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Sir , Mashallah from ur website I got a lot of help & Inshallah soon I will also. Be doing daawah sir till now the only answer which I was unable to get was about the meteorite shower on jinns sir can you plz help me with dat as soon as possible
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Sir , Mashallah from ur website I got a lot of help & Inshallah soon I will also. Be doing daawah sir till now the only answer which I was unable to get was about the meteorite shower on jinns sir can you plz help me with dat as soon as possible
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,
Welcome to the board. May Allah Almighty continue to bless you by keeping you in Islam, and by further strengthening your faith in our Cherished and Precious and Beloved Religion and Faith, Islam. Ameen.
As to your question dear brother, this topic is actually one of the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran. The Jinns are not struck by any rock or meteorite. The Glorious Quran is CRYSTAL CLEAR about them being struck by special Stars in the Universe (http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm). I know that there are Hadiths that say that Jinns are struck by meteorites. But the Glorious Quran completley contradicts this.
[067:005] And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
67:5 ولقد زينا السماء الدنيا بمصابيح وجعلناها رجوما للشياطين واعتدنا لهم عذاب السعير
Meteorites are not stars, nor are they lamps for the Lower Heaven, which could be our Galaxy or a section inside our Galaxy. They come and go in a short amount of time, and their light is short. So they couldn't possibly be the lamps (stars) that are talked about in Noble Verse 67:5.
There are many more Noble Verses that I provided. Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm. Read Main Sections #1, 2, 3 and 4. I've proven this in great details.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Sir , Mashallah from ur website I got a lot of help & Inshallah soon I will also. Be doing daawah sir till now the only answer which I was unable to get was about the meteorite shower on jinns sir can you plz help me with dat as soon as possible
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,
Welcome to the board. May Allah Almighty continue to bless you by keeping you in Islam, and by further strengthening your faith in our Cherished and Precious and Beloved Religion and Faith, Islam. Ameen.
As to your question dear brother, this topic is actually one of the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran. The Jinns are not struck by any rock or meteorite. The Glorious Quran is CRYSTAL CLEAR about them being struck by special Stars in the Universe (http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm). I know that there are Hadiths that say that Jinns are struck by meteorites. But the Glorious Quran completley contradicts this.
[067:005] And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
67:5 ولقد زينا السماء الدنيا بمصابيح وجعلناها رجوما للشياطين واعتدنا لهم عذاب السعير
Meteorites are not stars, nor are they lamps for the Lower Heaven, which could be our Galaxy or a section inside our Galaxy. They come and go in a short amount of time, and their light is short. So they couldn't possibly be the lamps (stars) that are talked about in Noble Verse 67:5.
There are many more Noble Verses that I provided. Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm. Read Main Sections #1, 2, 3 and 4. I've proven this in great details.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Where are these hadiths found?
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Tanveer,
Actually, I just re-researched this, and the Hadiths don't seem to make this explicit. But here is a Hadith about the meteorites:
"'Abdullah. Ibn 'Abbas reported: A person from the Ansar who was amongst the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) reported to me: As we were sitting during the night with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), a meteor shot gave a dazzling light. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: What did you say in the pre-Islamic days when there was such a shot (of meteor)? They said: Allah and His Messenger know best (the actual position), but we, however, used to say that that very night a great man had been born and a great man had died, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: (These meteors) are shot neither at the death of anyone nor on the birth of anyone. Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, issues Command when He decides to do a thing. Then (the Angels) supporting the Throne sing His glory, then sing the dwellers of heaven who are near to them until this glory of God reaches them who are in the heaven of this world. Then those who are near the supporters of the Throne ask these supporters of the Throne: What your Lord has said? And they accordingly inform them what He says. Then the dwellers of heaven seek information from them until this information reaches the heaven of the world. In this process of transmission (the jinn snatches) what he manages to overhear and he carries it to his friends. And when the Angels see the jinn they attack them with meteors (Shahab). If they narrate only which they manage to snatch that is correct but they alloy it with lies and make additions to it. (Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5538)"
Again, please visit http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm to see how the Glorious Quran defined Shahab, and how the Glorious Quran talked about the Stars shooting rays against the Jinns. Read Main Sections #1, 2, 3, 4 from the article.
Anyway, not all Hadiths are authentic. Those that contradict the Glorious Quran and/or Science should be discarded as fabrications, or misundertanding by people. People when narrating from each others, they paraphrase. And as we all know, people naturally tend to add their own interpretations and versions and twists to the narration or story. This is not necessarily always due to bad and malicious intentions.
Hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,
I have just updated Main Section #3 of the following article with more proofs:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm
It seems that Guided Pulsar Rays (perhaps there are other stars as well) are used to shoot down the devils by Allah Almighty's Will. Pay special attention to Noble Verses 37:6-10 & 86:1-3. The Glorious Quran's Miracle is clear. Please try to refute my arguments. I challenge everyone to give it a try. Constructive challenges and criticisms are beneficial. Through them we learn and advance.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Tanveer,
Actually, I just re-researched this, and the Hadiths don't seem to make this explicit. But here is a Hadith about the meteorites:
"'Abdullah. Ibn 'Abbas reported: A person from the Ansar who was amongst the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) reported to me: As we were sitting during the night with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), a meteor shot gave a dazzling light. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: What did you say in the pre-Islamic days when there was such a shot (of meteor)? They said: Allah and His Messenger know best (the actual position), but we, however, used to say that that very night a great man had been born and a great man had died, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: (These meteors) are shot neither at the death of anyone nor on the birth of anyone. Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, issues Command when He decides to do a thing. Then (the Angels) supporting the Throne sing His glory, then sing the dwellers of heaven who are near to them until this glory of God reaches them who are in the heaven of this world. Then those who are near the supporters of the Throne ask these supporters of the Throne: What your Lord has said? And they accordingly inform them what He says. Then the dwellers of heaven seek information from them until this information reaches the heaven of the world. In this process of transmission (the jinn snatches) what he manages to overhear and he carries it to his friends. And when the Angels see the jinn they attack them with meteors (Shahab). If they narrate only which they manage to snatch that is correct but they alloy it with lies and make additions to it. (Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5538)"
Again, please visit http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm to see how the Glorious Quran defined Shahab, and how the Glorious Quran talked about the Stars shooting rays against the Jinns. Read Main Sections #1, 2, 3, 4 from the article.
Anyway, not all Hadiths are authentic. Those that contradict the Glorious Quran and/or Science should be discarded as fabrications, or misundertanding by people. People when narrating from each others, they paraphrase. And as we all know, people naturally tend to add their own interpretations and versions and twists to the narration or story. This is not necessarily always due to bad and malicious intentions.
Hope this helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
I agree.
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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,
I have just updated Main Section #3 of the following article with more proofs:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm
It seems that Guided Pulsar Rays (perhaps there are other stars as well) are used to shoot down the devils by Allah Almighty's Will. Pay special attention to Noble Verses 37:6-10 & 86:1-3. The Glorious Quran's Miracle is clear. Please try to refute my arguments. I challenge everyone to give it a try. Constructive challenges and criticisms are beneficial. Through them we learn and advance.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Brother, that is why we should stop calling our hadith books 'sahih'. We should let the non-muslims know the Quran is the only sahih book. The books of hadith contain sahih and non-sahih books in them and we consider them not infallible books.
I noticed, when Allah swt talks about adorning the sky with 'lamps', he calls the stars 'lamps'. Is this not such an accurate description of what they are ? God is basically saying that our sun = star. He only uses the word lamps with our sun. With the moon, he uses the word meaning 'giving light' i.e not it's own light source.
As for the stars being there to repel shaytans, i am a little unsure about it still.
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assalamu alaikum brothers
when i read this article i came up with some doubts. inshallah hope u will clarify this.
1.its mentioned in the article that the jins where shot down by a shooting flame, whether it be a Gamma Ray Burst, a Cosmic Jet, or any other similar fire.
but [surah 67:5] it says
And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.
in this verse it says LAMPS are used as missiles
the literal meaning for missile is
"an object which is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon"
so by comparing the literal meaning of missile with ur article. LAMPS i.e, pulsars,black hles or neutron stars (whatever it may be) should be used as missiles. but ur article says thatonly radiation (gamma ray burst or cosmic jet or any other type of rays or fire) and not pulsars,black holes or neutron stars are targetted at them. can u plz explain this ?
2.when moved through ur website. i see two answers or different explanations for verse 67:5
one explanation in this article (link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm)
saying that the verse refers PULSARS.
while another article (link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/4701.htm)
says like this "these verses present no problem regarding science, because they are not talking about celestial phenoema as objects of scientific study, but instead talking about celestial phenomena as sources of misguidance for soothsayers and astrologers. In brief, the Qur'an simply says about them that for astrologers, their misguidance regarding celestial phenomena will be a source of punishment for them, and that they can gain no information about the future by trying to look at the stars."
my question is why this dilemma.. because,for people searching for a correct answer will put them in doubts if they where to see 2 different opinions. if one is true or a correct answer then why cant u remove the other one ?
