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Peace  :)
I recently stumbled upon a few hadiths which all state that the Caliph Ali had with him a peace of paper and he said that, basically, that in addition to the quran, God also had something written down whats on a piece of paper.
There are multiple Hadiths on this issue, you can find most of them here: (to find the complete arabic version and to find out whether the hadith in question is Weak or Authentic, click on the hadith)
I have a few questions on these hadiths:
1. Each Hadith mentions something different that is written in these papers, which one is true?
2. Some Hadiths state the a muslim is not killed if he kills a non muslim, What is the rationale behind this?
3. I am an Arabic speaker and the hadith is more properly translated as "A Muslim is not killed for a disbeliever", does this really mean that a muslim is not killed for murdering an innocent dsbeliever?
4. If "a muslim is not killed for murdering a disbeliever" is false since there are many sayings on what was written on that paper, could you please provide a story or hadith (source stated), in which the prophet executed a muslim for murdering a non muslim?

Thanks in advance,
Keep up the good work Mr. Osama Abdallah


GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / the prophet letter to oman
« on: August 11, 2014, 11:32:34 AM »

I recently saw this letter, its from the prophet (PBUH) to the Kings of Oman.
رسالة الرسول إلى ملوك عمان
كتب  إلى ملك عُمَانَ كتابًا وبعثه مع عمرو بن العاص :

"بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ، مِنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللهِ إلَى جَيْفَرٍ وَعَبْدٍ ابْنَيِ الْجُلَنْدَى، سَلاَمٌ عَلَى مَنِ اتَّبَعَ الْهُدَى، أَمَّا بَعْدُ،
فَإِنِّي أَدْعُوكُمَا بِدِعَايَةِ الإِسْلاَمِ؛ أَسْلِمَا تَسْلَمَا، فَإِنِّي رَسُولُ اللهِ إِلَى النَّاسِ كَافَّةً؛ لأُنْذِرَ مَنْ كَانَ حَيًّا، وَيَحِقَّ الْقَوْلُ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ، فَإِنَّكُمَا إنْ أَقْرَرْتُمَا بِالإِسْلاَمِ وَلَّيْتُكُمَا، وَإِنْ أَبَيْتُمَا أَنْ تُقِرَّا بِالإِسْلاَمِ فَإِنَّ مُلْكَكُمَا زَائِلٌ عَنْكُمَا، وَخَيْلِي تَحُلُّ بِسَاحَتِكُمَا، وَتَظْهَرُ نُبُوَّتِي عَلَى مُلْكِكُمَا"
. وكتب أبيُّ بن كعب وختم رسول الله  الكتاب
ابن القيم: زاد المعاد 3/605، وابن سيد الناس: عيون الأثر في فنون المغازي والشمائل والسير 2/334
كتاب النبي إلى جيفر وعبد ابني الجلندي الأزديينالكتب/عيون الأثر في فنون المغازي والشمائل والسير **/كتاب النبي إلى جيفر وعبد ابني الجلندي الأزديين /i52&d54597&c&p1

to thos unable to read or understand arabic, here is the english translations:

"In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

From Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah to Jaifer and ‘Abd Al-Jalandi.

Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite both of you to the Call of Islam. Embrace Islam. Allâh has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instil fear of Allâh in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny Allâh. If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship."

Doesn't this seem threatening? The Prophets other letters tot the kings were peaceful, why was this one violent? In the other letters, it seemed the prophet was asking them to convert otherwise God will punish them. Why is this one different, is the Isnaad Sahih. is the letter displayed in Oman authentic, or could it be a forgery?

Answering Christianity made an article on this but it does not address the issue at hand

Thank You my freinds and Osama Abdallah for your site and helpl

« on: March 21, 2014, 06:52:21 PM »
Peace Brothers
I have heard two contradicting reports. First is that the Caliph Umar, lifted a ban that prevented jews from entering the city of jerusalem. Another report I heard was that he enforced an already existing ban because of an agreement with the Christian patriarch of the city.

Im not sure its true, but apparently I heard that Christian and late islamic Sources favor the former opinion while Jewish tradition favors the latter.

Can you please help figure which opinion is the right one, and please back it up with primary resources

Thank You,

« on: January 12, 2014, 04:48:22 PM »
I would just want your opinions on a possible solution for the Arab-Israeli Conflict. I have my own opinions but i was wondering what your were.

