qasim,2 where hast thou been ? By God, I sent my messen­gers in search of thee, and they reached the high ground above Mecca and returned to me." I said to her, "Woe is me poet or possessed."

Was Muhammad inspired by a demon rather than God?

The Qur'an stands in opposition to nearly every Biblical doctrine. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not crucified, did not rise from the dead to conquer death, man is saved on the basis of doing more good than bad, Jesus was not God but merely a prophet and not even the most significant prophet, God does not love everyone unconditionally, and the list goes on. Who would have authored a book that stands against everything God said in the Bible?

According to the Bible, it is Satan who stands in opposition to everything God said. In the Garden of Eden, he cause Eve to become confused and succumb to temptation by questioning God: "Has God really said ...". At the start of Jesus' ministry, Satan tempted Jesus in the same way. Satan was cast out of heaven for an issue of pride, wanting to be like God himself. For that rebellion against God, he and a third of the angelic host were cast down to earth, where Satan now tries to mislead as many as possible from following God.

The Qur'an stands in opposition to God. Satan operates in opposition to God. Muhammad thought he might have encountered a demonic spirit. Does anyone notice a connection here?

Yes, I believe Muhammad likely was influenced by demonic forces. I believe the Qur'an is inspired by Satan himself. I do not believe Muhammad was visited by the angel Gabriel of the Bible but by Satan masquerading as Gabriel. The puzzle pieces all fit together. This is the only logical conclusion, given the evidence.

Which brings us to the final question. Muslims friend, what are you going to do? Who are you going to follow? Where will you spend eternity? Are you willing to risk an eternity in hell? You now have the evidence you need to make a wise choice. God will hold you accountable for what you know. You cannot claim ignorance.
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 10:23:32 PM »
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Although I have already proven beyond a reasonable doubt in over 30 assorted chapters that Allah is most definitely NOT the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus,

Yeah, definitely not the same. Our Lord Allah doesn’t get tired after creation (Quran 50:38). He doesn’t lie (like genesis 2:17). He doesn’t regret for creating men. He doesn’t wrestle with a human and not win. He doesn’t come out of a woman’s *****. He doesn’t become man. He doesn’t need to get crucified just to forgive the fictional original sin. They are definitely not the same. However, Allah is only the One whom you call ‘Daddy’.

And also, is he a Jehovah’s Witness? Why does he say ‘God of Jesus’??

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Believers and unbelievers please compare this UNGODLY lengthy period with God's revelation of the Ten Commandments and the Torah DIRECTLY to Moses in 40 days and nights. Already, one should be aware that something is wrong.

Torah=’The Law’. It’s just a Book of Law. But Quran is not just that. It contains law, stories of past nations and prophets, Heaven and Hell, God’s proclamation, solutions etc. It is a Book containing the Divine revelations of God to Prophet Muhammad (SAW). It was revealed under different circumstances. Ever thought what would happen if the verses about jihad and war were revealed in Mecca?? Wouldn’t you be the first to stand against that??

Moreover, Muhammad (SAW) was an unlettered man. So Allah says in His Holy Book

“(It is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages.” (17:106)

“Those who reject Faith say: "Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.” (25:32)

And also, can’t I ask you why God took 40 days and 40 nights? ??? Didn’t He create the universe in 6 days?


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Let me start with the most momentous event in Muhammad's life, his alleged first encounter with an unidentified creature.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.111       
Narrated by Aisha
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship (Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights.

The angel came to him in (Hira) and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read."
(The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore.
He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said,

"Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created; created man from a clot…." Al Alaq (96.1)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija (his first wife) and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me."

Ladies and gentlemen please be aware that in this Hadith, there is no mention of who the character that so terrified Muhammad is. There is no mention of the angel Gabriel.

Let us together examine this crucial Hadith since this momentous event was presumably the start of Muhammad's mission in life; to bring Islam (submission to Allah) to his pagan Arabs.

