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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 01:21:04 PM »
The Jewish writings from Talmud and others have remnants of Divine Revelations in them, or they simply referenced Divine Texts in their times that no longer exist today.  The Bible doesn't contain all of the Jews' writings.  There are many other writings that are outside the Bible, and the Bible itself references many books that are not in the Bible and don't exist today:

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 01:37:06 PM »
I got the refutation against those who claim that Quran has been plagi

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 01:38:24 PM »
Oh man i need to rewrite my points...

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 01:41:17 PM »
I got a refutation for those who claim the Quran is plagiarism from the Talmud but most of the article is written in Arabic & I've been waiting for 3 months for someone to translate this article into English!
Article link: http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13378

btw if someone translated the article i could start making videos again...!

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 12:30:50 AM »
Why don't u try some translating software ???

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 09:59:58 AM »
Their Crap
Why don't u try some translating software ???

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 10:53:30 AM »
I saw some body from Riyadh here (Albarra is suppose) request him to translate

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Blow up Allmodiat in the Qur'an: Introduction

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(O people , fear your Lord who created you from the same one)
then described the Almighty himself as Hermit by creating all creatures of one person, defined slaves how it was tyro created from a single soul, and Menbham so that all the sons of one man and mother of one and some of them some, and the right of each other duty should be the right of brother against brother, to their meeting in the lineage to one father and mother of one and that they needed to take care of each right to some, even after convergence in the lineage to the father mosque among them, such as they require that the minimum ratios and Atefa so some of them on some, not to Atnasfoa Atzmoa, and make himself strong for the weak right of Virtue p Li what God has crisis (Tabari)


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First , some important definitions that we will use in our subject , God willing ,
1 ) Definition of the Talmud
is a Hebrew word meaning "education", which shows the entire Jewish legal literature, summarizing the tradition , which came after the Bible. It is a huge legal and ethical groups include Mishna and interpretation, draw on several stages after the third century in Aramaic.
It consists of the Talmud of two main parts:
a) Mishna : It is a Hebrew word meaning "to repeat" a collection of oral laws codified in the second century AD to the interpretation and application of Jewish - Shara in the areas of family and criminal provisions and other agriculture, consisting of 6 sections and 23 articles.
B) Gemara : means in Aramaic , " the study of traditions" means in Hebrew "consummation" was recorded after the third century AD, called the authors Pal (Alomuraiam) or commentators, and containing discussions of Rabbis of Palestine and Babylon, and there are Palestinian Gemara and Aljmara Albalblah and the second is more comprehensive and reliable, and called the Talmud containing the Palestinian Gemara Palestinian Talmud and the Talmud containing the Babylonian Gemara Aallmod Babylonian, and the Mishna by one in Allmodan.
2) the importance of the Talmud when the Jews
occupy the Talmud , an important place among the Jews , especially Orthodox, and reflected this as mentioned by Dr. Abdul Wahab Meseiri in his encyclopedia:

Perhaps the depth of this trend is the transformation of the Jews to the functional group would like to maintain its identity and isolationism, and centering on the Torah ( the book of the Jews the Bible) is the fastest way to accomplish this. But, with the adoption of the Christian holy book of the Torah, the Jewish Rabbinate confirmed (Talmudic) the importance of the Talmud Torah on the account, and then became a «Bible study» means in fact «study the Talmud.»
3) Alhajada definition or Alajada
a moral explanation of the texts of the Bible differs from the legal explanation or "Ahalakah - Ahalakhah", including news written and events of the past and stories, and the distinction must be made between Alhajada and Alajada, as Alajada only launches the previous definition , a general definition includes any stories Heritage or explain the moral heritage of the Jewish holy texts, while also calling Alhajada the previous definition also launches the sacred Jewish text that tells the story of going out and recited before the Passover meal at the feast of the Jews.
4) midrash
, a Hebrew word that literally means "doctrine" and is derived from the Hebrew verb "Droush" in the sense learns and is intended to explain Alrabeyen and their interpretation of the group Astenbatathm the Bible, there is a "Midrash Halakah" , which deals with topics legitimacy and "Midrash Hjada" , which deals with topics Alokhalaqh and stories.
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Second, some of the important points that need further attention to refute suspicions and false allegations


