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Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« on: February 05, 2013, 10:24:45 AM »
Professed Muslim, meaning even if one says he is a Muslim, but he is not, you can still not call him a kaafir as an instruction here:

Quran 4:94 - ...Do not accuse anyone who claims himself to be a Muslim of disbelief just for worldly gains.

But let's say they ARE in fact, polytheists. Can we call them names?

Do not say crude words to those who call upon other than Allah, lest they use crude words about Allah in revenge without knowledge. As such we have made the actions of each nation seem pleasing. To their Lord they shall return, and He will inform them of that they were doing. ‌[6:108]

 Volume 8, Book 73, Number 125d:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "If a man says to his brother, O Kafir (disbeliever)!' Then surely one of them is such. "

Calling another Muslim a kaafir has been listed by scholars as The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

"Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.'' (Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); see Arabic-Urdu edition cited earlier, vol. ii, p. 213. See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that by which he entered into it [i.e. the Kalima].'' (Majma` az-Zawa'id, vol. i, p. 43)

In the hadith Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.'' (Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna, edition published by Quran Mahal, Karachi, vol. iii, p. 484)

 Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.'' (Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.'' (Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)

"And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.'' (Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)

 "He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.'' (Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)

 He said: "Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)

"It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)

"A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)

"As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.'' (Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)

Allama Sayyid Jalal-ud-Din wrote: "The takfir of people of the Qibla is itself an act of unbelief.'' (Dala'il al-Masa'il)

Ibn Abu Hamra, a saint, wrote: "It has already been stated that the rule of the Ahl Sunna is that they do not call kafir, or consider as going to hell eternally, anyone who is of the people of the Qibla.''

"The Imams have made it clear that if there is any ground for not issuing takfir, a ruling of takfir should not be made, even if that ground is weak.'' (Raf al-ishtiba `an `ibarat al-ishtiba, p. 4, published in Egypt)

"Some prejudiced persons from the Asharis call the Hanbalis as kafir, and some Hanbalis call the Asharis as kafir. But their calling each other kafir is not right because the belief of the trustworthy Imams of the Hanafis, Shafi`is, Hanbalis, and the Asharis, is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Miftah Dar as-Sa`ada wa Misbak as-Sayyida, vol i, p. 46)

"The generality of the theologians and the jurists are agreed that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.'' (Al-Mawaqif, printed in Cairo, p. 600)

The famous eighteenth century saint of Delhi, Khawaja Mir Dard (d. 1785 C.E.), wrote: "We do not call kafir anyone of the people of the Qibla, even though he may be following falsehood or novel beliefs in most matters, because the acceptance of the oneness of God, and the affirmation of the prophethood of Muhammad, and the turning to the Qibla, do not expel them from faith as such. So he would be of those who follow later inventions and falsehood from among the Muslims. The Holy Prophet said: `Withhold in the matter of the people of the Qibla, that you do not call them kafir'.'' (Ilm al-Kitab, p. 75)...
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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 03:27:22 PM »
It always makes me sick when Muslims call other Muslims kafir. It's divisive and benefits no one.

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 05:08:54 PM »
It always makes me sick when Muslims call other Muslims kafir. It's divisive and benefits no one.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Believe me, it makes me sick too.  But it also makes me more sick when we, the mainstream Muslims, stand back like this and let deviant heretics have a field day with Islam through their pagan and idol worshiping practices.  I've already demonstrated this thoroughly by debating a Shia here on this board, as you know.  All of our exchanges were linked in the following URL:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

And I posed a question to all Muslims to answer at the very end of this article.  And I pose direct it to you here as well:

I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship and polytheism, then what is it??

Please read the link before giving a too general answer.  If you want to object to my point, then I expect a more direct answer to the points that I listed in this link above.  And by the way, Allah Almighty did call Muslims as:

1-  Hypocrites.
2-  Mushrikeen (polytheists, idol worshipers, associators partners with Allah Almighty).

In the Glorious Quran.  So yes, you can declare a Muslim as a muskhrik if he does polytheistic and paganistic stuff.  And the Shias are so full of these!