The creature who appeared to him terrified him. The creature did not introduce himself. He demanded with physical violence that Muhammad should read without actually specifying what he should be reading.

(Notice the bold words)

So the rascal wants to prove that it was satan, ‘a creature’ who appeared before the Prophet by saying that the ‘creature’ didn’t identify himself?

So what’s his point here? Satan didn’t want to lie by saying that he was Gabriel?????? I mean why didn’t he just say he was Gabriel? Wouldn’t that be more easy to make people trust him. Perhaps satan wanted to sin a less!!!!

Even if the angel said he was Gabriel, would it make any difference? Even then you infidels will say he was satan, wouldn’t you??

Also you make a stupid reason by saying ‘so terrified Muhammad’. Read Acts 22:7. why was Paul so terrified that he fell from his horse?

…………Who knows what appeared before Paul…………

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If Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, how is it possible that he did not know that Muhammad was ILLITERATE?

I explained it in another thread. Read the story carefully, bum. When Gabriel said ‘read’, the Prophet said ‘I can’t read’. Then why did he again say ‘Read’? The Prophet again said that he can’t. But Gabriel again told him to read!!! So if it was satan, did the Devil, the deceiver of the world (rev 12:9), become deaf for a couple of minutes?? He couldn't hear and understand this simple phrase, 'I can't read'?? And satan chose one arab among thousands, to start a grand deception and a religion to dominate the world, and didn’t get this simple information that he was illiterate, seriously??

It’s not about telling him to read. Gabriel said’ ‘Iqra’, which is the first word with which the Quran started being revealed. Moreover, even the word ‘Quran’ comes from the word- Iqra. It is the word the Holy Book of God was named after. It is not a silly word like your silly book bible! That’s why Gabriel was just repeating it.

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Daniel had an encounter with Gabriel, who was showing him a vision of end times. In Daniel 8:15-17 we read:

When I, Daniel, had seen the vision, I sought to understand it. And behold, there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, and it called, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” So he came near where I stood. And when he came, I was frightened and fell on my face. But he said to me, “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.

Notice Daniel was initially frightened and fell on his face. But immediately Gabriel spoke words of comfort to ease Daniel's fears and to help him understand what he was seeing. And Gabriel did not attack Daniel physically in order to make him understand.

A man’s voice? Gabriel didn’t identify himself here! I can’t ask you this cuz I’m not a scumbag like you, but can’t anyone ask you, ‘WHO WAS THIS MAN?? WHAT IS THE PROOF HE WAS GOD??”

And, you want to prove that it was satan just because he physically assaulted Muhammad? Well, think like this. A cunning creature like satan, who is the deceiver of the world, who authored a Book filled with poetry (Nauzubillah) and started a religion (as you say, Nauzubillah) which dominates half of the world, a such evil and great deceiver like him, didn’t have this common sense that pressing someone hard who is illiterate doesn’t make him read?? If he wanted Muhammad SAW to read, he could easily enter his body and make him to do so, which is called’ ‘possession by an evil spirit’!!

And also, how would you assault someone who is not listening to you? Will you press him hard? Or will you slap him or punch him in the head? Pressing hard is a weird way of assaulting someone who is not doing (and can’t do) what you say, don’t you think?

We have read at the beginning of the Hadith that it was dream, a vision. So pressing hard could be metaphorical, it can mean something else. It can also be like we give someone courage by hugging him! Perhaps Gabriel did the same, but it was a bit strong cuz he was an angel and Muhammad was a man! God knows why He commanded Gabriel to do that, who the hell are you to assume that he did it ‘to make him understand’??

And another thing, giving examples from your bible containing numerous contradictions and scientific absurdities doesn’t really prove anything!

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Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy.

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Their Scriptures suggest that a Prophet wrestled with God and God asked the prophet's name? Genesis:22 (Didn't God know his name? "Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy.")
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The Quran mentions the name Gabriel in only the three following verses~

Al Baqara 2: 97 "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for he brings down the(revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. 98 Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles to Gabriel and Michael Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject faith…"

Al Tahrim 66: 4 "If ye two turn in repentance to Him your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him truly Allah is his Protector and Gabriel and (every) righteous one among those who believe and furthermore the angels will back (him) up"

There is no direct and unambiguous connection between the first verse of alleged revelation and these verses. There is no mention of the encounter nor the name of the Hira cave anywhere in the Quran.

