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this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.
Yeah!! And some christians even say that every prophet before Jesus are in hell(Including Abraham, David, Elias and others)!! What a ridiculous thing? the Prophets who had done a lot of service for God how can be they are in hell? According to this Even the so-Called chosen People (Jews) are also in hell. It Really it seems a pagan thinking.

That makes about as much sense as a banana riding a tricycle !
Thanks for replying akhi. well, I really do not understand what you mean. Can you explain this?

what ? jinn-bactiria ?? but wait iblis was a jinn was he a bactiria ?
Thanks for replying brother, may be Jinn have a different form in Paradise and a different form on Earth any way i think it so because a hadith actually many hadiths say that Satan or Jinn can enter your body through Mouth or Nostrils, they fed on death metarial and Satan or Jinn circulates in the blood. And may be they can take an other form after going outside earth. Quran says that they are formed of smokeless fire and i read in a article that the first bacteria evolve after landing of a meteor and meteor have fire but not a much smoke. Any way i could be wrong. Thanks

As-Salam Walekum

Did Jinn=Bacteria? Check these

  and also the word Jinn means unseen and we cant see bacteria with naked eyes. WARNING:THESE WEBSITES ARE AHMADDIYAH WEBSITES!!


GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: where did it come from ?
« on: April 18, 2014, 06:38:20 AM »
so it didnt come from africa or the arabian P or the middle-east ?

and qabil was the first one of them ? i never heard of that, didnt he ask his father about what he saw in the garden of aden ?
First he became jealous of his brother and disbelief. then he murdured his brother and did not listen to any one but after that Polytheism displaces atheism and atheism thought re-appeared in about 6th century BC in Asia and Europe.

and the Qabil is not regarded as a Atheist but he disbelief in God and there was no other disbelief at that time no polytheism, no Dualism and no trinitianism so should be regarded as first Atheist. Thanks

Ahteism & Agnosticism / Re: Neanderthals?
« on: April 17, 2014, 11:44:11 PM »
Most likely they were animists and polytheists. I say this, because it tends to be true of ancient civilizations.
Yes, may be they were because after the time of Prophet Nuh Peace be Upon him whole world become polytheists but After Prophet Ibrahim Peace be Upon him a new monotheist group came into existence who call themselves Jew.

Ahteism & Agnosticism / Re: Why do man have nipples?
« on: April 17, 2014, 11:34:45 PM »
Selamın aleyküm,

According to Darwinism everything is chosen by natural selection and by example, if a man would live in a dark cave with no light for eternity his eyes will grow shut. However, scientists dare to say there is no use for the male nipple, but then, should man have nipples. Here they make up another time story about man being woman... Just look it up. Some say the nipples are useful to the muscles or so. Does anyone have more information on this?

Walekum As-Salam Well brother i do not know about it so much but Darwinists answers this question somewhat like this "The reason why men have nipples is:
All humans begin life in the womb as females. If no Y chromosome is present in the foetus, then the embryo will continue to develop as and be born as a female. If there is a Y chromosome present in the embryo, the male sex hormone testosteronerestricts the full development of breasts to just nipples,the labia fuse to become the scrotum and clitoris develops fully to become a penis. If the Y chromosome prevails in producing a male, this is not done without a fight. Male babies are weaker as a result than female ones, occounting for the slightly higher death rate in male babies.
So, to review, males have nipples because the development of mammary glands is independent of sexual development, at least until puberty. And the reason why men don?t use those nipples is because, at least so far, it hasn?t been evolutionarily advantageous for us to do so, although physiologically, we have essentially the same equipment as females and can produce a comparable product" Thanks

Well, I have read in this article that "My response:
This Hadith is very interesting, because it appears that the Jinns that exist on earth, exist in the form of "bacteria"."

Did any one quote the hadith?


The Hadith under discussion is as follows:

قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏"‏ مَا مِنْ بَنِي آدَمَ مَوْلُودٌ إِلاَّ يَمَسُّهُ الشَّيْطَانُ حِينَ يُولَدُ، فَيَسْتَهِلُّ صَارِخًا مِنْ مَسِّ الشَّيْطَانِ، غَيْرَ مَرْيَمَ وَابْنِهَا ‏"‏‏.‏ ثُمَّ يَقُولُ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ ‏{‏وَإِنِّي أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ ‏}

Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab: Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (Qur’an 3.36)

This Hadith has been posted and a number of questions have been asked pertaining to it.