3. i wish to quote a statement of our brother regarding this verse because im not satisfied with that point
he said that "Think about that, could stars then not be used as missiles if they are going THAT fast along with the universe.
Our own sun goes at 220 km/s. That's pretty fast if you ask me: Especially If I was moving at a slower speed next to that star. Not only would the star's immense gravity pull me towards it, but it would be coming at me at 220 km/s! And if I get close enough, I would get incinerated."
i m not satisfied with this answer because, stars with 220 km/s may be like missiles to us. but here these missiles are to shoot jinns.
it given in wikipedia that
"Some of the closest known neutron stars are RX J1856.5-3754, which is about 400 light years away, and PSR J0108-1431 at about 424 light years.[49] RX J1856.5-3754 is a member of a close group of neutron stars called The Magnificent Seven."
so i think jins need to be too faster to reach the 2nd heaven or somewhere in our universe (as we are in the lower heaven)
so what i was trying t say is that speed of a star will be too low for a jinn (logically i think so)
4.i feel really weird in discarting hadiths which we feel illogical (Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5538)
i mean then how could we claim other hadiths are authentic which speaks about prophets moral code and the hadiths which usually people call PEARLS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD.
once an atheist frnd of mine quoted like this
"muslims if they feel,hadiths are good they take it. if felt illogical they discart it."
what will be ur answer for this statement ?
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Actually,some Jin's can teleport as we see in the story of Suleiman A.S so these Jin's must've teleported to the levels of the stars to be shot down.
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Can't the jinn teleportation be faster than gamma rays so wouldn't the gamma rays miss because also it would take years for them to travel to the stars by flying but if they got there by flying within a few seconds that would make them faster than light and gamma rays so the gamma rays would miss that's what I'm still confused about there either to fast or too slow to get there or get hit jazzakallah
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And also isn't Satan faster than that as well so how would he get hit sorry jazzakallah
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Also when it says stars chuck fire can we interpret that as gamma rays or just chucking the flame of the stars not gamma rays or would that be gamma rays any way jazzakallah
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Also when it says visible and pearicing bright in 15:18 and 37:10 does that mean the thing what gets the jinn visible for us or just the jinn and can the word mubean in 15:18 mean pure because pure flame makes sense
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Also when it says visible and pearicing bright in 15:18 and 37:10 does that mean the thing what gets the jinn visible for us or just the jinn and can the word mubean in 15:18 mean pure because pure flame makes sense
Are you the same infidel doofus that I banned a while ago that keeps asking the same circular questions? Did I not thoroughly address Noble Verses 15:18 and 37:10 in my article:
www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm
Why do you keep asking the same question about the two Noble Verses?
Osama
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I'm not I was reading that article What you are talking about and asking for clarification I was link the 2 together with what I said above
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Also I was reading your page on the Arabic word minha in 67:5 that it can mean them not just it but can you explain how because I didn't understand what you meant how it can because I thought it has to point to the single thing like the heaven
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Because if the other translation is correct how would the miracle still stand because if the heaven is doing the throwing that would be wrong because it is the stars that do the throwing not the heaven
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assalamu alaikum brothers.. I posted some doubts above. No one replied to my doubts. I hope for a reply from all. Especially from our admin Osama Abdallah.. brother waiting for ur reply 😊
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Tell us the doubt and we will surely reply.
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assalamu alaikum brothers
when i read this article i came up with some doubts. inshallah hope u will clarify this.
1.its mentioned in the article that the jins where shot down by a shooting flame, whether it be a Gamma Ray Burst, a Cosmic Jet, or any other similar fire.
but [surah 67:5] it says
And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.
in this verse it says LAMPS are used as missiles
the literal meaning for missile is
"an object which is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon"
so by comparing the literal meaning of missile with ur article. LAMPS i.e, pulsars,black hles or neutron stars (whatever it may be) should be used as missiles. but ur article says that only radiation (gamma ray burst or cosmic jet or any other type of rays or fire) and not pulsars,black holes or neutron stars are targetted at them. can u plz explain this ?
2.when moved through ur website. i see two answers or different explanations for verse 67:5
one explanation in this article (link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm)
saying that the verse refers PULSARS.
while another article (link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/4701.htm)
says like this "these verses present no problem regarding science, because they are not talking about celestial phenoema as objects of scientific study, but instead talking about celestial phenomena as sources of misguidance for soothsayers and astrologers. In brief, the Qur'an simply says about them that for astrologers, their misguidance regarding celestial phenomena will be a source of punishment for them, and that they can gain no information about the future by trying to look at the stars."
my question is why this dilemma.. because,for people searching for a correct answer will put them in doubts if they where to see 2 different opinions. if one is true or a correct answer then why cant u remove the other one ?
