I am trying to convey the message that is inherently taught in the giving of Laws. A law is for the unrighteous. If men were perfect or good, we would have no need of instruction on what not to do. We would do by our nature what is good, but as it stands the whole world is enslaved by sin and the power of sin is in the law given.
Well deal with it , humans are not perfect and they may do good or bad . And if truth leaves falsehood in peace , falsehood will NEVER leave truth in peace . That's why Allah sets laws and orders for us to follow . There's chaos without laws , that's basic common sense . Even physics have law !
The point I am driving home here is that God is required by His great nature to make the first move in revealing Himself to mankind.
And that's why he sends prophets and messengers . So ?
I further argue that a prophet is not sufficient enough for a man to understand God because all men are in the same position finite and sinners.
Your argument is invalid and you contradict yourself . The almighty creator is beyond our capabilities to comprehend . And thus , without him telling us of himself , we don't associate any characteristics to him . And don't compare between the prophets in Islam and what you allegate to them of the most hideous sins .
My point here is that how will any revealed law bring me closer to God when that same law shows me that I am a sinner and it condemns me to death. Get one thing straight though we are worse than animals we commit mass murder genocide and violent rape something all animals don't even consider. They may kill to eat but we kill for pleasure and riches. Who do you think you are surely you've broken God's commands what do you think that makes you. Beats are ignorant if anything we are worse off because we have God's laws and still disobey.
That's your own personal belief . Man has the nature of doing good or evil . Man is not purely good or evil whatsoever :
91:7 And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it 8 And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness, 9 He has succeeded who purifies it, 10 And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].
I don't want to keep pushing this, but did any of you fast for all the days in ramadan. if you didn't, then what will your punishment be.
None of your business .
Why are prophets greater than the run of the mill man? Because they comprehend God better than man seeing as how God revealed himself to them directly.
Like what you claim Allah did of showing his back to prophet Moses ? You're trying to push an idea here and you don't stop to realize how wrong it is . Creatures can't comprehend the almighty .
42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
And Allah doesn't just pick whomever there is for prophecy . It might seem like a game to you but it isn't . Prophets are easily better than the rest of mankind and THAT'S why they become prophets . Then again , I'm not sure you associate good characteristics to prophets .
I asked you guys several times to tell me what it is you people preach and I get no answer.
Between these walls of text - where you don't even bother separate - , where did you ask this ? However , we invite people to one true lord who says about himself :
112:1 Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, 2 Allah , the Eternal Refuge. 3 He neither begets nor is born, 4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
We invite to respect of parents , helping ones in need , being patient in hardships , and the list would go on and on if I keep going .
Furthermore words are meaningless when compared to actions.
You seem to turn a blind eye to serious problems whenever you make a statement . Without words , how on Earth will you know that the "actions" you preach are right ? You seem to be a rare breed of Christians I have never seen before . While they all defend the Bible and claim it wasn't corrupted , here you are acting like it wouldn't matter .
Again i'm going to tell you that what I wrote was not about Islam, but it was a challenge against all men who claim to be prophets on God's behalf. There have always been false prophets in the world and such men were motivated by their own lust for power and satan.
Well I can claim that such people are the ones who altered the true message of Christ peace upon him . So answer your own challenge and show us why should we believe them ?
I hope that you will see that God personally revealing himself to mankind is greater than God revealing Himself to mankind through prophets.
You've been going on and on about this for a while now without seeing serious issues with it . Why did God leave people misguided all that time without "revealing himself" (I already said it's blasphemy and impossible) ?
Therefore, no matter what you have been taught about Jesus not being God, it is worthwhile to look at Christianity since it is the only religion that has God personally revealing himself to mankind.
You did NOT just say this ! Ever heard of Krishna in Hinduism ? He's the son of God , born of a virgin , is able to walk on water , and died for the sin of mankind . Kinda strange , huh ?
I know I am going to heaven because God has already had mercy on me.
Then kill , rape , steal , and do whatever hideous crimes come to your mind since you're going to heaven . THIS is the issue here . Your arrogance makes you think that your belief is enough to have the mercy of Allah . We on the other hand take belief AND actions . And while Allah promises a good life in the afterlife to who believes in him , we always ask him to guide us to the best and take us away from the worst . If mercy would be given to whomever , people's rights would go down the drain ! You're talking about fantasies here , we're talking about reality .
1. if your prophet wont make it to heaven on what he does what chance do you have?
The mercy of Allah is what saves us , and in case you don't know - you don't - , on of the names of Allah is the merciful . We attain a balance between love , fear , and hope . We worship Allah out of love , fear of his might and punishment for our sins , and hope of his mercy . Further more , Allah said prophets are to enter paradise , and while that is with his mercy as well , it still answers you .