Before going into the suspicions of various subjects that claimed the Christians and atheists that Islam has taken from Judaism, there are several very important points must pay attention to it, which in itself can indicate the extent of the fall of these claims , namely:


(1) illiteracy Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him , which indicates the impossibility of studying the books of the Jews confirms this verse and what I read to him from a book not of sound if your right hand , perplexed doers [Spider 48]

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(2) the impossibility of the arrival of the legends of the Talmud and the texts of the Arabs of Mecca for the following reasons:
a) their isolation Jews , Arabs from their fellow Christians in other countries where the Talmud still in the stages of editing and writing both in Babylon, Palestine or other ....
Valtlmod did not reach the final shape only in year 700 AD after the advent of Islam as Aloueckabdia:
the question the color : as to the Gemara When Put Into the finally herself Its Present Is Not Settled FORM Among Modern Scholars. The Text Of : Some didnt Not Reach Its Final Around 700 Until FORM . Traditionally, the rabbis who edited the Talmud after the end of the Amoraic period are called the Saboraim or Rabanan Saborai. Scholars Also Use Style : Modern The Term Stammaim (From The Hebrew Stam, Meaning "Closed", "Vague" Or "Unattributed") For The Authors Of Unattributed Statements In The Gemara . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud and suggesting that what Israel said Wolfensohn (History of the Jews in Arab countries) My Page 11-12





If Kan- door Alomanh- There are some views that denies this , such as what was said Dr. Jawad Ali (detailed in the history of the Arabs):
According to some Jewish historians that the Arabian Peninsula Jews were isolated from the rest of the sons of their religion and separation, and that other Jews did not see Arab Jews like them in the faith, but they saw that they were not Jews, because they did not keep the laws of the Mosaic was not subject to the provisions of the Talmud. That is why the Jews did not want for anything in the Arabian Peninsula News authors Alabbaranyen.uanda that the absence of anything about the Jews in the Hijaz News Authors Hebrews can not be proof of the isolation of the Jews of the Hijaz from the rest of the Jews. He has also neglected the others did not refer to them, because the authorship and intellectual activity. When the Hebrews who had been concentrated in these covenants on Jewish settlements in Iraq and Palestine, and the "Sea of Galilee" in particular, was famous for its Jewish communities that have spread elsewhere in authorship, it was natural that confined the Jews news in this covenant in these two countries. But this did not refer to the Jews of Hijaz and Jews to the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. Then the Hijaz in contact with Palestine, and Palestine is part of the Hijaz integral to him Jgerafba, which is connected to Palestine since ancient Palestine commercial implementer, and the port of "Gaza" from places that were frequented by traders Hijaz trafficking, and the movement is always going on between Palestine and the Hijaz, was Jewish merchants from the people of Hijaz trade with the Levant and in , inter alia , the land of Palestine, it is unreasonable , of course , to become the Jews of Hijaz in isolation from the Jews of Palestine, and not be among the Alahudyn connection. In terms of religion and of belief views, it may be among the Alahudyn some difference, the difference of opinion between inks Iraqi Jews and between inks Jews of Palestine signed, do not rule out permission opinion say there is a difference in the point of view of the Jews of Palestine for the Jews of the Hijaz, as may be the Jews of the Hijaz The Jews of the Arabian Peninsula have been affected by the Arabs who, pitched them forced to stick to alleviate Ahaair their religion, and especially among the Jews of the Arabian Peninsula Jewish Mthudon ended.
Goes Dr. Abdul Wahab Meseiri the first opinion and believes that trade relations between the Jews of the Arabian Peninsula and the rest of the Jews did not go beyond trade relations that existed between them and the rest of the Arabs:
do not mention the Jews of the Arabian Peninsula in the Jewish or non - Jewish references before sent the Prophet (peace be upon him) given to break their relationship with the rest of the world 's Jews. The relationship with the Jews of Palestine, who speak Aramaic, a business relationship is not different from their other Arab tribes relationship.
http://islamport.com/d/1/aqd/1/321/1...CE%ED%E4%C7%E5
is clear from the two opinions they did not Bikunoa on their close contact, otherwise we would have seen them scientists and the Talmud on the famous Rabeyen the Jewish community level, and we have seen them Talmudic scholars, but this did not happen.
(B) not they are subject to the Talmud is fully controlled and non - recognition of him , which indicates a lack of interest in him as the rest of the Jews , and this was confirmed by the Wolfensohn in his book Page 13