3. i wish to quote a statement of our brother regarding this verse because im not satisfied with that point
he said that "Think about that, could stars then not be used as missiles if they are going THAT fast along with the universe.
Our own sun goes at 220 km/s. That's pretty fast if you ask me: Especially If I was moving at a slower speed next to that star. Not only would the star's immense gravity pull me towards it, but it would be coming at me at 220 km/s! And if I get close enough, I would get incinerated."
i m not satisfied with this answer because, stars with 220 km/s may be like missiles to us. but here these missiles are to shoot jinns.
it given in wikipedia that
"Some of the closest known neutron stars are RX J1856.5-3754, which is about 400 light years away, and PSR J0108-1431 at about 424 light years.[49] RX J1856.5-3754 is a member of a close group of neutron stars called The Magnificent Seven."
so i think jins need to be too faster to reach the 2nd heaven or somewhere in our universe (as we are in the lower heaven)
so what i was trying t say is that speed of a star will be too low for a jinn (logically i think so)
4.i feel really weird in discarting hadiths which we feel illogical (Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5538)
i mean then how could we claim other hadiths are authentic which speaks about prophets moral code and the hadiths which usually people call PEARLS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD.
once an atheist frnd of mine quoted like this
"muslims if they feel,hadiths are good they take it. if felt illogical they discart it."
what will be ur answer for this statement ?
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Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Mohamed,
The following are your answers:
1- The Noble Verse does not say missiles. This is not an accurate translation. There are other more accurate ones:
www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search1.cgi?search_text=67%3A5&B1=Search
2- Fixed. Jazaka Allah Khayr for pointing it out, akhi.
3- Who said that quote? and Where?
So what i was trying t say is that speed of a star will be too low for a jinn (logically i think so)
The universe is filled with matter, dark matter and other mysteries. It is not empty nor void. Just like our bodies can not survive the outside universe and we'd burst, the Jinns too can not last with certain matters if they get struck by them. These are part of the mysteries of the unseen world.
4- Muslims reject the Hadiths if the Hadiths are proven to be against the Glorious Quran. This is not about cherry picking. The Glorious Quran is our measuring stick and standard that we judge everything and all texts by:
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Asalam ul laykum brother, I just wanted to point out. A correction. Matter and anti-matter aren't pairs but opposites. It is Matter and Dark Matter that are pairs. Ever since the descovered of Dark matter scientists learnt that there is no empty space in universe.
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Asalam ul laykum brother, I just wanted to point out. A correction. Matter and anti-matter aren't pairs but opposites. It is Matter and Dark Matter that are pairs. Ever since the descovered of Dark matter scientists learnt that there is no empty space in universe.
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Adil,
I fixed it above. Jazaka Allah Khayr akhi.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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1- The Noble Verse does not say missiles. This is not an accurate translation. There are other more accurate ones:
www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/quran/quran_search1.cgi?search_text=67%3A5&B1=Search
so far the translations which i have seen for the word رُجُومًا is missiles,throwing and lapidation
which ever meaning you apply to this aayah still my question stands.
WHY RADIATION RATHER THAN STARS ??
in the link which u sent above. i saw some words which claim to be the meaning of this word رُجُومًا they are bombard,darted,pelt
but when i referred the arabic words for the words are given below
1. BOMBARD- قصف (qasf)
verb
قصف
shell, bombard, revel, romp, cannon, peal
قنبل
bombard
مطر بوابل من
bombard
قذف قنبلة
bombard
2. DARTED- اندفعت (aindafaeat)
verb
رشق
dart, pelt, hurl, dart in, tilt
نقض
veto, break, repeal, rescind, swoop, countermand
3. PELT- قذف (qadhaf)
verb
قذف
fling, throw, libel, extrude, eject, pelt
رشق
dart, pelt, hurl, dart in, tilt
سرع
speed, quicken, accelerate, fast, speed up, pelt
جرى بسرعة
scoot, pelt
ضرب بغير إنقطاع
pelt, trounce
إنطلق بسرعة وعزم
pelt
noun
جلد الحيوان
hide, pelt
فرو
fur, pelage, pelt
ضربة
blow, strike, beating, stroke, shot, pelt
I COULDNT UNDERSTAND HOW THEY USED THESE WORDS FOR THE WORD رُجُومًا. HOPE YOU WILL EXPLAIN IN DETAIL.