2. How can God have mercy and still be a just judge (if He lets sin go then he is not just)?
And I suppose the "love" you keep talking about is just ? And no , forgiving sins doesn't contradict being just . Do I need to repeat such a simple given fact ? When I as a human forgive someone who did wrong against me , am I being unjust ?
3. Why would Mohammed encourage his followers to do something in futility? (its impossible for them to get to heaven by doing good so they should continue to do good?)
I already told you , we combine both belief and work . We don't just sit back and do nothing and then expect to be rewarded for that .
4. What takes a person to heaven according to your religion how can anybody be sure they are going?
No one is except whom Allah said will . That is why we do good and avoid evil . If everyone were sure to go to heaven eventually , there won't be a reason for good deeds and no reason to avoid evil deeds . And as I already explained , we combine love , fear , and hope .
5. Some people believe that Mohammed is perfect and sinless, but this verse proves that he is not because God doesn't need to have mercy on those who have never sinned and if he never sinned then his righteous deeds would take him to heaven because God cannot condemn someone who never sinned. Why do some Muslims say Mohammed is perfect.
While there is a huge difference between the "sins" of the prophets and the sins of the rest of mankind , yes , no human is sinless because no one is perfect except the almighty himself . And we don't say prophet Muhammad is "perfect" as in the sense he's flawless , but as in that he is the best of mankind . In the end , it's probably just a misconception about the term .
6. I am 100% positive I am going to Heaven why would I convert to Islam when their main prophet wasn't even sure?
Like I said , go ahead and sin all you like since you'll go to heaven for sure . And don't bother with any good deeds .
7. All if God's prophets were certain they were going to be with God for eternity. If Mohammed is a prophet from God why isn't he sure he is going to Heaven?
You mean all the prophets according to YOUR book . And that's why they did adultery , killed , and worshiped other than Allah . But we declare that they are innocent of what you falsely describe .
Which is a better motive love for God, or fear of God?
Both . In addition to hope .
9. If I do good things to go to heaven (paradise or the target) then aren't I being selfish, and If I am being selfish then how can anything I do be considered good?
I already explained that we combine all three in our worship . But still , if I know I'd go to hell for eternity , would I be considered selfish if I do something to prevent that ? Especially on such a day :
80:33 But when there comes the Deafening Blast 34 On the Day a man will flee from his brother 35 And his mother and his father 36 And his wife and his children, 37 For every man, that Day, will be a matter adequate for him.
10. If God has mercy on us because we do good then how can it be considered mercy? Mercy means we don't get what we deserve, but if God looks the other way because we do good He's not being merciful He is rewarding us for doing good.
NOTHING we ever do is enough respect to Allah almighty . That is why there is mercy . Still , that doesn't mean to NOT do good .
Jesus isn't a man that's what you believe.
Have you no shred of shame ? YOU'RE the one who said :
Being fully man and fully Divine
Like I explained When Jesus was a man He was a man in every sense of the word,
Twist it however you like , that's imperfection . There can be an Afro Asian who has the characteristics of both , but that's because both are human and finite . You want me to believe that the unlimited is the same as the limited . Two contradicting statements cannot be both right .
I don't know what you mean but if you are taught that Mohammed is the best of humans they are wrong we already saw that Mohammed put himself in the same boat as all of humanity in that quote you gave about good deeds and mercy. Whoever taught you this is wrong or you can take the opposite side and say that Mohammed was wrong.
This statement of yours isn't worth a penny . He may not have been perfect - perfection is only for Allah - but he's STILL the best of mankind . Being best doesn't mean you're flawless . You're trying to play with words here and you fail .
All men sin this is what makes Jesus unique because He didn't.
Why do I have the feeling a simple Google search will prove this wrong ? Further more , that's YOUR belief . And how on Earth would God place himself on the scale of judgement ?! 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 ! Do you see the problem here ?!
God is far exalted above anything I could possibly describe or the Bible that has been my Whole point all along. How God is so much greater then the words of Holy Books. God's action of becoming a man to die and serve me is something I have yet to fully comprehend the action is to great for my finite mind to absorb a kind of action and plan that has originated in the infinite mind Of God.
A nice way to turn around the actual issue . You just said he died . That means he's finite . That means he lacks power . Being human in itself is imperfection . Why would I worship someone imperfect ?
Nevertheless I know this has all come from God because it is to perfect and contradicts all of what Human biengs would do.
While Jews lack a lot of faith and Christians lack a lot of asking for proof , we have both . When we're convinced with proof of Islam , we believe whatever it says by faith . But when the foundation of the religion itself is impossible to understand , what proof is there ?!
if your quran teaches that God is infinite in love then where is this love displayed in Muslims.
Allah isn't just about love . And love isn't in the 99 names . Look them up .