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The article is called

"The Days of creation in the Quran, Literal or indefinate periods of times" from Answeringislam.

This seems to be a response to answering-christainity's article about this.

The link of the article is here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/creationdays.htm

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The article is called

"The Days of creation in the Quran, Literal or indefinate periods of times" from Answeringislam.

This seems to be a response to answering-christainity's article about this.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Thank you for the link.  If you go to this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm, and find Response #23, you'll find plenty of responses by several brothers.

Furthermore, the infidels have missed the Time Relativity Scientific Miracle that exists in the Glorious Quran.  They either missed it entirely, or they act like ignorant fools, since deception is a religion and a way of life for them.  This is how their pagan trinity stands on:

1-  False mistranslations.
2-  Deceptions and lies and deliberate mis-interpretations.


The Time Relativity Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran is found in the Main Section of the Scientific Miracles and Research: www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.  The following links in the section should further help you, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing):

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_and_speed_of_light_precisely_in_noble_quran.mp3

http://www.answering-christianity.com/lunar_calendar_miracle.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_relativity.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_relativity1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_and_speed_of_light_precisely_in_noble_quran.mp3

http://www.answering-christianity.com/speed_of_light_in_quran.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Assalamoalikom bro Osama
Assalamoalikom bro mclinkin


The argument of the article linked , based on the following hadith


    Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (mpbuh) took hold of my hands and said: Allah the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (pbuh) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, ie. Between afternoon and night.


that hadith was not accepted as authentic by some scholars eg;  Imam Bukhari ,didn't accept it to be included in his sahih collection ,and said :

 'This saying is not that of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), but one of Ka'b al-Ahbar' was quoted by abu hurrairah."



I personally , hold that postion of not trusting that narration ,not only for being clearly contradicting the Holy Quran ,but also some other reasons to be mentioned....


peace.
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Hmmm...  So basically, I have mis-answered the whole entire thing!  LOL ;D.  Good thing I didn't include the Shias in this one.  I was very close to mentioning them right in "...since deception is a religion and a way of life for them...." hehehehehhe  ;D.

Honestly, I only responded by very briefly looking at the name of the article in the URL and doing a quick top-down look of the article :)

Thank you dear brother Egyptian for the valuable response.  I will insha'Allah add it to the website tonight.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Aslamu Alaikum brother Osama And brother Egyptian

He also mentioned (indirectly and directly) in the article of how a verse says a day to God is like a 1000 years to us (clearly a misinterpretation). So if God created earth in 6 days it must mean 6000 (or 6500) years. Clearly there is some deception here, but it would be great if it was explicitly refuted in Answering-christianity.com

And brother Osama, thank you very much for creating such an amazing website. I love it when I can post references to answering-christinity to Christians and Atheists who always make allegations to Islam.

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And I may have found part of the answer to the whole a day of God equal 1000 years so the universe is 6000 years dillemma:

Taken from: http://www.speed-light.info/relativity_quran.htm

Clocks run slower in stronger gravitational fields (near bigger mass).

Moslems believe that Paradise and Hell are both much bigger and much more massive than Earth (but still much smaller than God's Throne). The theory of general relativity says that time should pass slower near an object more massive than Earth (clocks run slower in stronger gravitational fields). So according to general relativity, time should pass in Paradise/Hell much slower than on Earth. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. It is stated in the Quran that 1 day in Paradise/Hell measures a 1000 years on Earth:

[Quran 22.47] They challenge you to bring forth that torture [in Hell] and Allah will not break His promise;  a day of your Lord [Paradise/Hell promise] is like a thousand years of what you count.

Here God promises those who do not believe in Hell and punishment that each day of their torture in Hell will measure a thousand years on Earth. So according to the Quran, time passes faster on Earth than in Paradise/Hell. But this agrees with the theory of general relativity which says that time passes slower near bigger mass. Paradise and Hell are much more massive than Earth and time should pass there much slower than on Earth.

Christians believe that God created the universe in 6 earthly days and rested on the 7th. Moslems believe that 6 days passed at God's Throne but we experienced 13.7 billion years on Earth:

Moslems believe that God is not bound to His Throne; rather He created it and set it as a reference. The Quran says that God's Throne is even wider than the whole universe; so how about the mass of God's Throne? God's Throne is much more massive than Earth. Time should pass there much slower than on Earth:

Our solar system is 4.567 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.567 bln years ago. However the universe is 13.7 ± 0.2 bln years old. This places the age of Earth at one third the age of the universe (4.567 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran says that in God's Throne time Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens, Earth and everything in between are 6 days old (2/6 = 1/3):

[Quran 7.54] And your Lord, Allah, who created the Heavens and the Earth in six days and then settled on the Throne...
Those six days are on the Throne; so the frame of reference for creation is the Throne, not Earth.

[Quran 41.9] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days?...
Also those two days are on the Throne. The frame of reference for creation is still the Throne, not Earth. When God says that He created the Heavens, Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN (including you and me) in six days this means that He is referring to the period of existence. Earth has been in existence for 2 days (out of 6).

In God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens, Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). Similarly in Earth time, the age of Earth is 4.567 billion years while the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years; this is also one third (4.567 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). So it is the same ratio in Earth time or in God's Throne time [8]. The theory of general relativity explains why time at God's Throne passes slower than on Earth. General relativity explains why 6 days passed at God's Throne but we measured it as 13.7 billion years (that is each day at God's Throne measures around 2.28 billion years on Earth).

So according to the Quran:

God's Throne >Paradise/Hell > Earth

The smaller the mass, the faster the time

Moslems ask how could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have figured out that time passes slower near bigger mass?

We are sure that time is relative, that is, the age of the universe is different for observers with clocks running at different rates. For example, there exists an observer who measures the age of the universe to be 3 billion years, however he also measures the age of Earth to be 1 billion years. But the Quran presented it as a ratio (1/3) and this ratio turned out to be correct for any observer (whatever the clock rate). If the Quran presented it in any other form other than a ratio it would have been wrong for different observers.

(The Christian Bible puts the creation of Earth on day one; making the age of Earth equal to the age of the universe)


--So in the end, that verse is talking about a day in paradise/Hell.

This would be a great addition to Answering-Christianity!

 

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