the word by word translation of the ayah 67:5 is given below from the link : http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=67&verse=5
(67:5:1)
walaqad
And certainly REM – prefixed resumption particle
EMPH – emphatic prefix lām
CERT – particle of certainty
الواو استئنافية
اللام لام التوكيد
حرف تحقيق
(67:5:2)
zayyannā
We have beautified V – 1st person plural (form II) perfect verb
PRON – subject pronoun → Allah
فعل ماض و«نا» ضمير متصل في محل رفع فاعل
(67:5:3)
l-samāa
the heaven N – accusative feminine noun
اسم منصوب
(67:5:4)
l-dun'yā
nearest ADJ – accusative feminine singular adjective
صفة منصوبة
(67:5:5)
bimaṣābīḥa
with lamps, P – prefixed preposition bi
N – genitive masculine plural noun → Lamp
جار ومجرور
(67:5:6)
wajaʿalnāhā
and We have made them CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 1st person plural perfect verb
PRON – subject pronoun → Allah
PRON – 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
الواو عاطفة
فعل ماض و«نا» ضمير متصل في محل رفع فاعل و«ها» ضمير متصل في محل نصب مفعول به
(67:5:7)
rujūman
(as) missiles N – accusative masculine indefinite noun
اسم منصوب
(67:5:8)
lilshayāṭīni
for the devils, P – prefixed preposition lām
PN – genitive masculine plural proper noun → Satan
جار ومجرور
(67:5:9)
wa-aʿtadnā
and We have prepared CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 1st person plural (form IV) perfect verb
PRON – subject pronoun → Allah
الواو عاطفة
فعل ماض و«نا» ضمير متصل في محل رفع فاعل
(67:5:10)
lahum
for them P – prefixed preposition lām
PRON – 3rd person masculine plural personal pronoun
جار ومجرور
(67:5:11)
ʿadhāba
punishment N – accusative masculine noun
اسم منصوب
(67:5:12)
l-saʿīri
(of) the Blaze.
EVEN IN THIS TRANSLATION IT SAYS MISSILES. SO MY QUESTION IS WHY RADIATION RATHER THAN STARS ??
3- Who said that quote? and Where?
BELOW IS THE LINK AND THE POINTS HE MENTIONED.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm
"Answer #2 (by brother Mclinkin94):
I just wanted to add some other things to brother Osama's answer. Brother Osama has said that stars do emit radiation hence allowing the stars to be used as missiles.
The stars themselves could also be used as missiles. Stars actually move at relativistic speeds, if you move considerably slower than them, to you they would be going fast. Remember that time is relative. So if stars move faster than you, then they could be used as missiles.
"Do you know what else we have discovered? We have discovered that our universe is not slowing down in its expansion, but it is accelerating! Think about that, could stars then not be used as missiles if they are going THAT fast along with the universe.
Our own sun goes at 220 km/s. That's pretty fast if you ask me: Especially If I was moving at a slower speed next to that star. Not only would the star's immense gravity pull me towards it, but it would be coming at me at 220 km/s! And if I get close enough, I would get incinerated.
4- Muslims reject the Hadiths if the Hadiths are proven to be against the Glorious Quran. This is not about cherry picking. The Glorious Quran is our measuring stick and standard that we judge everything and all texts by:
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm
WHAT I MEANT IS THEN HOW COULD WE USE COMPILATION OF HADITHS AS A BOOK FOR GUIDANCE WHEN IT EVEN HAS ERRORS. WHAT IF THERE ARE FALSE HADITHS WHICH NEVER CONTRADICTED THE QURAN.
WHAT IF THE WHOLE COMPILATION IS CORRUPTED OR NOT THE WORDS OF PROPHET BUT WE HAVE IT JUST BECAUSE IT NEVER CONTRADICTED THE QURAN ?
(its not just want to know what your answer will be.)
HOPE YOU WILL REPLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. :)
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assalamu alaikum brother OSAMA ABDALLAH.. waiting for ur reply to my above reply :)
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couldnt get a reply so far to my above comments.. especially from our admin osama abdallah.. messaged u a lot. dont know what happened. still hoping to get ur reply :)
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Brother, Allah Almighty is using an earthly term to describe something that happens in the unseen world. It's like when Allah Almighty talks about His Hands. They're not like ours. But this is a term Allah Almighty used to speak to us.