1. Do you think there is no medical reason for why the newborns cry? According to medical science a new born baby has to cry otherwise brain will not get oxygen immediately and this can bring serious complications later. When the baby is in the womb it doesn’t breath through the nose but by umbilical cord, so when it comes out there is no oxygen going in through the nose since the baby doesn’t know how to breath so the nurse will hit their tiny buttocks and they will respond to the pain will a yell which automatically opens the nose and the lungs start pumping oxygen.  In some cases, babies born at home, into a quiet, warm environment (especially during water birth) sometimes do not cry and no complications may happen in those circumstances. Babies need to be monitored only under such circumstances.   Therefore, there is pure science involved for babies crying. It is not Satan’s touch that makes them cry.

There is no reason why the medical reason and the touch of Satan cannot go hand in hand. Let’s say, if someone says that Allah causes rain and another person says that evaporation and the whole procedure related to it causes rain, we cannot say that only one of them is correct; both would be correct in saying so. Allah causes rain and evaporation is the procedure by which it happens.

إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ يَجْرِي مِنِ ابْنِ آدَمَ مَبْلَغَ الدَّمِ

Satan runs in the body of Adam's son (i.e. man) as his blood circulates in it.

Satan's touching is an unseen event. We know that he resides in son of Adam like blood yet we cannot see it or feel it. However, we don't know when Satan enters the human body. It could either be at time of birth or while the child is still in the womb or later on. Since it is from the unseen, speculating won't be helpful. There is another Hadith that provides us with further understanding of Satan.

إِذَا اسْتَيْقَظَ ـ أُرَاهُ ـ أَحَدُكُمْ مِنْ مَنَامِهِ فَتَوَضَّأَ فَلْيَسْتَنْثِرْ ثَلاَثًا، فَإِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ يَبِيتُ عَلَى خَيْشُومِهِ

"If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

Some people attempt to ridicule this Hadith. However, that is not our concern in this paper. If they find problems in accepting that Satan is an ugly creature and that his deeds are ugly as well, then they would not attempt to defend Satan by mocking such narrations.

Satan's touch (or his initial entry into the human possibly through the nose) while the child enters the world, could cause the medical conditions mentioned. For someone to find the Hadith to be against science, they would have to have seen Satan in person and convince others that Satan is not how he has been defined by Allah and His Messenger –peace be upon him.

The second question asked relating to the Hadith is as follows:

2. There are some babies that do not cry at the time of birth. Will they come under the category of Mary and Jesus? i.e, They do not cry, is it because of Satan not touching them?

The Hadith states that a baby that cries is due to the touch of Satan. It does not say that Satan's touch always causes a cry. There is a big difference in both! A child cries when it falls down while playing. However, this does not mean that all children will cry when they fall down; some don't.

Another question pertaining to the Hadith is as follows:

3. Why Mary and Jesus alone were exempted from Satan’s touching and (most probably did not cry)? This question is important, because, as per the hadith, even prophet Ibrahim was not excluded from Satan's touching. And why Mary and Jesus alone?  Don't you think this hadith makes discrimination among different prophets?

The reason why Maryam –peace be upon her- was not touched by Satan is because she was dedicated by her mother to the service of Allah. Her purpose in life was to stay away from worldly activities and only dedicate herself to the worship of Allah and hence Allah kept her away from Satan. Here is what her mother had said when she conceived her:

اذ قالت امراة عمران رب اني نذرت لك مافي بطني محررا فتقبل مني انك انت السميع العليم

When the wife of ‘Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."

Prophet Eisa –peace be upon him- was not touched by Satan because the Qur'an explicitly says so.

فلما وضعتها قالت رب اني وضعتها انثى والله اعلم بما وضعت وليس الذكر كالانثى واني سميتها مريم واني اعيذها بك وذريتها من الشيطان الرجيم

But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Maryam, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah]."

The prayer was answered. The Hadith of Satan not touching them is quoted in the commentary of this verse by Ibn Kathir as well.

As to the discrimination argument, there is none because all messengers of Allah were out of the reach of Satan’s influence in their life. Since all messengers of Allah were not able to be influenced by Satan in their lives, Prophet Eisa and Maryam –peace be upon them- would have been protected by Allah from Satan even if the prayer was not made. However, since the prayer was made, the additional protection was provided to them and that was the touch of Satan at the time of birth.

On a side note, one must not question such issues and points related to discrimination between prophets because they were all messengers of Allah. Prophets were given features, qualities and miracles by Allah and hence to say that one messenger received such and such a miracle while the other received such and such and hence this messenger has been discriminated against.

