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number 19 miracle, how legitimate is this? (quranic initials)
« on: August 03, 2016, 03:50:38 PM »
Asalamu alaykum,

They say that all the surahs initialed with A.L.M have a total occurance of the three letters taken together that is a multiple of 19. The same goes for the other initialed surahs e.g ya-seen, ha-meem etc.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html

How can we know that this is legitimate? For example, isnt the Alif a vowel, therefore its not compulsory to write it, therefore how can you still count all of the Alif-Lam-Meem letters together?

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Re: number 19 miracle, how legitimate is this? (quranic initials)
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2016, 09:06:53 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Thousands of examples for the Number 19 Miracle exist here:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

And this is not from the work of the deviant, Rashad Khalifa, either.  It is from genuine Sunni Scholars.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: number 19 miracle, how legitimate is this? (quranic initials)
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2016, 08:59:15 AM »
And the rules that they used to determine what is a vowel and what is a character/letter, and what are is the numerical value for each character/letter all came from the Glorious Quran Itself, in particular from Surat Nuh, where the Noble Surah determined all of that, and it has the Numerical Miracle of claiming that Prophet Nuh (Noah) lived among his people for 950 years, and the Noble Surah Itself was written in exactly 950 letters.

I have verified this claim by counting them myself and posting them on the site.  Again, visit the link above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: number 19 miracle, how legitimate is this? (quranic initials)
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 05:51:45 AM »
Asalamu alaykum,

They say that all the surahs initialed with A.L.M have a total occurance of the three letters taken together that is a multiple of 19. The same goes for the other initialed surahs e.g ya-seen, ha-meem etc.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html

How can we know that this is legitimate? For example, isnt the Alif a vowel, therefore its not compulsory to write it, therefore how can you still count all of the Alif-Lam-Meem letters together?


Its hard 2 count alifs


i can show u other e.gs of 19

28.   NOW TO THE VERSE OF THE 19 :
NOTICE HOW MANY LETTERS AND WRITE IT DOWN IN THE SAME ORDER:
 
عليهــا    تسعــة   عشــر
3         4         5
AND WE FIND THE AMAZING NUMBER   345
FROM THE QURAN :
74:30 عَلَيْهَا تِسْعَةَ عَشَرَ
Over it are Nineteen.
IN THIS VERSE WE HAVE THE NUMBER 19 WITH THE NUMBER 345 
19 X 345 = 6555     AND IT IS THE SUM OF THE NUMBERS FROM 1 TO 114  ( THE CHAPTERS IN THE QURAN)







26.   Count how many words from beginning of verse of chapter 27 to the extra bismillah 361 words 19 x19.


Chapter 9 has missing bismillah. It has 129 verses write 1234567.....127128129/19. Over 300 digit number divisible by 19 no remainder.



What this new finding uncovers is a new encoding system based on prime numbers that protects The Message to be used to decode whatever Allah allows us of the Holy Quran and Allah guides those who seek His help.
The number of letters in each Key verse (surah fatiha) are 19, 17, 12, 11, 19, 18, and 43.
While 19, 17, 11, 19 and 43 are primes, 12 and 18 are not. However, both can combine with their left or right neighbours to produce new primes as follows:
17+12 = 29      12+11 = 23
19+18 = 37      18+43 = 61
It was therefore suggested that paired verses are meant to complete each other’s meaning as verses 2 & 3 and 6 & 7 do.
Arranging the number of letters in each Key verse right-to-left gives a number that only divides by 19 as follows:
          43181911121719    =       19 * 2272732164301
Quran 74:30 “Over it nineteen” or “عليها تسعة عشر“

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Re: number 19 miracle, how legitimate is this? (quranic initials)
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 03:38:37 AM »
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Its hard 2 count alifs

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Welcome back akhi Muzi123.  Long time no see.  Hope Insha'Allah everything had been well for you and your family.  Ameen.

I don't doubt that there are multiple Numerical Laws in the Glorious Quran.  But the one I used in the link that I gave above is very solid and air tight.  Here is how it goes:

1-  Noble Surah 71 with all of its Noble Verses give us the detailed Law on how to count the ALIFS and all other Letters in the Glorious Quran.  Not only that, but It also defines for us which Letters are countable Letters, and which are only vowels.  The following table was built from this Noble Surah:

www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

Notice in the table the ALIF and its HAMZA are counted as 1 when they have certain vowels, and are counted as 2 when they have certain vowels.