So you would believe it was Gabriel if the verses had the name of cave Hira them? Yeah yeah, we know very well whether you would believe or not, Hypocrite!!

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Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429        Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief....."

According to this Hadith, the most perfect male that has ever been created, as his followers assert to humanity, was actually so full of sin and lack of belief, that an angel had to operate on him removing sin and unbelief.

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But speaking in terms of Christianity isn't that the core of the christian faith that everyone is born in sin and needs to be purified by accepting God? And What do they have to say about Prophet David who according to their book committed adultery and killed Bathsheba's husband? Samuel:11
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Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.266        Narrated by Aisha
Allah's Apostle said, "O 'Aisha! This is Gabriel sending his greetings to you." I said, "Peace, and Allah's Mercy be on him (Gabriel). You see what we do not see." (She was addressing Allah's Apostle).

Dear readers please be aware that what humanity has regarding Muhammad's alleged encounters with Gabriel are the sole product and assertions of one man Muhammad, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated and un witnessed by any of his closest companions or most intimate wives. 1500 million followers of Muhammad are brainwashed into believing the unverified words of a Pathological liar called Muhammad.

Unwitnessed? Actually, the same can be applied to your ‘book of revelations’, no? Dragons, seven headed beasts, with ten horns….. Yeah, beats it!! And the funniest thing about the book is, after all these, all these muslim-christian debates, the bloody Israelites/Jews are going to heaven!!!!! (Revelation 6:4-9) Too bad :(

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Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.579        Narrated by Abu Dharr
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), "Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?" He said, "Yes, even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Believers and Unbelieving Kuffar, how can anything so vile be considered Godly?

It is then not surprising at all that Muslim clerics convert inmates of prisons so easily, since these criminals are allowed free reign in criminality as long as they believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is his messenger.

Do you even know anything about Islam? Who told you that they won’t suffer punishment? Of course they will, But they will not be in hell for eternity…….unlike you Christians!!

Actually, it’s your Christian cult that encourages people to sin. ‘Jesus died for our sins’. Yeah, check this story out.

Yesterday, my beloved younger brother stole something very important from me. At night, he came and confessed. I love him so much that I said, ‘Ok bro, no problemo. You are no more guilty. I have taken your guilt on myself!!’ Then guess what, I punished myself by cutting off my hand……as Jesus was crucified!!

Makes sense doesn’t it? Too much sense to be true actually! Allah doesn’t need to get killed (Nauzubillah) to forgive us; He just says that we are forgiven, which is more LOGICAL, and more GODLY!

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Based entirely on the very Arabic scriptures of Muhammadan Islam showing how Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist and Vile are Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna and Sharia, it is more than obvious that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad by SATAN pretending to be Gabriel. After all, Muhammad did fall for the alleged Satanic Verses that we know about.

In conclusion, based on 780 chapters, 295 audio videos and over 100 talk shows, either Satan revealed the Quran to Muhammad or that the secretions of Muhammad's mind created the text…

Actually, you have badly failed to come to that conclusion!

And Muhammad…racist?? Read your bible first.

(Matthew) {15:25} Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. {15:26} But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] to DOGS. {15:27} And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the DOGS eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

Muhammad was the man who ended racism. Your western nations are still polluted with that disease. But Muslim nation is almost free of that! Indians embraced Islam to get rid of their Hindu racism. Study a little before you bark, gentile DOG!!!!

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The Qur'an stands in opposition to nearly every Biblical doctrine. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not crucified, did not rise from the dead to conquer death, man is saved on the basis of doing more good than bad, Jesus was not God but merely a prophet and not even the most significant prophet, God does not love everyone unconditionally, and the list goes on.

