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Why the Koran is not against the pre-conception Divinity of Christ
submit:
--- Quote from: brian464 on February 23, 2016, 02:51:08 PM ---Adam was created from dust and if Jesus was created, He would have been created from dust too but the Koran does not say that.
If Jesus was created, why involve the Spirit of God upon Mary ? and I believe the Spirit of God entered Mary's womb to become Jesus
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Yes in order to be alive dust (Adam), elements inisde womb were used (Jesus). The similarity is that as God commanded Be! The Spirit breathe life onto both of them. Hence both of them become alive .
As for the concept that The Spirit becoming Jesus. This is not supported in Quran.
In fact if The Spirit were to leave the body of Jesus. Jesus would not be able to perform miracles like breathing life to clay nor speak with wisdom since infant etc..
--- Quote ---When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic (5:110)
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--- Quote from: brian464 on February 23, 2016, 06:21:50 PM ---In addition to my comments above, can you point to a Koranic verse that says that the "Spirit of God" is not God ?
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As in Quran, Holy Spirit just obey the commands of God and his duties involves executing the commands either in heaven or earth.
--- Quote ---Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah) 16:102.
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brian464:
--- Quote from: submit on February 26, 2016, 05:54:09 AM --- elements inisde womb were used (Jesus)
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what elements in the womb were there to be used ? I thought only the Spirit of God was present
submit:
the requirement of a womb was that so there will be substances inside it for usage to form Jesus prior to breathing life onto him. The Spirit cannot breathe life onto nothingness.
brian464:
--- Quote from: submit on February 27, 2016, 10:53:40 AM ---the requirement of a womb was that so there will be substances inside it for usage to form Jesus prior to breathing life onto him. The Spirit cannot breathe life onto nothingness.
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Since the Spirit cannot breath life into nothingness, its possible that God told the Spirit to "be" Jesus, right ?
brian464:
--- Quote from: submit on February 27, 2016, 10:53:40 AM --- The Spirit cannot breathe life onto nothingness.
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Let me clarify my statement I made above. The Koran uses the word "be" to indicate creation.
Does the Koran contradict the statement below or is it silent on the subject matter ?
Just before Jesus appeared inside Mary's womb, what if God said, " I want to "be" human" and
through a process ( analogous to "binary fission" in biology) God "be"came Spirit (God, the Father and Spirit, the Son of God ) and
the Spirit of God (Son of God ) entered Mary's womb to "be" Jesus
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