2-  When this Law was applied to Noble Surah 71, to count Its total Letters, brother Adnan Al-Refaei found that their count is exactly 950 Letters.  And Allah Almighty Said in this Noble Surah that Prophet Nuh (Noah), peace be upon him, lived among his people for 950 years.  You can see my personal verification of this, by me counting every single Letter using the Law in the table above, at:

www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0053.jpg
www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0054.jpg
www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0055.jpg
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3-  But Allah Almighty's Favour does not end here.  Brother Adnan Al-Refaei was able to find 1,000s of examples throughout the Glorious Quran that clearly demonstrate this Divine Miracle:

www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip
www.answering-christianity.com/number_19_miracle_almojizah_alkubraa_book.pdf


Among his favorite ones is the following:

Prophet Nuh's story with his people in 24 Noble Verses, which are 11:25-49.  These Noble Verses are in Surat Hud, which is Chapter 11 in the Holy Quran.  Except for one verse inside them that speaks directly to Prophet Muhammad, all other verses speak about Noah and his people.  What is STUNNINGLY MIRACULOUS about these Noble Verses is that the first set from Noble Verses 11:25 to 34, they have the total numerical value of 4,177.  Then Noble Verse 11:35, which is about Prophet Muhammad, has the total numerical value of 327.  Then Noble Verses 11:36-49 have the total numerical value of 6,159.  Therefore,  4177 + 6159 = 10,336, which is equal to  19 X 544.  In other words, the Noble Verses that only speak about Prophet Noah and his people have a total numerical value that is divisible by 19 without any remainder:

www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0268.jpg
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Furthermore on Noble Verse 11:35, it starts with: "Or do they say, "Has he forged it"?" ام يقولون افتراه :



When we take all of the Noble Verses (10:38, 11:13, 11:35, 32:3, 46:8 ) throughout the Glorious Quran that start with this exact phrase  ام يقولون افتراه , we also find that their total numerical value is divisible by 19 without any remainder.   2470 = 19 X 130.  I have verified this myself in the following link, where it does a Text Search in the Glorious Quran against the exact Arabic phrase: ام يقولون افتراه .  Yes, a total of five Noble Verses are returned:

www.answering-christianity.com/or_do_they_say_he_has_forged_it_verification_from_quransearch_com.htm

The following images give all of the details.  You can also see my hand-count in these images:
   
www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0277.jpg  (start from last verse in this image, the one that has the count of 478)
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19 X 19:

• The NOORANIYYAH Letters, or the Noorani Letters of the Holy Quran.  These are the opening Letters of several of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) that have hidden Divine meanings in them.  All Praise and Glory and Thanks are due to Allah Almighty Alone!  Now adding all of them together, using the  main table's values, gave us a total that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder.  Not only that, but their total number is  361, which is equal to  19 X 19:

www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book/Scan0138.jpg

•  Adding all of the numerical values of the  Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned in the Holy Quran also all add up to a number that is a multiple of the number 19 without any remainder:

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Taking this standard for determining which is an actual written/drawn letter and which is only a vowel from all of the Glorious Quran's characters, and applying it to the entire Quran, we found literally THOUSANDS OF STUNNING EXAMPLES AND PATTERNS (SEE LINK TO ZIP FILE BELOW) and Miracles.  And building a numerical table that gives numerical values to the Drawn Letters from most occurring to the least (value 1 given to the most occurring drawn letter, value 2 given to the second most occurring one, and so on....), and applying these numerical values to calculate the numerical value of the Glorious Quran's Drawn Letters and Words, we found thousands of stunning numerical results [1].  And the Number 19 Miracle and the BASMALA and Noble Verses 74:30-37 give you an amazing demonstration of this Divine Miracle.

The following points will clearly explain and demonstrate this Divine Miracle:

1-  Allah Almighty has designed the Holy Quran's Text to be written in a certain complex form, and with great consistency throughout the Holy Quran's 114 Chapters, which are made of 6236 Noble Verses.  The following table shows each Noble Quran Letter's numerical value:

www.answering-christianity.com/main_table.png

Also, the following zip file contains thousands of the examples, from the thousands others that I have not yet been able to get to due to my busy schedule:

www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_book.zip
www.answering-christianity.com/number_19_miracle_almojizah_alkubraa_book.pdf



A lot more details are found at:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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