RUJOOMA does not mean missiles. SAWAREEKH means missiles. And missiles did not exist back then anyway.
As to Hadiths, what disagrees with the Glorious Quran gets discarded. Many hadiths are fabricated or paraphrased, because they were written 300 years after the Prophet, peace be upon him. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
I hope his helps, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Brother, Allah Almighty is using an earthly term to describe something that happens in the unseen world. It's like when Allah Almighty talks about His Hands. They're not like ours. But this is a term Allah Almighty used to speak to us.
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
i agree with ur point. its normal to use an earthy term like
leech like substance for embryo and
planets swimming for orbiting and revolving.
even if stonning or other earthly term is used for tha ayah. still i feel it contradicting because quran says stars(lamps) are stoned at devils while ur article says radiation from pulsars(a type of star) is made to radiated(stoned) at devils
i feel both points contradicting.
i just compared some of the verses and came to know that the word مَصَابِيحَ in verse 67:5 refers to some type or stage of a star
i just compared like this
"15.Do you not consider how Allah has created seven heavens in layers
16.And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp?"[Surah 71:15-16]
"And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing."[Surah 41:12]
"And constructed above you seven strong [heavens]
And made [therein] a burning lamp"[Surah 78:12,13]
in both verses 71:16 and 78:13 the word lamp is translated for arabic word سِرَاجًا while the word lamp from verse 41:12 is translated for arabic word مَصَابِيحَ . So when we compare the ayaths
we can see that all the three verses starts by referring the seven heavens and then says about the stars created referred as lamps.
so the lamp has to refer either star or some type or stage of a star.
next lets compare it with the verse 67:5
"And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing."[Surah 41:12]
"And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made them thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze."[Surah 67-5]
by comparing we could understand that both verses mentioned lamps as adornment and made as protection by stoning devils
from verse 41:12 (given above) we came to know that the arabic word مَصَابِيحَ referred some sort of a star.
hence the arabic word مَصَابِيحَ from verse 67:5 also has to refer some sort of a star.
even its given in ur article its mentioned that they referred to pulsars(a type of neutron stars)
but my doubt is that the verse 67:5 says that stars are made to stone at devils while ur article says only radiation from stars are made like stoned at devils. i feel ur points are contradicting.
As to Hadiths, what disagrees with the Glorious Quran gets discarded. Many hadiths are fabricated or paraphrased, because they were written 300 years after the Prophet, peace be upon him. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
there is nothing wrong in dicarting a hadith if it is against quran.
my question is what if we are using false hadiths for made in a way which fits with the quran.
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brother osama abdallah. if u read my doubt plz reply as soon as possible :)
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asalam ul laykum brothers, we are sure that that verse is talking about solar eruptions and their solar bursts of energies correct?
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/stealthcme2a.gif)
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lamps = stars(Suns)
Missiles = Solar Eruptions(Solar Bursts)
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but my doubt is that the verse 67:5 says that stars are made to stone at devils while ur article says only radiation from stars are made like stoned at devils. i feel ur points are contradicting.
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,
Brother, from where did you get STONNING THE DEVILS? The Holy Quran says that the Jinns are created from SMOKELESS FIRE. And no stone is mentioned. You are now adding stuff on the Holy Quran, akhi.
Brother Adil's image that he just gave hopefully demonstrates things for you. And I gave videos in the article as well.
As to the Hadiths, I don't care if the Hadith is true or false. My MAIN BOOK is the Holy Quran, and Its Miracles are irrefutable:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I don't need even the True and authentic Hadiths to explain the Divine Miracles of the Glorious Quran, especially THE NUMERICAL MIRACLES. The Hadiths to me and my Islam are supplemental only in the area of the Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles. If they support that's fine, if they don't support they will not hurt AT ALL. Our beloved Prophet was not a scientists, and the Holy Quran directly Says he did not know much, and could not even interpret the ENTIRE Glorious Quran:
www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
The AHKAAM of Islam:
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, came to primarily explain the AHKAAM and the Noble Verses that are MUHKAMAAT. These are the LAWS of the do this and do not do this. The Moral Code in other words. This is where also HUKUM (rule, rulership) comes from. Noble Verse 3:7 is thoroughly discussed and explained in the following link. Again, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm
Also visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
The Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, DID NOT come to explain the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran. Allah Almighty Himself Said that He left it for the latter generations to discover:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_muhammad_did_not_know_everything_about_quran.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Asalam ul laykum brothers, Indeed. Scientists once again proved that Quran is 100% scientifically Ccorrect. LOL!!! Atheist must hate finding out these truths. ;D
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lamps = stars(Suns)
Missiles = Solar Eruptions(Solar Bursts)
quoting like this feels good to understand. but if we were to compare it with the verse 67:5
i feel there is something wrong in your explanation.
see for yourself.