Not the whole bible, only the NT actually! Except some absurdities in the OT like God took rest, had a fight…… Everything in the Quran is supported in the OT. And the Gospels are almost in harmony too. The problem begins with uncle Paul’s teachings!

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Allah - the NAME of the supreme god of 360 stone deities of Pagan Arabia –

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Joshua 22:22
The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if [it be] in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)

Psalm 136:2
O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.

Daniel 2:47
The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth [it is,] that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldst reveal this secret.

Daniel 11:36
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

How many times do I tell these infidels that ‘Allah’ is simply the Arabic for ‘God’? When I told this (and the fact that even Arab Christians call God- Allah) to some infidels on FB, they at least stopped calling Him a pagan moon god (Nauzubillah). But they began a new nonsense- Muhammad couldn’t come up with a divine name (like YHWH, the Father) for his God.

I didn’t gave the answer previously, but now I answer it. What did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob called God?

Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name YHWH was I not known to them.

And according to uncle Paul, the covenant made with Abraham is more important than the covenant made with Moses (Galatians 3:17), and we Muslims follow the religion of Abraham. Abraham left his son Ismael at Paran (Arabia), and he preached there. That's how people came to know Allah, but later they associated other gods with him, like you christians associated Jesus and holy spirit with God the Father, the only True God (John 17:3). But still, the Father is the supreme one of the three, isn't He???

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Ladies and gentlemen, Believers and Unbelievers let me tell you a secret that has escaped the intellect of the followers of Muhammad for the last 1400 years as well as the intellect of the so called experts on Islam from both East and West:

That it is as if by divine Justice/ Haq Ilahi and or divine Will/ Qidra Ilahiyyah, that the very Hadiths that explain to the followers of Muhammad his Quran and Sunna are the very same that utterly discredit Muhammad as a prophet and his Quran's alleged divine origin!

You have not unveiled any secret Mr. Sherlock Holmes! You just humiliated yourself with your foul and stinking logics!

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Which brings us to the final question. Muslims friend, what are you going to do? Who are you going to follow? Where will you spend eternity? Are you willing to risk an eternity in hell? You now have the evidence you need to make a wise choice. God will hold you accountable for what you know. You cannot claim ignorance.

And vise versa!


(sorry for being a little offensive :P)
Peace……..
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2015, 01:23:28 AM »
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Believers and unbelievers please compare this UNGODLY lengthy period with God's revelation of the Ten Commandments and the Torah DIRECTLY to Moses in 40 days and nights. Already, one should be aware that something is wrong.

Revelations were written to the Jews bit by bit in span of 40 years max.
One can theorize that Musa/Moses (pbuh) receive revelation gradually throughout 40 years span.
Or Moses receive revelations wholly in 40x3 = 120 days but decided to write those verses gradually within 40 years.

Now the problem is.. if Moses memorized the whole revelations in 40 days. There shall not be any 2nd period of 40 days to receive revelations. Nor there should be any 3rd period of 40 days at all. This shows Moses could have not memorize all revelations in 40 days due to repeating cycle of period to learn about the revelations.

Which tells that even after the periods of 40 days, Moses still receive revelations and that is the reason he wrote the books gradually within 40 years span.

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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
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Question

The Qur’an is not the Word of God but on the contrary the handiwork of Satan.

Answer

In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed:

Surah Waqiah, chapter 56 verses 77-80

"That this is indeed
A Qur’an most honourable,

In a Book well-guarded,

Which none shall touch
But those who are clean:

A Revelation from the Lord
Of the Worlds."

Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen. i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.

Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur’an does not arise.

It is further mentioned in Surah Shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212

"No evil ones have brought
Down this (Revelation):

It would neither suit them
Nor would they be able (To produce it).

Indeed they have been removed
Far from even (a chance of)
Hearing it."

Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.

If satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"

There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.

In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy."

In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;

for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"

Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not satan’s word.

The Bible mentions in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26

"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand."

"And if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand."

"And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."
 


 

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