« on: August 03, 2013, 12:59:46 PM »
I was watching a youtube video a while back, and, in the comments i saw muslims debating each other on religious issues, which i saw no problem with that. However, i also saw muslims insulting and bashing each other, of minor religious importance, sometimes Sunni-Shia insulting, but also some sunni-sunni, and shia-shia, debates. I was horrified at these.
Suddenly, a person commented some great wisdom, his comment was this:
"Instead of bashing each other on whether to fold our hands or not, we should fight against those who want to chop them off"

it soon reached the most liked comment on the video
this quote touched me and soon after, the muslims began to reconcile and start debating a non-beleiver on the board, together. There were no insults after that, even from the non believer or towards him/her, it was just a intellectual debate. I hope we muslims can debate peaefully with each other, but can overlook our minor differences in faith and focus most of our effort at the non belivers, by debating with them intellectually.

« on: April 08, 2013, 11:49:30 AM »
Qur'an 15:19
Qur'an 20:53
Qur'an 43:10
Qur'an 50:7
Qur'an 51:48
Qur'an 71:19
Qur'an 78:6
Qur'an 79:30
these verses some islamophobes say that theyprove that islam say the earth is flat.
i noticed this site has proof that says the earth is round however, it doesnt have a page that refutes islamophobes on this issue, if there is i must have missed it so an you link it.

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Clearfication on a hadith
« on: March 24, 2013, 04:05:41 PM »
I have 2 questions for you
I have come across hadiths that supports my theory that "asabiyyah", is blind patriotism extreme nationlism, not just love for ones country (patriotism) and race (nationalism).

A woman called Fusayla said that she heard her father say, "I asked, 'Messenger of Allah, is it part of disobedience for a man to help his people in something which is unjust?' 'Yes,' he replied."

حَدَّثَنَا زَكَرِيَّا، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا الْحَكَمُ بْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا زِيَادُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنِي عَبَّادٌ الرَّمْلِيُّ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَتْنِي امْرَأَةٌ يُقَالُ لَهَا‏:‏ فُسَيْلَةُ، قَالَتْ‏:‏ سَمِعْتُ أَبِي يَقُولُ‏:‏ قُلْتُ‏:‏ يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ، أَمِنَ الْعَصَبِيَّةِ أَنْ يُعِينَ الرَّجُلُ قَوْمَهُ عَلَى ظُلْمٍ‏؟‏ قَالَ‏:‏ نَعَمْ‏.‏

Reference    : Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 396
In-book reference    : Book 21, Hadith 12

and heres another

Narrated Wathilah ibn al-Asqa':
I asked: Messenger of Allah! what is party spirit? He replied: That you should help your people in wrongdoing.

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا الْفِرْيَابِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا سَلَمَةُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، عَنْ بِنْتِ وَاثِلَةَ بْنِ الأَسْقَعِ، أَنَّهَا سَمِعَتْ أَبَاهَا، يَقُولُ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا الْعَصَبِيَّةُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ أَنْ تُعِينَ قَوْمَكَ عَلَى الظُّلْمِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference    : Sunan Abi Dawud 5119
In-book reference    : Book 43, Hadith 347
English translation    : Book 42, Hadith 5100

Hoowever both these hadiths are considered weak by Al-Albani. Can someone give me the reason why its weak, and what Al Albani said on it.
Also, there is a third hadith in Musnad Ahmad of similar wording, but i cant find its exact location, and scholars reference this one the most, can you please give it to me. Also is it a authentic, weak, good, etc.

« on: March 18, 2013, 03:45:29 PM »
My friends, I have made a list of all the sites that have exellent rebuttals to the anti-Islamic claims, please can you add to it, thanks.
also, some of them are not working, and i have used these ones more than others by a lot, if someone knows why they were taken down, please tell me (I could have just gotten the URL wrong though). I noticed that many of the good resources are getting taken down, it was not that long ago when they were all working.     (not Working)          (Not working)                    (Not working)                   (Not working)                          (Not working)                      

My fellow muslims, if we are to save these knowledge we have to use resources other than the internet (The internet is a priority though), but so is debating, prosylizing, and writing, books. We also need to save these knowledge, it wont take you 1 minute to copy and paste a good article into a word document, maybe a few more to print it.