"...and We have made them missiles for the Shaitans,.."[Surah 67-5]
if we where to just to interprete as u said
it will be like
...and We have made them(stars) missiles(solar bursts) for the Shaitans,...
i dint know much about this. but what i think this will only be clear if there is a preposition 'from'
and We have made from them(stars) missiles(solar bursts) for the Shaitans.
without this preposition 'from'. i feel there is wrong in our explanation that solar bursts or radiations is made as missiles.
if i am wrong. plz rectify me.
Brother, from where did you get STONNING THE DEVILS? The Holy Quran says that the Jinns are created from SMOKELESS FIRE. And no stone is mentioned. You are now adding stuff on the Holy Quran, akhi.
sorry brother.that was my mistake. i found that the meaning for the word رُجُومًا are missiles,throwing.
link: http://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/%D8%B1%D9%8F%D8%AC%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%85%D9%8B%D8%A7/
since u quoted like this
"RUJOOMA does not mean missiles. SAWAREEKH means missiles. And missiles did not exist back then anyway"
so the meaning has to be throwing. it may be an earthy term(as u mentioned earlier).
but instead of using the word throwing. i mistakenly used the word stoning.
i will soon post my above comment after correcting this mistake.
i have some doubts regarding ur post on numerical miracles. Inshallah. i will post it later
even though this verse says something about unseen world. there are many interpretations regarding this verse.
some people and scholars says that it says about shooting stars
some says its just a metaphor
some claim they are not yet understandable
and you claimed they refer to radiations from pulsars and may be others.
thats the reason i am wishing to know the exact explanation and answer to this verse.
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brother Adhilriaz and Osama Abdallah.. plz reply if u see my reply 😊
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even though this verse says something about unseen world. there are many interpretations regarding this verse.
some people and scholars says that it says about shooting stars
some says its just a metaphor
some claim they are not yet understandable
and you claimed they refer to radiations from pulsars and may be others.
thats the reason i am wishing to know the exact explanation and answer to this verse.
We may not know the entire interpretation, because the Universe is filled with mysterious matters and mysteries. And like I mentioned, the Jinns were created from SMOKELESS FIRE. So there are matters out there in the Universe for them. They could also be in stars that we have not discovered yet. I know Pulsars were directly spoken about in the Glorious Quran. Their special rays are piercing and penetrating according to scientists. Now there could be more out there, and I am VERY SURE THERE ARE more stars and more matter that we have not discovered yet that deal with the Jinns. May be the latter human generations will be able to explain this better.
One thing to keep in mind though is that Allah Almighty Said that HE USES THE STARS to strike the Jinns. It could be all of the stars including our suns, or they could be special stars. We don't know. I will add this note to the article to make my statement clearer there, insha'Allah.
I look forward to your "doubts" about the Numerical Miracles:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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there is nothng special if there is miracles or scientific claims in quran
its not a big deal at all.. bcoz if its from the one who created this universe.. so it will have..
but it would be a big deal if people feels illogical regarding a verse if it never fits the data from our observable universe.
brother just for conclusion based on the points i got so far.
do you wish to conclude that [Surah 67-5]
"And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made them thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze."
which one will u chose
1.we still dont have much knowledge to interprete the verse
or
2. verse speaks about radiations emitted from stars are made to strike at jinns.
if u chose first one,
can u plz explain, do the arabic word مَصَابِيحَ (lamp)refers to stars or can they refer to any other heavenly bodies.
if u chose the second one,
can u plz explain how you could interprete lamps as radiations when there is no special mention of something from lamps is made to strike the jinns.
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Sahih International interpretation:
And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.
You cannot throw a lamp, thus the clearest understanding and interpretation is that something from the lamp is thrown. Thus i believe that Sahih International has the correct interpretation.
Even though the verse doesn't make it 100% clear that it is thrown FROM lamp. If the lamp itself was a missile it wouldn't make sense because Lamps don't move, if a part of the lamp is being thrown that would clearly mean that something is coming out of the lamp that is launched.
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there is nothng special if there is miracles or scientific claims in quran
its not a big deal at all.. bcoz if its from the one who created this universe.. so it will have..
This is the kind of language the satanic cults from salafies (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links) and others vomit. You sound like a first grader who doesn't have the mental capacity developed yet to understand what adults talk about.
