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Is alcohol forbidden in Islam?
« on: July 23, 2022, 05:09:23 PM »
Peace be upon you,

When God decided to forbid alcohol, He first commanded that you do not pray if you are drunk until you know what you say in the prayer. This is because God wanted to teach those who drink excessively to gradually reduce the amount of alcohol they consumed at one time between each prayer of the five daily prayers. 

•   Quran (4:43) O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying…

Then God said that there is a great sin and some benefit in alcohol. The benefit that God intended is the money that they earn from selling the alcohol. However, God first said that there is a great sin then He said some benefit which means there is a great punishment in hellfire.

•   Quran (2:219) They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."…

Then God said that drinking alcohol is the work of Satan, so avoid it. Some Muslims question the prohibition of alcohol because God said in Arabic “aj-taneb-oh” which means avoid it, and had it not been that God intended to forbid it, He would have said “haram” which means forbidden. Well, please note that God said in this verse that drinking alcohol is the work of Satan, and in another verse, God said, don’t follow the footsteps of Satan. Therefore, alcohol is completely prohibited.

•   Quran (5:90) O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants… are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

•   Quran (24:21) O you who have believed, do not follow the footsteps of Satan. And whoever follows the footsteps of Satan - indeed, he enjoins immorality and wrongdoing…

The Bible says that little wine is good for your health. But doctors prove that drinking ONLY one glass of alcohol a day will cause cancer. This proves that the Bible is incorrect and modified.

•   1 Timothy (5:23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities

Please click on this link to read that drinking ONLY one glass of alcohol a day will cause cancer
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=little+alcohol+causes+cancer&docid=608044765397458703&mid=A1AB54C7D22A450CEEE0A1AB54C7D22A450CEEE0&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

On the other hand, there is another verse in the Bible that says that wine is not good. As you can see these verses in the Bible contradict themselves.

•   Romans 14:21 - It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

Bloomberg News says excess alcohol consumption cost the U.S. economy a quarter-trillion dollars in 2010… because of crimes, car accidents, defects in production, divorce, cost of hospitals and medicine for health concerns, debt, homelessness, and so on.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=cost+of+excessive+alcohol+consumption+in+USA+is+250+billion+dollars+a+year&cvid=16130116ac004addbdb75ae6a6d98ebe&aqs=edge..69i57.34053j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531

Christians will dispute this and say that the Bible says “little alcohol” while those who cost the US economy $250 billion in waste annually are consuming “excess alcohol.” Well, let me tell you that every heavy alcohol drinker on earth started with very little but continued to increase gradually until they became an alcoholic.

God said in Quran that when the wicked commit immoral things, they say that God commanded it. But God answered that He does not command $250 billion in waste annually and cancer. Please note that the $250 billion in waste annually is found only in the USA in 2010, not including waste in the rest of the world. Imagine that this wasted money could eradicate poverty on earth. 

•   Quran (7:28) And when they commit an immorality, they say, "We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it." Say, "Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"

If this report makes sense to you, please share it on your social media accounts because God said that those who forbid what is wrong will succeed.

•   Quran (3:104) And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful.

May God guide all of us to the straight path,

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Re: Is alcohol forbidden in Islam?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2022, 05:41:36 AM »
ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL"

As the followers of the Quran know, only God can determine what is halal (lawful) or haram (forbidden).

16/116*And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

16/35*And those who were polytheists said: "If God had wished, we would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other than from Him." Those before them did exactly the same thing; so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with clarity?

And the forbidden/haram food and drink (the blood) are announced explicitly by our Lord in His book:

5/3*Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

However, interpreters of the Quran hide our Lord's message by distorting the meaning of a verse (5/93), thus they can add other harams to the God's list. There is a passage in surah Al-Ma'idah about "hamr" which is translated as either alcohol, intoxicants or wine. This passage is between the verses 90-93 and the next verse 94 starts a new topic.
5/90*O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.

5/91*The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you be deterred?

5/92*And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.

5/93*There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat* if they are aware and believe and do good works, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.

*The verb "ta'ima" (translated as what they eat above) applies to eating and drinking (taste) in Arabic and the 93rd verse of surah 5 shows that the drinking hamr (alcohol or wine) or eating beef marinated in wine is NOT haram for "believers" as long as they avoid the work of Satan.

To be more specific, (illicit) sex is forbidden, but the exception is lawful sex. Having lawful sex with spouses is halal for believers. Just like sex is "conditional halal" for believers, drinking alcohol is conditional halal for believers as long as they meet the criteria stated in 5/93 and are able to avoid the work of Satan.