It is the same as mentioned by Dr. Jawad Ali in quoting former Dr. Jawad Ali:
because they did not keep the laws of the Mosaic was not subject to the provisions of the Talmud. That is why the Jews did not want for anything in the Arabian Peninsula with the authors of the Hebrews.
It also mentions Dr. Abdul Wahab Meseiri in the same source of the former:
no mention of the Jews in the Arabian Peninsula , Jewish or non - Jewish references sent by the Prophet (peace be upon him) because of the interruption of their relationship to the rest of the world 's Jews. The relationship with the Jews of Palestine, who speak Aramaic, a business relationship is not different from their other Arab tribes relationship. There is even some evidence indicates that the Jews of Damascus and Aleppo were not (in the eighth century AD) , considered the Jews of Arabia Jews at all because they did not know if they knew the Talmud was not subject to its laws. It seems that Jewishness was summed up in the faith in the doctrine of monotheism and the Old Testament. The rabbis read the Old Testament in Hebrew and Arabic Icherhouna for listeners. The Jews know some books midrash. It is said that the Arabs embraced Judaism that the island was like more than they have a tribal party has origins and dimensions of the Jews as a religion of Palestine, as it was just to hold a heads of tribes or their bellies or thighs of the Jewish religion automatically leads to his followers converted Jew. However, we can not exclude the existence of a strong pantheism layer in the doctrines of the Jews of the Arabian Peninsula. This is because no doubt the Arab paganism surrounding them. Show pantheism strongly in the thought of Abdullah bin Saba (or Sabaean if we take the view that goes into it is a historical figure).
C) shows the above is also no mention of Jmara in any trace of Old ..... while Mishna said the wording (Almthah) in some of the few monuments such as
the approaching time to raise the bad guys and put the good guys and Iqbh say and Ihpson work and read in the folk Almtnah I said and what Almtnah said what was written only the book of Allah
Narrator: Abdullah ibn ' Amr ibn al - Aas updated: Haythami - source: Complex appendages - Page or number: 7/329
summary of the updated rule: the right men men
d) that most of the Quranic stories and points that claimed quote from the Talmud was in the period of Mecca , where there is been absent Jews beside the lack of priests and monks in Mecca has clove Brother Wang in this part subject an excellent detailed on this link:
http://Http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/newreply...reply&p=401394



Do you quote the Jews from Muslims ?????
Ward Jaddaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... especially in this area, and that the Jews themselves admittedly Omc words of Muslims .....

Introduction to interpretation Saadaa Gaon - Moshe Mordechai Zucker - Page 43, 44
showed us that the Jewish commentators Aguetpsoa many Muslim commentators





The book mentioned many things taken Jewish scholars from the Muslims ... we mention, for example ... arbitrator ... of Like

This confirms Dr. Mohamed Khalifa in the introduction to the book page 4


He quotes Dr. Mohamed Idris the same talk about the book ignác goldziher in the Islamic influence in the Jewish thought Page 19





Says Rabbi Naftali Rothenberg

Judaism and Islam owes much to the emergence of the Jewish philosophical works full in the Middle Ages. This includes literature, which emerged from in- depth dialogue with Islam and Muslims influenced by intellectuals, among other things, the writings of Rabbi Saadia Gaon and the son of Maimonides and Rabbi Bachaya son Pakuda Rabbi Yehuda Halevy, and formed a cornerstone of Jewish culture based on the present day.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/arti...0&sp=0&isNew=1

If the quotation of Jews from Muslims Ward Jaddaa ....

