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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a law giver liken to prophet Moses (pbuh). Nevertheless the number count of death punishment onto the tribes Qurayza for breaching their treatee was much less than the punishment carried out by prophet Moses.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/banu_quraiza_stuff.htm
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Moses was commanded by god, Muhammad was not, even trying to make hims
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Well it all depends on ur BELIEF
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Moses was commanded by god, Muhammad was not, even trying to make hims
Hahahahahahahaha! Okay, you're saying that God ordered Moses to kill civilians except virgin girls, right?
Wow, you refuse to condemned Moses or Yahweh for killing civilians. Double standard!
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Then you have just refute your own article. Your logic is that if Yhwh commands it, then its okay to massacre massive amount of lives.
If your read the story of Battle of Bani Qurayza, they were commanded to perform battle with Bani Qurayza. Which in the end will result in deaths as well.
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R u absolutely kidding g me, the so called refuttation he mentions of my work is so pathetic that it should be throwing out into garbage can for just being so sporadic and not related. The only thing that I could any related that he tried to refute my work with was this:
[1]Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
[6]I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
[7]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
That is so pathetic the verse 6 and 7 prove Even more it was prophet Muhammad pbuhas, because the Jews called Arabs gentiles, prophet muhmad pbuh became the light for the gentiles and brought them out of darkness and freed prisonors.
It kinda sucks this guy spoiled my next work, I was going to come up with material next about how Isaiah 42 has more verses that show clearly it is prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Also note he is not looking at Hebrew At All, he keeps accepting the false misinterpretation and thinks it refutes it. Lol!!! Pathetic
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The most important thing to note, he got the whole theme of the work wrong. He started out getting completely the wrong points about the work. He keeps using English when the work is in Hebrew. he aprently does not have a basic understanding about Christian history that DSS was originally in Hebrew and I found and other brothers have found this evidence in the Original language, English was a translation, also I mentioned that that it was a misinterpretation that it was changed to "whom I uphold" u can clearly see that. Since the translators retaine both Ahmed and Ahmch. Thus "whom I uphold" was translated from their own decision. Also BTW I already typed in "whom I uphold" translation from English to Hebrew it does not come out to אחמה, "whom I uphold" comes out to על מי אני.
Also remember it was brother Idris who first found this descovered in the original written DSS, he confirmed it by Rabi Abrahamson. Also that Rabi Abrahamson did acknowledge that is indeed possible. Also Christian's agree that Jews did corrupt their text by altering words. Then how I do not see what the problem they are having. I think this guy is playing a double standard game.
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Oops! Typical Muslim argument assuming on something then concluding it as fact. So what if Arabs are gentiles and Muhammad leads them? Are we not gentiles and jesus leads us?
He boasts of Hebrew subject, but inconsiderate of his conclusion that kaf should be dalet by mere presumption! Unscholarly method!
WHICH I UPHOLD is not an invention bec it is correct definition for the hebrew used TAMAK accdg to strongs numbers 1890 dictionary of kjv. If you can see older dictionary then please!
As you can see by a source, it said, difference in spelling cannot change its meaning! Thus even, if kaf is a wrong letter, it still retains its meaning, the arrogance is, assuming what could have been the right letter.
You dont need to know hebrew to be logical!
YOURS IS A GUESS!
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The Hebrew tamak means, sustain, hold up, take up etc...
That is 1890 STRONGS... provide an older dictionary!
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DEAD SEA SCROLLS have vowels. Did you removed the vowels in your attempt to prove Ahmed? What were the vowels you omitted?
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R u that intellectually challenged ask any scholar vowels make absolutely no difference of the word.
The reason why I removed it is because translators do not use them thus they get in the way of translations. So u seriously are very pathetic.
Apparently u do not understand simple logic. Names are not suppose to be translated. Both Ahmed and Atmch are both names because the translation becomes retained. Since names are suppose to be translated. Also even the translation of that name is wrong. As I mentioned above. It was not a guess. And even I mentioned brother Idris confirmed this by Rabi Abrahamson.