Moreover, Prophet Muhammad –peace be upon him- mentioned that his companion Satan became a believer. We are not told whether the same happened with any other messenger as well. Asking unnecessary questions at unnecessary places and occasions leads to confusions and doubts. Since the Messenger of Allah –peace be upon him- is not with us any more to answer the questions directly, we must remain content with what has been told to us and such areas not told to us should not be speculated upon.

Another question asked is as follows:

4. Don’t you think this hadith contradicts another ahaadith reported by both Bukhari and Muslim wherein the prophet said that each and every child is born in a state of Fitrah?

The child is still born on Fitrah. This question indicates a lack of understanding of the term ‘Fitrah’. Satan's touch does not convert the child towards a false or a corrupted religion, neither does it force the child towards the worship of a false deity or any other deviated belief. The Hadith that has been spoken of in this question itself clarifies this, if read in full.

مَا مِنْ مَوْلُودٍ إِلاَّ يُولَدُ عَلَى الْفِطْرَةِ، فَأَبَوَاهُ يُهَوِّدَانِهِ أَوْ يُنَصِّرَانِهِ أَوْ يُمَجِّسَانِهِ، كَمَا تُنْتَجُ الْبَهِيمَةُ بَهِيمَةً جَمْعَاءَ، هَلْ تُحِسُّونَ فِيهَا مِنْ جَدْعَاءَ

"No child is born except on Al-Fitrah (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian, as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?"

Lastly, it has been asked whether making du’a (prayer), as mentioned in another Hadith, can prevent from the touch of Satan.

5. You quoted a hadith from Volume 1, Book 4, Number 143: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas, in which prophet said “If anyone of you on having sexual relations with his wife said 'In the name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from Satan and also protect what you bestow upon us (i.e. the coming offspring) from Satan, and if it is destined that they should have a child then, Satan will never be able to harm that offspring. "My question is this:  Are you saying that babies born in the above circumstances won’t cry?

The question would not have been asked if the Hadith had been read properly. The du’a made by the parent is for the parents as well. Since the parent makes du’a for protection from Satan, who has already been touched by Satan at his own birth, how can one assume that the protection of the child from Satan means protection from his touch at the time of birth? Harm caused by Satan is not only limited to touching at the time of birth. Satan not being able to harm him speaks of a bigger context i.e. Satan would not be able to cause him problems in life that may turn him away from the true faith.

Indeed, Allah knows the best.

[1] Saheeh Bukhari, Book 60, Hadith 102
[2] Saheeh Bukhari ,Book 78, Hadith 243
[3] Saheeh Bukhari, Book 59, Hadith 104
[4] Qur’an 3:35
[5] Qur’an 3:36
As-Salamu Walekum Brothers,

Well, I am not sure which article but i think i have read in a article that Jinn (Satan is also a Jinn) are present in the form of Unicellular Organisms (bacteria). If it is true than it solves all the Problem much better.


Hinduism / Re: OSAMA ABDULLAH - Confirm this urgently!
« on: April 17, 2014, 11:03:49 AM »
Walaikum As-Salamu Brother Osama, I have read a brief article on it in the past but I can't found it now! anyway here is One.

Ahteism & Agnosticism / Re: atheism
« on: April 17, 2014, 10:27:43 AM »
asalamualakum i have discussions with alot of atheists n they ask me the question where did god come frm who made him i just say he has no beggining and no end is there any other better answer
Walekum As-Salam The answers remains the same but with some more detail for example-"Matter-time-space required a beginning and God does not bounded by these things rather than he is the creator of these things." etc... Thanks

Quote from: There is only one God
...anyone who was not a fat white Catholic man.
America is a WASP nest. The United States of America (and British commonwealths) have oppressed Catholics for centuries.

WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
Mujahid but i do not think that only WASP is responsible for cartoo. Atheists are responsible too.

Ahteism & Agnosticism / Re: Neanderthals?
« on: April 17, 2014, 09:54:04 AM »
Brother Mujahid if Evolution is true than why did not Eskimos develop furs to prevent cold according to Evolution?

Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: April 17, 2014, 08:38:43 AM »
As-Salam Walekum Everyone!
I think Brother "Black Muslim" is right!! Singing from Your Vocal is permissible but the involvement of musical instrument is forbidden!!

Walekum As-Salam Brother Osama,
Good Article but did you change the title from "How is bowing to the Kaaba IS NOT bowing to an idol, thus making Islam pagan???" to "Questions about Qaba!" or any else you like.


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