Can you be the Prophet, peace be upon him is adapted from Alhajada ???
Let us decide some of the facts ....
1. Apostle was my mother does not read or write ... We have proven this here
2. There is no book with Arabic subtitles under the life of the Prophet , peace be upon him , and
we have proven this http: // www. ebnmaryam.com/vb/293549-post4.html "] here [/ the URL]

3- most of the stories came in the wall Makiya containing Mary Ikhlas is the substance on the prophet Ibrahim dialogue , peace be upon him: with his father Al Makiya .. and many other Wall contain stories and tales of former nations such as stories, Yusuf and Younis .....
this is dangerous because Jaddaaaa .... Mecca where the Jews did not !! .....
and this is contained in many texts indicate the presence of Jews in Mecca ... or they lack a few
But it is certain that Mecca was not where Jews is aware of ....
We find this in the story of the test Quraish Messenger of Allah peace be upon him when he wanted to test his prophecy
sent a mission to toners Jews in the city in order to come from the Jewish rabbis questions and Asoloha of the Prophet , peace be upon him ......... Vzhabhm city the biggest proof of the presence of Jews in the science of Mecca
and the story in detail http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/293545-post2.html "] here [/ URL]
This story is proof the lack of knowledge of the Jews in Mecca Questions ....

Dr. Israel, Wolfensohn says in the book of the history of Jews in Arab countries - Page 98
this story shows evidence of the absence of a Jewish flag in Mecca



Another guide
came in Sahih Muslim
, the Messenger of Allah , peace be upon him the city and found the Jews fastingon Ashura Vsiloa about itthey said this day that God showed Moses and the ChildrenIsrael We Pharaoh saidhim fasting veneratingProphetpeaceupon himand wefirstyou ordered Moses enjoining
http://hadith.al-islam.com/display/D...Doc=1&Rec = 2491
This novel conclusive .... and confirmabsenceJews in Mecca ... (orfew)
Prophetpeaceupon him did not know thatJews fastAshurabut whenimmigrated tocity ...
has tried some Orientalists prove the existenceJews in Mecca ..... butwhole Flimsy evidence
History did not tell us thatJews have had their own neighborhood in Mecca ... orcertain temple they reside faithfultheir prayers



E) to see the Talmud was in this period was not guaranteed to Jews in general , but it was a special scholars who only general follow them which shows the difficulty of access to the texts Aamthm .... The chapter Wang also this part


Even if there were Jews in Mecca ... holy. Books are not available, but the rabbis only ... was not circulating among people like the Quran and Hadith in Islam ....

Came in the introduction of the book - the Talmud Hyphen sequence and etiquette






It is also evidenced in the Arabian Peninsula, in particular, the story of Islam Abdullah bin peace may Allah be pleased with him.

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(3) that the Prophet , peace be upon him and he knew that the Jews books Olvoha and left the Torah for it and this is what Apenth conversations:
The children of Israel , wrote a book , follow him and left the Torah
Narrator: Abu Musa Ash'ari updated: Haythami - Source: Complex appendages - Page or number: 1/197
summary of the updated rule: his men are trustworthy

from the approaching time to raise the bad guys and put the good guys and Iqbh say and Ihpson work and read in the folk Almtnah I said and what Almtnah said what was written only the book of Allah
Narrator: Abdullah ibn ' Amr ibn al - Aas updated: Haythami - source: Complex appendages - Page or number: 7/329
summary of the updated rule: correct his men
he prayed the E him and he knew that there are books composed outside the scope of the Torah .... how can convey what they hear them as they claim , knowing that they may speak of these human books? .... In this response to those who claim that peace be upon him not He knows the existence of the Talmud was thought that all Jews speak of the Torah.