It is everything special that there are Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran. Humans had been attributing every vomit spewed by liars to GOD Almighty, and calling them THE HOLY WORDS of GOD Almighty. So it is very soothing and very comforting to find our Holy Book, the Quran, being 180 degrees different from those false books.
Please stop harrasing me and posting, because you are tempting me to ban you. I can't stand the stupidity of cultists. You are still in the 1st grader level and can't understand simple logic. Let's end this waste-of-time discussion here please.
To the Muslims:
Just so that you don't think I am being mean-spirited, it is these dogs from Hell that give the infidels room to bark on the Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran. Take a look at this example from the infidel Usama Dakdok:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
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He used these satanic cults to respond to the Numerical Miracles in the Quran.
Osama
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Yeah what the heck. I just banned the salafi monkey. I can't stand these dogs here. Your level begins to stoop down when you converse with them. It's like speaking to a monkey. He looks like you! But his brain is nothing like yours.
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there is nothng special if there is miracles or scientific claims in quran
its not a big deal at all.. bcoz if its from the one who created this universe.. so it will have..
Brother Mohmed Shahid, brother if it wasn't anything special then tell me why is there no scientific evidences in Gospel or in Torah. Much of the scientific evidence that Christian or Jew claim are neighter COMPLETELY obscure or they have to completely change their verse to make it fit their rhetoric.
Brother there is a VERY GOOD REASON why Allah swt said in the Quran. "That it is for those with UNDERSTANDING"
Quran wants us to EXAMINE it's verses. While nothing of such is in the previous scriptures. Don't you think that is a conclusive evidence to back up the Quran's Scientific Miracles.
It is the lack of understanding of people or DISHONESTY that they do not accept such clear evidences.
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He's banned.
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Yeah what the heck. I just banned the salafi monkey. I can't stand these dogs here. Your level begins to stoop down when you converse with them. It's like speaking to a monkey. He looks like you! But his brain is nothing like yours.
Brother Osama, we want to help the guy see the truth. not ban him, he is a muslim. Even if he might be misguided, it is our Job as muslim to help him understand. you should unban him and try to make him understand but if he doesn't want to understand just leave him.
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Dear brother Adil, this is not about if one disagrees with Osama Abdallah, then Osama Abdallah will ban him. I would not do that. I banned him because he and his cult of satan are toilet papers in the hands of infidels. I already gave example above of the infidel Usama Dakdok using these cults to respond to the Scientific and Numerical Miracles of the Glorious Quran. And you have also seen this satanist monkey saying that the Numerical and Scientific Miracles of the Quran ARE NOTHING.
No, he and his cult of satan are nothing. He might be your brother in Islam, but he is not mine. Before you joined this board, I banned one monkey before him for calling me murtad (apostate). Therefore, your request is respectfully denied. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2286.msg10426.html#msg10426
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
Understand This:
You and Muslims here need to understand one about these satanists. Push them a little and they'll apostatize you. They even apostatize each other over administrative BS. ISIS fought Al-Qaeda, and both fought Taliban. This is after the Taliban fought the USA for them after 9/11. And Muslims like me who despise all of them (Taliban included) are definite infidels/apostates. There is no room for reasoning with these satanists. These are their rotten fruits:
1- Arrogance.
2- Ignorance.
3- Treason and treachery.
4- Hate.
Notice how the enemies of the Glorious Quran and Allah Almighty could never refute the Glorious Quran's Numerical Miracles. You consistently see them only give empty assertions. Again, see the infidel Usama Dakdok and how I dwarfed him into nothing:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
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Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Asalam ul laykum brother Osama, I can definitely understand your point. I researched into salagfsm and wahabism a bit to know about some of their beliefs. The reason why I requested was that I was hoping we can bring him out of that deviation. Just because he or any other salafi or wahabi would call me or u a apostate doesn't make it so.
I fact as we know that those who say others that they are not Muslims and keep them from being Muslims like what salafis and wahabis do they themselves become kafir.
I was just hoping to bring him out of the deviant sect if he is part of it. As we know that Muhammad pbuhis told us to help our brother who are opressed and those who are opressors. So I pray to Allah swt to give him guidance.
To many brothers and sisters are falling for these traps that is why we should enlighten them before they go joining such evildoers.
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Brother Osama I really loved that debate of yours with Usama Dakdok, I personally find his way of speaking very condisending and unscholarly. I was about to make a refuttation to one of his videos but the damn video is 2 hours long and I got lost while doing the refuttation.