So I do not see how u have any rebuttal to this. When a prominent Hebrew scholars admits that Ahmed definitely could be correct.
Also note u said that change of letter would not change the meaning. Why? It's obvious because it is in the Quran a scripture that came later that tells of Ahmed being mentioned. The Jews at the time of the original Isaiah scrolls had no idea who Ahmed was.
Also tell me why we're the Jews living in Madina? Why where they living in hejaz.
I will explain from ur own source. After this u will see Indeed very clearly that Isaiah 42 speaks of prophet Muhammad pbuh:
Isaiah(42:11)
New International Version
Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops
The wilderness it is talking about is wilderness of Paran(arabia). The Mountain Sela it is talking about is the Mount Sela in Madina.
Do u still need more evidence.
It is clear u do not seek truth because I presented this to other intelligent Christian's and they were at least honest and admitted this was clear that prophet Muhammad pbuh is the last messenger. (No I will not tell u the name of the Christian I know in my real life, nor do I care what ur opinion on it would be, but I do pray he becomes a Muslim inshallah)
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CORRECTION: NAMES ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE TRANSLATED.
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BTW did Jesus ever go to Paran? No I don't think so. Did any prophet ever go to Madina the land where Mount sila is at. I don't think so. Yes indeed the entire ISAIAH 42 IS ABSOLUTLY talking about prophet muhammad, buddy there are too many verses that are in reference to the Islamic history in Isaiah 42. So sorry ur so called refuttation is rebuked. Have a nice day and lose ur double standard.
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Yes! Jesus would go to paran and Medina to kedar to Saudi Arabia as prophesied THIS GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED TO ALL NATION BEFORE THE END,
thus logically, Christianity would enter Saudi openly.
What name translation are you talking about?
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Prove that the Hebrew word was a name? Ahmed as replacement is a guess unless you could prove it should be?
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Simple, go to Google translator put the word that I used if not use the word without the vowel with the kaf. They both are retained.
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Also u said Jesus would go. Lol!! U sound very desperate do u know that?
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Yes! Jesus would go to paran and Medina to kedar to Saudi Arabia as prophesied THIS GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED TO ALL NATION BEFORE THE END,
thus logically, Christianity would enter Saudi openly.
What name translation are you talking about?
Prove that the Hebrew word was a name? Ahmed as replacement is a guess unless you could prove it should be?
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Google translator vs 1890 Strong's dictionary?
Kidding?
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I already did, the photos from translators show that those words are names, they do not translate to word but a name. Thus are retained. U r very desperate aren't u?
As I said before there is NUMEROUS mentions of prophet Muhammad pbuhis in Isaiah 42. It is ABSOLUTLY CLEAR that the only person this prophecy is talking about logically is prophet Muhammad pbuhis. If u do not agree then realize that Jesus did say a comforter would come and he came which is prophet Muhammad pbuhis.
Accept it or not, this is ur win or lose. Not mine I have seen this substancle evidence to make that clear judgement. Also I can see clearly u try so hard, to make it to be about Jesus when there is absolutely no mention of Jesus in Isaiah 42. Truly sad.
Have a nice life. ;)
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Google translator vs 1890 strongs? Kidding?
Strongs pronounce it as TAMAK which means hold or take up!
ITS 1890 MEN! YOUR GOOGLE TRANSLATOR IS FROM WHAT YEAR?
you cannot disprove an 1890 source by a moderrn tool!
Haha
MUHAMMAD IS NOT ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE!
he is a false prophet accdg to jesus.
Jesus fits the isaiah 42 servant.
Firstly, matthew referred it to him, secondly, it was jesus who would restore the preserved of israel as a main task of the servant, as said in isaiah 9:6 the govt is upon his shoulder he would establish and erect the kingdom sitting on Davids theocratic throne!