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(4) that the Islamic and Jewish cultures substantially intersect in the centuries and the middle, especially in Andalusia under the shadow of Islamic rule and was the era of flourishing intellectual for the Jews as a result of what they found freedom and justice in the light of the Islamic state , which led to the affected Muslims and this clearly shows in the thought of Maimonides , who It is one of the greatest thinkers of the Middle Ages and the Jews so far put his image on the Israeli shekel ..... and the writings of Maimonides which shows clearly influenced by Islamic thought such a book (Hieran guide).
In this link , detailed examples influenced by Maimonides Islamic thought:
http://Http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/maimonides-islamic/
and also examples of this Jewish philosopher Said Ben Youssef Fayoumy known Bsaadaa Jaan , who lived in the ninth and tenth centuries, one of exponents Torah and the author of the book ( the secretariats and beliefs), which is influenced by broad knowledge of the speech in his writings.
In Wikipedia: with
In His Commentary On The "Sefer Yetzirah", Saadia Sought To Lucid And rendered on the Intelligible The Of the content This Esoteric workTel by vBulletin® The Light Of Scientific Knowledge And by philosophy, of a System Especially by vBulletin® Of Hebrew Phonology which is He himself muslim Had Founded. Didnt Not Permit He , himself muslim In This Commentary To Be Influenced by vBulletin® The Theological Speculations Of The Kalam,
http://Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saadia_Gaon
Examples also Judah Halevi Jewish philosopher influenced his Imam Ghazali:

The Position Of Judah In- , Levi Ha The of the Jewish the domain by
philosophy Is Parallel To that In Occupied Islam by vBulletin® Ghazali, by vBulletin® Whom He influenced herself
http://Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_ha-Levi
these are some examples that illustrate the extent of the Jews throughout history influenced by culture Islamic.
Wang also mentioned some details about this part:

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(5) that the Jews influenced by Islam arrived in reducing the theft of Quranic stories and prophetic traditions and sayings of the Companions and attributed to themselves and examples that the story of Joseph peace be upon him and the story of Abraham and Ishmael peace be upon them by the Jews themselves , the testimony now which Snodha in detail , God willing , in the detailed responses for each point.
We find also several books and articles separated the extent influenced by Jewish culture of Islam (such as the impact of the philosophy of al - Farabi at the forefront of Maimonides), d. Jamal Ahmad Rifai also (Arab and Islamic heritage in my book «ethics reform» and «Mukhtar Jewels» to Solomon ibn Gabirol), a. Dr.. Abdel Razek Ahmed Qandil.

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(6) The Talmud is very huge book up to almost 10,000 pages have been subjected to many of the burning and opacity in addition to being under a period of time does not see except Alhakhmat clerics and suffered over time from burning and hide and delete the texts pleasing to the church and so ..... all this assures us beyond any doubt not be the stability of its provisions Ir this long period of time and under these circumstances.
We find in the Jewish encyclopedia in detail about the attacks and arson suffered by the Talmud through history:
http://Http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...2&letter=T#145

