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Offline Isa27James

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some one shut up this anti Islamic site
« on: November 19, 2013, 05:51:46 AM »
Assalam alykam can some one with good knowledge refute this

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

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Re: some one shut up this anti Islamic site
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2013, 06:29:35 AM »
Assalamualykum


 Brother Isa, the site which you linked above didn't provide any strong reference from any authentic sources in favor of their claim.

 Brother for time being you must refrain yourself from visiting these deviant sites. At first you need to know Islam from A to Z and then you can visit these sites. Because then you will automatically be able to refute their allegations. I also used to do the same thing. But now I have realized that without having sufficient knowledge about Islam visiting such sites might prove to be extremely dangerous. So I urge you to visit the Islamic sites and read Islamic books in order to become a strong Imandar.

 Please visit the following site:

http://kalamullah.com/


 You will get hundreds of authentic books on different aspects of Islam on the above site. And for ''Rebuttals" please visit the rebuttal section of this site :

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac8.htm#links
 

Take Care ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: some one shut up this anti Islamic site
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 07:32:54 AM »
Assalam alykam can some one with good knowledge refute this

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

AsalamuAlaikum,

Dont bother with such sites brother. There just a waste of time. full of inauthentic lies and rubbish. I skimmed the site and found a load of honestly nonsense.

I recomend reading authentic books on islam. such as the website link above. It has many awesome books.

Instead of reading websites that dont reference and speak nonsense.

Offline mclinkin94

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Re: some one shut up this anti Islamic site
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 08:20:54 PM »
Assalam alykam can some one with good knowledge refute this

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

We have seen all of these points before. That article brings nothing new.

I will respond to SOME of his arguments just in case. I will not respond to any Hadith nonsense. Hadiths are false by definition.

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The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous "divinely inspired" contradictions.  If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future?  If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul? 

There is not a single contradiction in the Quran.

Allah does abrogate his own revelations and his laws. Hello? The bible came with Jesus changing the law...

In ALlah's eternal speech is that he would abrogate scripture. So if he says that new prophets will come and abrogate scriptures, then that is exactly what is going to happen.

I trust Allah with my eternal soul. If in any event, Allah wants me to cease to exist--I will remain in submission.

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Islam claims that Allah is the same God who was revealed in the Bible. . . .  then if the Bible and the Qur'an have differing views of God, then Islam's claim is false.  Don't forget that Muhammad claimed in Suras 2:87, 29:46, 32:23, 5:44, 6:154, 6:155 that Allah confirmed the Torah (Taurat) and Christian Gospel (Injeel) (Surah 2:87, 5:46, 5:68, 29:46 and 43:63).  So, if the Torah and Gospel are correct, all the errors in the Qur'an shown below make the Qur'an false.

Allah is also the same God who has sent numerous messengers during humanity BEFORE the bible. Then, people corrupt his word. That happened in the bible.

The disturbing thing to notice is that it is coming from those who claim to be reading the Quran "carefully". Lets get one thing out of the way, since their claim mirrors the Orientalist's claim that Quran does not say that previous scriptures are in a corrupted state, let us see what the Quran actually says.  Here is the verse which clearly says that the Children of Israel يحرفون twist/distort/corrupt and forgot the words of the Dhikr and if we read the very next verse it says exactly the same thing about the Christians.

So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort (يحرفون) words from their proper places usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. Quran 5:13

So what exactly is the Dhikr in both Quran 5:13 and 5:14 which was forgotten and whose words were moved from its places?

And Quran 5:15 just nails it :) Quran 5:15 O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.

If concealing and rearranging parts of the scripture is not corrupting it then what is?

 After the above verses are brought to one's attention, if one still keeps on insisting that these verses are not enough or the more illogical position that they are not referring to the Towrah and Injil just because the words Towrah and Injil are not used then it will be easy to conclude that it is nothing but a case of intellectual dishonesty, especially when the whole narration has to do with Children of Israel.

Actually you don't need quotes from the Quran to prove that the previous scriptures are tampered with and thus corrupted. As far as evidence of Quran being the very word of God goes, there is plenty. Just because somebody hasn't taken the trouble to discover it doesn't mean it is not there by the truckload. Both positions can be independently verified by applying the test of non-contradiction, a Quranic standard.

Its clear that the Quran is referring to the real Torah and the real bible (Nt).

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   Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted.

We don't need Islamic Imams to tell us the corruption. The evidence speaks for itself. No two manuscripts are the same....The NIV removes verses from the bible that they found out are corrupted. If we don't have all the ancient manuscripts, how do we know that the corruptions are accounted for?

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Muslims should note that nowhere in the Qur'an there is even a suggestion that the Christian Biblical text has been altered or corrupted. The word "tahrif" is never used with reference to the Christian Gospels (Injil). The Qur'an occasionally accuses the Jews of altering their Scripture (like in Surah 5:13); but it never levels this accusation at Christians. It in no way implies that the text of the Gospel of Jesus (Injil) has been corrupted.  In fact, the Qur'an attests to the validity of the Christian Gospels, Zabur (Psalms)  and the Torah.

Intellectual dishonesty alert.  Never levels the accusation at Christians? It should be noted that the people of Israels religions include Christianity and Judaism. So the Quranic verse refers to both religions.

The Quran attests to the validity of the original Gospels, Zabur and Torah.

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The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation.  Much of the Qur'an was copied from early Christian texts.  Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages in the Qur'an dealing with "paradise" to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors.