Isaiah 9:6-7
[6]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7]Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
JESUS HAVING AN ETERNAL RULE ON ALL PEOPLE suggests his eminence as light of the gentiles and restorer of israel.
Daniel 7:13-14
[13]I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
[14]And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
CONSISTENT BIBLICAL CONTEXT FALSIFIES MUHAMMAD AS TRUE PROPHET.
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The verses in question are not Isaiah 9 or Daniel 7. Also note that verse the Isaiah 9 u mentioned says "son" all prophets were called sons of God. So it is a very weak claim. I already refutted ur claim instead of proving my evidence wrong u point different verses from different chapters pertaining to different contexes, and how r u not being desperate?
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Sorry buddy plz stop trying to change the topic into other verses. I already efficiently refutted ur flimsy claims. Have a nice day.
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OK fool! Let's stick to one verse as stand alone!
KILL THE PAGANS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM!
go! Go kill them!
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Andddddd now ur in delusional mode. Only one with hate I see is u. I'm pretty sure u would love to kill Muslims ha? ;)
Poor guy since u know u have been EFFICIENTLY DEFEATED, u go into delinal mode and start showing beligerent behaviour. Have a nice life. ;)
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You go ahead and practice your religion and kill, its your right, as its my right to practice my religion to call fool as fool!
I respect human rights but not false belief
That is Christianity!
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Killing is good but calling one fool is not?
What?
Backwards!
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U do realize that the only fool here is u, right? Seriously, man stop embarrassing urself. If u followed Jesus words u would have been a pacifist but ur behaviour is that of a tyrant.
Sorry dude ur behaviour is ABSOLUTLY NOT CHRIST LIKE.
As I stated before. Wake up from ur double standard.
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Oh yeah you go and practice this
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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Is this the god of your Bible ?
Like seriously such a pervert he allows everybody to be killed except for the virgins ,like seriously ?
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Butzdenn, I think you're brainwashed.
You claim that you respect human rights? So, you support same-sex marriage, abortion, homosexual pastors, and pornography under Christian law. Is this a joke? They don't follow the Bible because they follow a secular law!
Islam, however, respects basic human rights, not secular human rights.
In fact, Saudi Arabia is a member of the United Nation for Human Rights. Additionally, Saudi Arabia will be a member of the United Nation Commission for Status of Women in 2018.
Of course that Saudi Arabia has a lot of problem with human rights, but the Saudi government secretly accept basic human rights to improve its country. In fact, Saudi Arabia's human rights is getting better every year. Just be patient.
I heard that the Saudi offficials have scheduled with interior ministry about the recommendations for women's drivin in this month.
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Butzdenn, you asked Muslims what is penal responsibility, right?
First of all, I already gave the link about refuting Banu Qurayzah you nickelhead. This blog already answer your questions about penal responsibility and pubic hair.
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/01/01/re-examining-banu-qurayzah-incident/
Read it!!!
Next, you claim that it's permissible to kill pagans whatever they find them. Actually, you take the verse out of context.
Visit:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/08/12/quran-2191-and-kill-them-wherever-you-find-them-explained/
Again, why the Prophet condemned killing women and children?
Moses was a brutal killer in the bible, but he was a peaceful prophet.
If you hate Muhammad, then you hate Moses as well.
If not, then try to avoid a double standard, buddy.
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OK fool! Let's stick to one verse as stand alone!
KILL THE PAGANS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM!
go! Go kill them!
The verse is referring to pagans of Mecca as they became hostile due to people began to abandon act of worshiping of sculptures / statues. http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=918.0
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Actually,Paul fit a false prophet,how many times does Osama and others have to explain to you,that this stupidity of yours Is leading you to hell,but other than that,Paul forbade Marriage,Paul denied the teachings of Jesus and upheld his own,Paul had many false prophecies,etc,etc,etc I can show more proof he was a false prophet.