« on: March 10, 2013, 02:40:12 PM »
I have read many articles to show gods existance, I dont mean a christian/muslim god, but a presence of a higher power. I though they were great, but i seem to have lost them, plus, I have forgetten many of the information that i recieved, i oly clearly remember one about the big bang, how it could not have been possible without some external force (Not exactly but i dont want to get into detail), but thats about it, can you give me evidence and some good articles  ( I like these better because i can save the links in my stash). Thanks

« on: February 19, 2013, 04:15:53 PM »
Dear Osama Abdullah
I believe that this forum, and/or the messages should include attachments
I have many PDF files which i would like to post but i can't.
And i think it would be too long for the copy/paste thing

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / correcting a Misconception
« on: January 19, 2013, 05:37:19 PM »
Ive heard that muslims cannot be nationalistic and patriotic because the prophet forbade "asabiyah". Its true that the prophet forbade it but asabiyah is hating some group for the soul reason of your family or race, sometimes you can see this in the arab and muslim world against jews (even anto zionist ones), and vice versa.
You can be nationalistic in islam and love your fatherland, just dont be racist.
Proud Arab Nationalist

« on: January 12, 2013, 10:13:20 AM »
In islam, this is the development of the embryo.
Narrated `Abdullah bin Mus'ud:
Allah's Messenger (), the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise."

حَدَّثَنَا الْحَسَنُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ خَلْقُهُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ مَلَكًا، فَيُؤْمَرُ بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، وَيُقَالُ لَهُ اكْتُبْ عَمَلَهُ وَرِزْقَهُ وَأَجَلَهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ‏.‏ ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ مِنْكُمْ لَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ كِتَابُهُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، وَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ النَّارِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3208
In-book reference    : Book 59, Hadith 19

is this true, is there any proof of it?

Also i heard that according to islam, sperm generates at the spine, but this is not is this true fact, is their any proof?
From a debate, Osama Abdullah said this is because if the spine is damaged, you cannot have kids, so there is a connection. however, we should also note that there IS a connection because the spine is part of the nervous system so by that logic, serm scould generate at the neck or brain.
Someone please explain

« on: January 06, 2013, 07:02:33 PM »
I know this is an islamic forum, but i want to stress the fact that world unity is important
I remember that in 2009 i saw i video i youtube that remind me that even though we follow different religions, we should still be united:
here it is:
inshallah there would be more people like this man, his name is matt, that would get people to come together and dance.
PS he made a new video that i STRONGLY encourage this one was in 2012:

I think his message is spreading in america and the world, like they let me fast in ramadhan when i was in summer camp, because i couldnt when i got back.
I love humans

« on: December 28, 2012, 05:43:13 PM »
I know this is the third topic in a row, sorry, but i got to know. (Hay, that rhymes :) )
If you can pray witr at a later time, do you have to?
I mean you can pray it and have no excuse not to, will it still be counted if you pray it earlier?
Peace give me proof, in English and in arabic sources if you can

« on: December 28, 2012, 05:37:15 PM »
I have some extra cash lying around i which I want to use it open up a debate hall and have some debates. By using this I want to accomplish 3 goals:
  • to have dialogue within the Islamic community
  • to show understanding for each others beliefs
  • to reach out and show that Islam is a wonderful and peaceful religion

It will have 2 kinds of debates:
  • Inter-Islamic debates
  • External-Islamic debates /li]
*note that names could be changes, im not satisfied with the names.

Inter islamic debates are some topics in which the muslim community is divided upon, i which we can bring our diverse ideas to the table and talk about them. It also features dialogue between the muslim sects. Topic included would be:
Is Islam compatible with secularism?
Does Islam allow modern pictures?
Is the beard compulsory?
Can a male and a female be friends Islamicly?
Is there such thing as "halal-dating"?
Is nationalism against Islam?
Does Islam call for a global caliphate?
Should the imams succeed the Prophet as the head of state?
Is the hadith reliable?
Can women wear pants? (believe it or not, some say yes, some say no)
Is chess Haram?
Which hadith is reliable?
can non-muslims vote in an islamic state?
Do new Muslims have to change their names?
Can females be leaders of a state?
Can Islam modernize?
can a Muslim pray in any language?

External-Islamic debates are debates against non-muslims accusations of Islam, topics included are:
Is Islam violent?
Is Islam more violent then other religions, specifically Judaism and Christianity? (I got the perfect man for the job for this one)
Does Islam issue the killing of apostates?
Is Islam against free speech?
Is Muhammad a true messenger of God? (this one includes many sub topics)
Did Islam improve Arab Civilization?
Can Muslim integrate into western civilization?
Do Islam command to fight unbelievers simply because they are unbelievers?
Does Islam sanction Honor-Killings?
Does Islam oppress women?
Is Islam racist?
Does Islam sanction Rape for female slaves?

Can you guys give me feedback ans answer these questions:
1. Can you guys recommend good debaters?
2. What other topics should be included?
3. What should the debate structure be?
4. What should be the rules?
5. What is the requirements of the debaters?
6. should it be 1 v 1 debates or group debates?
Also please voice your own opinions, recommendations, and considerations?

Im serious about this project, I've been thinking, about it for a while, gonna use the money to make these happen.
Thank you guys, remember this is a new project that could take years.

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