And to answer the other brother who said:

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Calling another Muslim a kaafir has been listed by scholars as The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

Careless use of this word is certainly a big sin, because it promotes tumult (fitnah) among Muslims.  But injecting false polytheistic rituals into Islam, and insulting Allah Almighty, and also declaring that the Glorious Quran is corrupt puts someone outside Islam.  Visit the link above.

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Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir

If that other "Muslim" wants to destroy the basic pillars of Islam, then no, you must fight them.  Did not the 1st Islamic Caliph, Abu Bakr fight the apostates because they wanted to changed the laws of Zakat and leave Islam?  They had several groups and several purposes.  Also, does not satan himself also believe that GOD Almighty is One?  Is satan now a Muslim?

Your point is valid if one carelessly and irresponsibly declares Muslims as infidels or apostates.  Just because, for instance, you and I might disagree on something, it doesn't mean that I should declare you an infidel.  This would be completely wrong, and it's a great sin.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 09:10:14 PM »
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Allah Almighty did call Muslims as:

1-  Hypocrites.
2-  Mushrikeen (polytheists, idol worshipers, associators partners with Allah Almighty).

In the Glorious Quran. 
Where does he say "those who disagree with me are doomed to hell"?

You told Amar he's doomed to hell, and hell is too cold for him. No one knows about how one will be judged but Allah. Unless you're omnipresent, then provide some proof!

Allah also turned the Jews into apes, doesn't mean it's ok for us to do so too

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 09:16:20 AM »
There needs to be more unity within the ummah. Great evil is being perpetrated by self-righteous Muslims. Shi'ites and Ahmadis are being massacred in Pakistan. :'(

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 10:06:56 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have just updated my detailed rebuttal to all Shias with ample more Noble Verses that further clearly and indisputably prove and demonstrate that Shiism is nothing but a false polytheistic cult.  In my rebuttal also, I did state that certainly not all Shias are polytheists.  But this cult or religion that they follow or claim to belong to is polytheistic.

So those who are guided among them, should stay as far the hell away as possible from this sick polytheistic cult.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

I invite you to ponder upon the ample Noble Verses that I provided in this rebuttal, to see for yourselves the danger of this false religion of theirs.  Yes I agree, not all of their followers might be polytheists.  Usually the public and the ordinary who are not too religious are innocent from all of the fanatics of their religions.  This applies to ALL religions.  But the fact still remains that the Shia religion is a polytheistic one.

So I say to the guided ones from the Shias, please ponder upon the Noble Verses that I presented in the linked rebuttal, and see for yourselves the danger of continuing to follow and support this cult.  It is not Islam.  It's a polytheistic cult.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 10:32:42 AM »
Think about it. If they are really that evil, would people really need the information on your website to figure it out?
Dictionary definition of Shiism:

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"Shia" is the short form of the historic phrase Shīʻatu ʻAlī (شيعة علي), meaning "followers", "faction", or "party" of Prophet Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin Imam Ali, whom the Shia believe to be Prophet Muhammad's successor in the Caliphate. Like other branches of Islam, Shia Islam is based on the teachings of the Quran and the message of the Islamic prophet Prophet Muhammad.[1][2] In contrast to other types, the Shia believe that only God has the right to choose a representative to safeguard Islam, the Quran and sharia. Thus the Shias look to Imam Imam Ali, Prophet Muhammad's son-in-law, whom they consider divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Prophet Muhammad, and the first imam. The Shia extend this belief to Prophet Muhammad's family, the Ahl al-Bayt ("the People of the House"), and certain individuals among his descendants, known as imams, who have special spiritual and political authority over the community.

Although there were many Shia branches throughout history, modern Shia Islam is divided into three main branches.


So generalizing a very large group that has many small branches and denominations is dangerous.

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 10:48:12 AM »
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Although there were many Shia branches throughout history, modern Shia Islam is divided into three main branches.

So generalizing a very large group that has many small branches and denominations is dangerous.

Shias are among the biggest liars.  They all condone the absurdities that were exposed here.  We don't see them openly condemning it.  Furthermore, in the Arabic video, their scholars even attacked the Glorious Quran and said it was corrupt.  The real "Quran" is 3 times our Quran, and it is nothing like ours.