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OK fool! Let's stick to one verse as stand alone!
KILL THE PAGANS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM!
go! Go kill them!
Do not insult any member here on this board. This is a warning to you. And according to your faith (and also Islam), when Christ returns, he will put all evil on earth to the sword. So who is the doofus now?
"KILL THE PAGANS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM!
go! Go kill them!"
Yeah Jesus. Kill them wherever you find them, when you return. Amen to that. Ameen indeed. Also, the following links should help you clear all doubts:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
Osama Abdallah
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MAY I ASK, who standardized morality and human rights? I respect human rights as sanctioned by the bible. The bible said, submit to ordinances of man, that dont contradicts gods law. Such as, freedom of religion, thus i respect muslims right to practice religion in consonance to biblical parameters, but when you kill enemies, i dont approve of it but your right to do it must be respected likewise satanists rights or gays rights of same sex, we respect their right to it, we dont kill them or force them to stop
BEC GOD SAID, THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION!
it was god who gave us freewill, thus giving us rights to choose!
AND OSAMA, dont take the bible out of context! If you want make a debate thread exclusive for us to resolve the matter peacefully!
KILL PAGANS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM is a standard law in times of war, all actions of muhammad unabrogated is for all times!
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Yes we should not take our BS Bibleb verses out of context but you can,but u can take that verse of pagan out of context !!?
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No. It was on a different note that it was purposed for answering not your lopsided imagination!
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Actually,Butzdenn the verse you posted,if you read it completely it clearly says "turn them out" from where they have "turned you out" meaning that they had massacred and rid Muslims of their homes,so it's time Muslims turn them out, as they have turned us out.
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Don't insist. Comprehend how I meant it. Juggernaut!
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Butzdenn (Denis Butic) please answer my question,. Why did u not remove ur refuttation to my work when I have rebuked it?
Ur. Site policy dictates that u would remove any material that u tried falsifying if ur claims were weak or were refutted.
Our debate clearly showed I refutted ur claims.
Why have u not deleted it?
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Butzen,
You may not post any link here. Only arguments. Please visit the following links:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
Our brother Idris has clearly proven that your Dead Sea Scrolls had been tampered with and their texts had been altered. See the ample images. These are the cheap standards of your corrupt scriptures. Much falsehood and conjecture exists in them. Only Islam is the Divine Truth.
May Allah Almighty further lead you to Islam. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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ABSOLUTLY true, brother Idris showed the corruption in the original Isaiah scrolls and blew the entire life open on Ahmed being mentioned in DSS.
Also as I stated before brother Idris confirmed his finding by Rabi Abrahamson . So there is nothing else to discuss. Ahmed is in Bible and u should become a Muslim. As I stated before prophet Ahmed(Muhammad pbuhis) is the comforter that Jesus pbuh's talked about. So even Jesus pbuh is telling u to follow prophet Ahmed.
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Correction: entire lid
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I want to be refuted with evidence on a word to post basis! If you cannot debate me on your own terms but relying on others which has no capacity to respond! You're showing, you're weak and your source who cannot debate certifies his evidence which cannot respond in a gridlock!
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Osama! Give links that opens direct to the point not a link that opens to confusing labyrinth of articles!
FYI
NOONE DISPROVES ME YET OPENLY WHEREIN REASONING IS POWER!
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Butzdenn,Your sources cannot be trusted,you are asserting everything.
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What is funny you are such an Ignoramus,Butzdenn,that not only Is your argument one sided,not only is your argument so biased,you have been cherry picking the Quran.
If I cherry pick your Bible donot cry that I'm Cherry picking because there is a lot of horrible stuff in it.
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What is funny you are such an Ignoramus,Butzdenn,that not only Is your argument one sided,not only is your argument so biased,you have been cherry picking the Quran.
If I cherry pick your Bible donot cry that I'm Cherry picking because there is a lot of horrible stuff in it.
Exactly