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(7) the oldest manuscripts Babylonian Talmud currently dating ninth or tenth century .... This link from the islamic-awareness in which detail about the Talmud manuscripts , quoting the book "Babylonian Talmud manuscripts) for this Krupp M:
Http: //www.islamic- Awareness.org/Qur...s/BBCandA.html
The Manuscripts Of The Babylonian Talmud
A Detailed List Of The Manuscripts Of The Babylonian Talmud herself Michael Produced by vBulletin® this Krupp. [72] We 're Dealing With is on Be Some Of The Earliest And important 's ones that Here. the
MS of Oxford Bodleian Lib. 2673: It Is The Oldest Firmly Of The Manuscript is dated Babylonian Talmud. It is dated Is From 1123 the CE And Keritot With Lacunae of a contains. the
MS Florence 's the National Lib. 7-9 - III: It herself Completed In 1177 the CE. About one 's Comprises it the third Of The Babylonian Talmud. Is it Written In Italo-Ashkenazic SCRIPT. the
MS 165 from Hamburg: it herself Written 1184 In the CE At Gerona. Is it An Exemplary Representative Of Spanish ma 's Tradition Nuscript. the
MS New York the Jewish Theological Seminary in No. 44830: It Is the CE 1290 is dated To And Avoda Zarah of a contains. the
MS of Munich Cod. Heb. 95: It contains the entire Talmud, written in Ashkenazic script and dated to 1342 CE. Its completeness makes it certainly the most important Talmud manuscript.
In the Jewish Encyclopedia:
A Fragment Of Considerable Length In The Cambridge Library, And Possibly The Earliest Extant Manuscript Of Babli , Also The Treatise of a contains Pesaḥim; Been Edited will become It by vBulletin® the Lowe ( "The Fragment Of Talmud Babli Of The Ninth Or Tenth the Century," Cambridge, 1879); and in its four folios it includes the text of fols. 7a, below -9a, middle, and 13a, below -16a, above, of the editions. The pages are divided into two columns; and the entire mishnaic text precedes the chapter ; the several sections, even those beginning with a new paragraph of the Mishnah, have an introduction only in the case of the first word of the mishnaic passage in question, with the word as superscription.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...2&letter=T#127
This is also the link of this Jewish site mentions the oldest manuscripts Mishna:

The Oldest Of The Manuscript Copies the Mishnah, are On In Parma ( the 13th Century) , Cambridge (On which the Jerusalem Talmud is said to be based), and New York (vocalised fragments, 10th or 11th century). The first printed edition appeared in Naples ( 1492), with the commentary of Maimonides. The current editions of to-day are accompanied by commentaries of Obadiah di Bertinoro of the 15th century, and Yomtob Lipman Heller of the 17th century. The Mishnah has often been translated; the latest version being in English by Canon Danby. Critical Edition Of A The the Mishnah, However, Is For The Task of a repute
http://Http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/nezikin_h.html
and this we see that the oldest manuscripts dating back to the Talmudic after Islam hundreds of years as well as they return the time of peak influenced by Jewish culture to Islamic culture.

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(8) The Koran was the sayings of the Prophet , peace be upon him quoted from the Talmud as they claim where we find miracles Quranic in the Talmud and Jewish books of heritage such as the sperm and the relationship and the pump and create a picture of the fetus after 42 days and locations of stars and your love (texture) the sky and pelletizing the night and day and the rotation of the sun and its neighbors towards Mstqrha and the rotation of the sun, moon, day and night and to predict the defeat of the Persians at the height of their victory over the Romans and predict a lot of Muslims and their weakness , despite caste and unpredictable to leave the camel and not to seek them and erase the light of the moon and predict the spread of science, writing , and Er so much and so much ..... and where we find in the Koran myth to Adam from earth to heaven and from the end of the world to the other end and where in the Qur'an that Adam was headed and Eve were created from one vertical or she created from the tail where the myths of the Jews that mentioned the Messenger of Allah , peace be upon him lying like their claim that the Almighty God rested after creation , as in the Book of Genesis or saying that the man if the woman came from the boy came back passage squint and other myths ...