I will translate the Arabic video by this weekend, insha'Allah.  I only got part one done.  I will get the others done, insha'Allah.

Shias are liars, and their religion is a polytheistic cult!  Get that in your head my brother.  Any Shia who disagrees with the absurdities that we presented, isn't a shia then.  And he/she is STRONGLY advised to distance themselves from this evil cult.

I mean come on man.  Who in his right mind would slash himself like the morons that we constantly see doing it every year, almost to the point of death?  And they slash their own children too.  Does not this by itself speak ample volumes about them?  Where are the demonstrations that condemn this?  You've seen how the Shia that I debated said that tatbir (the slashing practices and self-beating practices) were even APPROVED BY THE PROPHET OF ISLAM HIMSELF!  So not only they are polytheists and idol worshipers who idolized mere creations, but they're also liars who lie on the Prophet of Islam!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 10:53:43 AM »
I don't care what the scholars said. Hitler said he was carrying out the will of the almighty creator. Does Hitler represent all Catholics? Anyone can post random videos of Bin Laden quoting 9:5 and pointed a finger upwards going "Wahido, Wahido..."

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he/she is STRONGLY advised to distance themselves from this evil cult.
“And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves;”
[Al Qur’an 3:103]

You might wanna check this out
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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 11:02:09 AM »
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I don't care what the scholars said.

When the top scholars of a religion overwhelmingly agree on certain things, then you can't ignore such positions.  I said it before, and I'll say it here:  If a Shia doesn't agree with the things that their top scholars say about Allah Almighty, and the Glorious Quran, then that Shia isn't a Shia, and he/she is strongly advised to leave this polytheistic cult.

And by the way, did you know that the word "Shia" is also forbidden in the Glorious Quran?  Allah Almighty DIRECTLY told us to not be Shias (divisions).  It's like you naming yourself a Kafir Muslim, or a Mushrik Muslim.  It doesn't work!

So even the name of their false cult and false religion is repulsive!  Everything about this deviant cult, including its very name, is repulsive!

Again, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2891.html#new

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 11:35:14 AM »
And by the way, did you know that the word "Shia" is also forbidden in the Glorious Quran?  Allah Almighty DIRECTLY told us to not be Shias (divisions).  It's like you naming yourself a Kafir Muslim, or a Mushrik Muslim.  It doesn't work!

So even the name of their false cult and false religion is repulsive!  Everything about this deviant cult, including its very name, is repulsive!

Again, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2891.html#new

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

2:256 - There shall be no compulsion in the religion

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did you know that the word "Shia" is also forbidden in the Glorious Quran?
In American dictionaries, Shi'a means "the Muslims of the branch of Islam comprising sects believing in Ali and the Imams as the only rightful successors of Muhammad and in the concealment and messianic return of the last recognized Imam"
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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 02:01:32 PM »
Did not the 1st Islamic Caliph, Abu Bakr fight the apostates because they wanted to changed the laws of Zakat and leave Islam?  They had several groups and several purposes.  Also, does not satan himself also believe that GOD Almighty is One?  Is satan now a
No, it wasn't because they left Islam that they attacked, it was becuase there armies, especially sajah's were advancing and planning to capture Medina, the muslim capital, not paying taxes were also a motive, the apostate army was at of dhu Husssa, next medina, before abu bar even thoughto of attacking them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
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Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 03:24:33 PM »
Did not the 1st Islamic Caliph, Abu Bakr fight the apostates because they wanted to changed the laws of Zakat and leave Islam?  They had several groups and several purposes.  Also, does not satan himself also believe that GOD Almighty is One?  Is satan now a
No, it wasn't because they left Islam that they attacked, it was becuase there armies, especially sajah's were advancing and planning to capture Medina, the muslim capital, not paying taxes were also a motive, the apostate army was at of dhu Husssa, next medina, before abu bar even thoughto of attacking them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
there is freedom to leave islam
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Thank you for the correction, dear brother Zulfiqar.  May Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.

Take care,
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 10:37:43 PM »
A lot of this rhetoric is the same thing non-Muslim put forth to us. They quote religious leaders saying you can do all kinds of weird things.

 

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