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This is a quote from the link that you gave.  Mr. Ramanujan might be a mathematical genius, and an expert in Calculus and Differential Equations, and has a great analytical mind, but he is not Messenger of GOD Almighty. 

I understand you to mean that Ramanujan was too smart to be trusted as receiving "external" revelation. Ramanujan should have been intelligent enough to produce his revelation "internally". Nice compliment for Muhammad's intelligence (i do not share this view).

 

I don't think you really read with care what I wrote to you, Mokko.  The Glorious Quran's Miracles in Science and Mathematics are what NASA and the Computer Age of today have begun to unveil.  And Allah Almighty made it very clear that He put those Miracles in the Holy Quran as a proof to Its Divinity.

So again, why don't you bring your best argument against the Holy Quran's Scientific Miracles and see if our Holy Book is Miraculous or not?

My second best argument is that proofs are built on precision and clarity. If science did not pay attention to precison, it would split into sects, like some religions. I am sorry to say that your "miracles" are not precise enough to be useful for ordinary people. Most science is made by ordinary people, not geniuses, and these people need straightforward proofs, step-by-step arguments, like children. Otherwise, they do not understand. They are too dumb to read between the lines accurately.



If you can find the receipe of a drug against cancer in the Holy Book, it would be nice to share it. Ibn Kathir did not. This proof is not sufficient for you?

My best argument is: if you seriously believe in your theory, apply it yourself: use Allah's knowledge to solve hard scientific problems (you have plenty of choice), unveil them before the Nasa does, and believe me, many people will follow your method, as there is a lot of money at stake.



Example: here: http://www.answering-christianity.com/speed_of_light_in_quran.htm you say that the speed of light can be determined from the verse: [Quran 32.5] "(Allah) Rules the cosmic [btw, do we find the word "cosmic" in the arabic version?] affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count."

I honestly do not see how this verse could have anything to do with the speed of light. But maybe you have better ijtihad skills than me, and in this case, you can help the world:  can you tell us how to predict the three-dimensional structure of a protein from its amino acid sequence?
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_structure_prediction

Do not wait until someone else solve this problem, in order to tell us which verse to read, and how to interpret it. Millions of lives are at stake (cancer, viruses...), it is an emergency.


Up to now, the most famous application of this kind of method is Ibn Baz's famous proof, in 1969, that the earth was flat. He carefully read hadith and Quran, and did not care about "non-Islamic" information. In short, Ibn Baz conducted what doctors call a "blind experiment" (!).

It is enough to show that this "knowledge" does not produce interesting results. Maybe tomorrow, with a better method of ijtihad (out of reach with today's knowledge), some Muslims will do better. After all, it is not impossible: science also needs confidence and inspiration.

It's just that no one here really cares about these old lame and boring arguments that are presented by agnostics and atheists and Islamophobes.  The Glorious Quran is the Divine Miracle of Allah Almighty. (...)

I am not sure that what you affirm is really incompatible with the Geschwind syndrome explanation (moreover, this explanation does not imply that he was "crazy", I insist). It was precisely the point of my post. You did not reply to it, nor anyone else.

My post was fully consistent with your "scientific miracle" project: I just asked if it was possible to re-read Quranic verses in light of scientific discoveries on Geschwind syndrome.

An angry and reactive attitude usually does not help in understanding the subtelties of an argument.

However, I will follow your advice, and look for a community that better suits my values and attitude.

Muhammad is the last prophet.

arguments?

I really don't feel it is necessary to list each point and the link of the article that directly refutes it.  I'll leave that to the reader to sort through.  Our website has literally 1,000s of articles and rebuttals.  There are well over 1,000 rebuttals to direct attacks on Islam on the website.  And your links above give at least 200 points against Islam.  It'll be massive to list each one of them here and the link that refutes it.

Therefore Mokko, like brother Egyptian suggested above, can you please list your top 5 to 10 points that you feel should be a concern to Muslims regarding Islam?  I think this will be far more realistic and will enable us to engage the topics in more details and more fairly.

I look forward to interacting with you on this.

Thanks,
Osama Abdallah

Thank you for these links (indeed, wikiislam seems to be a kind of mirror of answer-islam). I am currently focused on one point, see my thread on epilepsy. Feel free to discuss it.

thank you for the link, i will read it.

PS: Egyptian, you wanted to discuss a specific point, I raised one on another post (on "Quran, miracle and epilepsy")

thank you for your replies. QuranSearchCom, I look forward reading your refutations, and discussing them.
 
Egyptian, I am certainly not an expert of the field, so I may not be the best partner for discussion now. I prefer waiting for the replies of QuranSearchCom, before digging into the subject (however, my personal preference is that you can leave aside biology, and focus on simple logic and physics (simple physics: where the sun hides after sunset, flat earth..., not the big bang) ).

His replies will be useful for everyone: indeed, I did not find any website replying to the objections found on Wikiislam (not even a blog), and I was just surprised.

However, I agree with you that the tone of Wikiislam is not very friendly. It is their mistake, but I am sure that you will be able to focus on healthy questions and objections about this faith. Some people do not hate anyone, they just want the truth.