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(9) There are some similarities between ancient literature and the Bible , an example epic of Gilgamesh , which are similar in many of its details with the story of Noah 's flood in the Bible For more details please refer to this topic:
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there is the interpretation of two of the similarity of the epic of Gilgamesh with the story of the flood in the Bible although the epic of Gilgamesh the oldest of the Bible: the

first
that the writers of the Bible Aguetpsoa of the story of Gilgamesh and that the story of Noah in the Bible is the plagiarism of Gilgamesh , the

second
that the authors of the epic of Gilgamesh Bulghm more or less the story of Noah 's flood peace be upon him either by transmission of the generations of the story Or through the prophets , it is
important that they were known to have Vaguetpsoa including the Epic of Gilgamesh
and the story came again in the Bible by divine revelation

, Jews and Christians and Muslims would choose the second possibility

now to apply the same principle to any similarity between the Koran and the Jewish heritage of the Talmud and Alhajada and Apocrypha
we have two possibilities
first possibility
to be what in the Koran - ask forgiveness of God Almighty - transferred from the Jewish heritage of the
second possibility
that what in the Talmud and assented , the Koran is what he told them his prophets, but he did not write down between the covers of the Bible and handed down their scientists orally T Donoh in the Jewish heritage and
then came the news in the Holy Quran again inspired by God

and that we are in the strange case of the Bible and the Gilgamesh we find Christians assert that it remains of the possibility of prophecy
and in the case of the Qur'an we find them assert the possibility of transport !!!!
What you how you judge O Christians ??? !!!

This is with the mention of the Bible for some of the old books that we do not find in our hands today , such as travel things Solomon and the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel and the other which Christian says it is a historical and political books and is not alive and therefore we do not find today in our hands and will be seen more of this through the responses and discuss the various suspicions by permission God ,
why not say then , that some of what came from the stories in the books of the ancient Jews and Uagaha Koran may be true, this is of course next to contain myths are not out of her, the basic principle in our view , as Muslims , ancient books , whether legal when their owners or illegal are either to agree what came The Koran shall be a remnant of revelation and the remnants of the words of the apostles , who arrived to these books either orally or in writing or be contrary to the express Quran and Sunnah is of the human interventions that are unrelated to the revelation either did not come the mention of the Koran or the year it tolerate it and let history.

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(10) which can be any that Nstanjh from the previous point is that the inhibitor to be some of what came in the books of the Jewish heritage is a true roots either from the remnants of revelation or of the miracles of the immortal prophets , which have been frequent across generations , either verbally or in writing, and be these writings sources has been lost as lost travel (historical and political) cited by the Bible that this is true?

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(11) We note that the New Testament writers were quoting from the Apocrypha and Alhajada and specialists recognized in the Christian Jewish tradition
, and we'll show two examples here , God willing

The first example: Quote writer Jude from the Book of Enoch Alobokreva

We read in Judah , sanitation 1 14 -15

14 , prophesied of these Enoch also , the seventh from Adam , saying , Behold , the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints , 15 to execute judgment on everyone and punished all Fjaarham on all acts of debauchery , which blew out and all the difficult words spoken by him sinners Fajar.

To see the correspondence between the two texts (Jude and Enoch)
Enoch Ch1: 9
9 And reputation beyond repute! He , Cometh With the ten Thousands Of His Holy ones that
To execute the judgment - upon - All,
And To the destroy All The the ungodly:
And To Convict All Flesh
Of All The Works Of Hwy Ungodliness which is they 're Have the ungodly Committed,
And Of All The Hard Things which is the ungodly Sinners Have spoken against Him.
http://Http://www.thenazareneway.com/book_of_enoch.htm

Jude CH 1: 14-15
14 And Enoch Also, The From the seventh , Adam, Prophesied Of These, up saying, Behold, The ADONAY Cometh With the ten Thousands Of His saints . ,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/B65C001.htm

clear and terrible match in the texts !!!