Some interpretors distort the true meaning of this verse (5/93) and dare to make some additions to the God's words in brackets. They translate the sentence in past tense (what they have tasted/ they tasted) and claim that the word "taste" refers to a time period before the prohibition of alcohol. However, this is obviously mistranslation because what is haram (shirk) for believers is describing something as haram before the God prohibits it. In other words, mistranslating this verse referring to the past leads to logical fallacy in the Quran.

To summarize, as is stated in 16/67 the alcohol, the substance itself, is good and lawful provision:

16/67*And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make strong drink and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend.

16/114*So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.

16/115*He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

What is illicit in "hamr" (alcohol or wine) for believers (2/219) is explained in 5/91 and it is not forbidden as long as one can meet the criteria in 5/93.

7/32*Say: "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say: "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

Because "hamr" is a nice provision in here, the public of paradise will be served hamr in the hereafter. (47/15)

Peace

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Re: Is alcohol forbidden in Islam?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2022, 03:27:44 PM »
Peace be upon you,

I forgot to explain the meaning of verse (16:67) which says from the fruits of palm trees and grapevines YOU take intoxicant. Please note that God is saying here that mankind takes from these trees intoxicant. God is NOT saying that He allowed mankind to take from these trees intoxicant.

•   Quran (16:67) And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason.

And as I mentioned in my original post, God said that intoxicant is from Satan, and in another verse God said not to follow the footsteps of Satan, therefore, alcohol is crystal clear forbidden.

I will provide a few Hadith(s) for the Prophet that he completely prohibited alcohol. I appreciate that there are some who don’t acknowledge some of Hadith Mohamed, but I already proved it from Quran.

•   The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Every intoxicant is khamr (alcohol, wine, beer, etc.), and every khamr is haram (unlawful e.g. prohibited).
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 3672 Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abbas

•   I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say: Every intoxicant is forbidden; if a quantity of anything causes intoxication, a handful of it is (also) forbidden.
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 3679 Narrated by Aisha

•   Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) invoked the curse of Allah on ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2776 Narrated by Anas ibn Malik

•   The Prophet (PBUH) said, “He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must not (even) sit at a cloth (table or gathering) where wine is being circulated.”
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 4477 Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah

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Re: Is alcohol forbidden in Islam?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2022, 06:34:25 PM »
ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL"

As the followers of the Quran know, only God can determine what is halal (lawful) or haram (forbidden).

16/116*And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

16/35*And those who were polytheists said: "If God had wished, we would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other than from Him." Those before them did exactly the same thing; so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with clarity?

And the forbidden/haram food and drink (the blood) are announced explicitly by our Lord in His book:

5/3*Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

However, interpreters of the Quran hide our Lord's message by distorting the meaning of a verse (5/93), thus they can add other harams to the God's list. There is a passage in surah Al-Ma'idah about "hamr" which is translated as either alcohol, intoxicants or wine. This passage is between the verses 90-93 and the next verse 94 starts a new topic.
5/90*O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.

5/91*The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you be deterred?

5/92*And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.

5/93*There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat* if they are aware and believe and do good works, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.

*The verb "ta'ima" (translated as what they eat above) applies to eating and drinking (taste) in Arabic and the 93rd verse of surah 5 shows that the drinking hamr (alcohol or wine) or eating beef marinated in wine is NOT haram for "believers" as long as they avoid the work of Satan.

To be more specific, (illicit) sex is forbidden, but the exception is lawful sex. Having lawful sex with spouses is halal for believers. Just like sex is "conditional halal" for believers, drinking alcohol is conditional halal for believers as long as they meet the criteria stated in 5/93 and are able to avoid the work of Satan.

Some interpretors distort the true meaning of this verse (5/93) and dare to make some additions to the God's words in brackets. They translate the sentence in past tense (what they have tasted/ they tasted) and claim that the word "taste" refers to a time period before the prohibition of alcohol. However, this is obviously mistranslation because what is haram (shirk) for believers is describing something as haram before the God prohibits it. In other words, mistranslating this verse referring to the past leads to logical fallacy in the Quran.

To summarize, as is stated in 16/67 the alcohol, the substance itself, is good and lawful provision:

16/67*And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make strong drink and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend.

16/114*So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.

16/115*He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

What is illicit in "hamr" (alcohol or wine) for believers (2/219) is explained in 5/91 and it is not forbidden as long as one can meet the criteria in 5/93.

7/32*Say: "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say: "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

Because "hamr" is a nice provision in here, the public of paradise will be served hamr in the hereafter. (47/15)

Peace

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We should also remember that some fruits and other foods in nature are intoxicating, just like drinks. These intoxicating fruits are also halal if we leave them in their taste. Likewise, there are many other intoxicating foods, but it is the amount of consumption that produces intoxication (e.g. chocolate can intoxicate after a certain amount):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIDJ-sTuoO8

Some syrups/medicines on the market can also be intoxicating after a certain amount.

Peace

 

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