1.) I'd like to see that evidence, but irrespective of it:
2.) Indeed the Quran brings forth previous things in which Allah has revealed. Remember that Allah has sent revelations to many nations and he has therefore disclosed information from them. So does it make sense that some things in the past revelations come again in the Quran? Of course.

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Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it.  The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Suras 4:150-152; 2:89; 42:13-15; 29:46-47).  See Christian Bible references to who Jesus really is: here

Who is he talking about?

This Surah below shows how Muhammad had a complete misunderstanding of the Christian Gospel, and what the Trinity is.  Apparently, Muhammad is referring to Christians.  But his error here is that both Christians and Jews believe there is only One God.  Muhammad also mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son and Mother (Mary).
- Surah 5:73-75, They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three...   

Quran 4:150-152 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and wish to adopt a way in between. Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Common sense: The Quran tells you that the Quran came to restore the original message and remind (Dhikr) you of the original message and it explicitly told you that the previous scriptures are corrupted. So what does that mean? That means the Quran contains the message of those prophets in this book. It restored the message.

This verse here is clear that you cannot disbelieve in Allah and his messengers as per Quran and say we believe some parts of the Quran and disbelieve in others. In fact that is what Jews and Christians do when they debate. They both share scripture, but they say I believe in this and I don't believe in that...

Further, there are Christians who worship Mary....Catholics. Also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choloridians  <--the Choloridians also worshiped Mary...

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You deny Jesus when you do not follow His teachings, such as He is the only way to the Father and salvation.  You deny Jesus when you do not make Him the center of your life.  Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah foretold thousands of years before His arrival (see here) by numerous Prophets of God.  Jesus led a sinless life.  And only Jesus, the Son of the Father is the awaited Christ and mediator between you and the Father.

Are we who is denying his teachings or are you, the one who is following a corrupted scripture.

Jesus is NOT and will never be the center of my life. Allah is and will forever be. Jesus himself glorified God. That means he wants you to glorify God, not Jesus.

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Muslims are wrongly taught about the Trinity.  The Trinity has nothing to do with how many gods there are. It only has to do with Gods nature and the three persons/natures that make up the one God.  Christians know there is only one God, but this God has 3 persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).  This is a mystery.  Can a dog understand the nature of man?  Likewise, we only have proofs of God's three natures.  God is spirit and light.  God's Holy Spirit is present in all places at once.

The trinity is not biblical. It is a doctrine fueled by excuse making.

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity.html

Even the jews caught you on this nonsense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OnwZIuFjwA

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Muhammad didn't do a miracle therefore he is not a prophet

The Quran is a miracle of the prophet. indeed the prophet was nothing more than a Human.

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  In many places, the Quran alludes to the fact that the earth is flat and its mountains are like poles which create a balance so that the Earth does not tilt. See Qur'an, Suras 79:30 (And the Earth after that He(Allah) FLATTENED it.; and 18:47 (and you will see the earth a leveled plain).

This has been shown MANY times in many sites to be false. Not even worth my effort

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It is He Who made the sun to be a shining brightness and THE MOON TO BE A LIGHT, and measured out stages for her; that you might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand." The Arabic word Qamara means Moon and NUR means LIGHT. Al-Qamara means The Moon. Surah 10:5 CLEARLY says ALLAH MADE THE MOON A LIGHT.

In this verse, Allah calls the sun a lamp.  Meaning it uses fuel to generate light. It says the moon is just a light. Is the moon a light when you look at it, yes. It reflects photons therefore it is lit. Not a hard concept to understand.

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The Qur'an teaches that the sun sets into a Muddy Spring on earth.

This was covered extensively, I don't even need to address it. Just re-read the verse, you don't need to be a genius. "He found it", he perceived it, he saw it setting in a muddy spring. If this verse said the sun set in a muddy spring, then it is contradiction.

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In the Qur'an where Allah speaks, he says We, Us, Our over 100 times!... Showing again and again that God is not a single person, but several persons in one divine being:

Ignorance to a new level. Its called the royal plural.

Conclusion: I'm sorry for not going over everything. Its not worth my time nor anyone else's time. Ignorance is to a new level and arrogance is to a new level in this article. Much intellectual dishonesty displayed here. This article brings nothing new.

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Brother Isa, please post anything that gives you a problem/misunderstanding with the article and we could clear that up for you!
« Last Edit: November 19, 2013, 10:04:59 PM by mclinkin94 »

Offline ThatMuslimGuy

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Re: some one shut up this anti Islamic site
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 04:00:16 AM »
Assalam alykam can some one with good knowledge refute this

http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

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The Qur'an teaches that the sun sets into a Muddy Spring on earth.

This was covered extensively, I don't even need to address it. Just re-read the verse, you don't need to be a genius. "He found it", he perceived it, he saw it setting in a muddy spring. If this verse said the sun set in a muddy spring, then it is contradiction.


If anyone is interested fully analysed and discussed here:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/did-sun-set-in-muddy-pool-according-to.html

But its pretty simple. Dhul Qarnayn Wajada the sunset.

According to:
Mini English-Arabic & Arabic-English Dictionary, Wagdi Rizk Ghali, Librairie du Liban Publishers, Page 340
Al-Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary page 1223
Hans Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary, 3rd Edition, page 1049
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran by John Penrice p.158
Arabic-English Dictionary by J.G.Hava p.884
Dictionary Of The Holy Quran, by Malik Ghulam Farid, M.A p.817
Arabic-English Dictionary of Quranic Usage page 1012
Edward William Lane

 

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