Because of the previous quote
differed Christians in their books ,
some of them saw the Book of Enoch legal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
and of them Tertullian and may see it as indicated by paragraph Aloykebedea that the Jews refused to recognize the existence of the travel of Enoch prophecies which relate to Mr. Christ , peace be upon him ,
and so far is still recognized by the Ethiopian Church:

http://Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

while some of them refused to recognize the message of Judas because of a quote from the Book of Enoch and is illegal in their eyes:

Http: //en.wikipedia .org / wiki / Book_of_Enoch
here we ask Christians question:
How do you say that the book of Enoch travel Obokrevy while writer Jude quotes him as a legal inspired travel?
Come see the answer Christians
http://holy-bible-1.com/articles/display/10298/ajax
and what concerns us from their answer is:

and understand the answer to the Christians the following
first
that there are true things in the Jewish tradition was not recorded in the Bible
Second
, the apocryphal book , and also make sense of the Talmud and Alhajada Aguetpsoa correct things from the Jewish tradition and built by legends
now comes our role to ask them
what inhibitor to be stated in the Qur'an agree to the Apocrypha and the Talmud and Alhajada is what is true where, not legends and myths Jews?

Second example: the quotation of the names of Pharaoh's magicians Jewish heritage of others written in the Bible
Paul says in his second letter to Timothy: 3
(8 as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses , so do these also resist Alhak.anas of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.)
If our search in the whole Bible we do not find any mention of Jannes and Jambres withstood them
, but we find mentioned only in Alhajada stories
Sahran of Pharaoh 's magicians appeared at the mentioned throwing incident Aaron his stick , which has become a living and making Jannes and Jambres withstood like him with their batons and mocked him.
Jannes and Jambres, the sons of Balaam , derided Moses, saying, "Ye carry straw to Ephrain!" whereto Moses answered, "To the place of many vegetables, thither carry vegetables."
They mentioned also when the children of Israel crossing the sea:
Among The Egyptians Were The the two- by arch Magicians Jannes And Jambres. They made wings for themselves, with which they flew up to heaven. They also said to Pharaoh: "If God Himself hath done this thing, we can effect naught. But if this work has been put into the hands of His angel, then we will shake his lieutenants into the sea." They proceeded at once to use their magic contrivances, whereby they dragged the angels down.

Among the Egyptians Jannes and Jambres withstood Alsahran. They made for themselves wings and flew into the sky. They said to Pharaoh: If God himself is doing this we are but
if this work has been developed between the hands of the angels will we throw to the sea aides. They began immediately in the use of magic pulled their games where the angels down.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj303.htm
and so understand how Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses , call
and here it is clear how the New Testament writers, led by Paul were considered sacred Alhajadih stories true stories in which no doubt and take them lessons, and not just myths claim as Christians
and to see exponents of the testimony of Scripture from the transfer of names of the Jewish tradition
says Tadros Malty:

with many thanks to the virtuous sister Abida and beloved brother ang
and for more details please check
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb /t179590.html
and also with many thanks to the atheists who said similar words about the quotation from the new Testament writers Alhajada when he also fought in the quote The alleged Qur'an came from the Talmud Christians and transferred them for quoting the Koran partial of the Talmud and forgotten the New Testament quotation Alhajada !!!!!!


Followed by the permission of God ....




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Re: Need refutation
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 11:21:44 AM »
Its google ... :D

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Re: Need refutation
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 12:01:31 PM »
Thank you but i done this before it's atleast 30-40% inaccurate btw can you make a refutation on this video thank you! :)
Video which needs to get refuted, link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty_2G_esUvI
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 12:17:05 PM »
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work...(Wikipedia)....

"Stealing and publication" does not include the
affirmation of that book,
mentioning the name of the book
request to acknowledge that book

One who plagiarizes would never mention the source

The one who steals would never do so, but when the author is same, he would affirm the previous editions, he would like the acknowledgment of his other books, he would mention the names as well...

See and realize yourself whats the case, Different authors stealing each others work, wanting to hide their plagiarism OR same Entity who has sent the Books which He wants to be acknowledged, but the books which were forged by the corrupts, so He sent the final version and saved it....

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 02:19:26 PM »
ok how can i contact & where is he now?
I saw some body from Riyadh here (Albarra is suppose) request him to translate

 

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