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Title: Isis Supporters
Post by: Monys on June 02, 2017, 01:35:59 PM
Assalyum Alekum Brothers in Allah
I really want to talk about this
a few days ago I had a conversation with 2 Isis supporters in the Internet
Wallah I have been shocked by their cruelty
They said that Killing Innocent children is okay because Muslim children are being killed so this is a revenge
They also said a lot of Horrible things I don't wanna mention because it's Disturbing
I think we should also refute the Arguments of Takfeeris and try to limit them because they're also a threat
they're not any better than Christians or Atheists who criticize Islam
When any bombing happens in Western countries and I take a Look at the comments I find many Muslims "Usually Khaleejis" are very very blessed about that bombing and do Takbeer and are happy of Innocents including women and children being Killed
Title: Sure, and ISIS's revenge is to destroy a ice cream store?Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Albarra on June 02, 2017, 03:37:55 PM
Sure, and ISIS' revenge is to kill random people in at a ice cream store? These supporters are completely idiots!
Where do you get some information from? Give me a link.
I've never met an ISIS supporter, but I'm excited to see this.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Albarra on June 02, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
I have never heard that you should kill innocent children because Muslim children were being killed. The Quran does not tell us to kill innocent people if Muslim are being killed.
Even Muhammad (phub) condemned women and children in authentic Ahadith too.
By the way, ISIS actually killed more Muslim children than infidels. They even killed babies too.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: adilriaz123 on June 02, 2017, 05:11:05 PM
Asalam ul laykum brothers and sisters, no killing of children even children of mushrikeen or munafiqeen is not condoned. Infact there are clear verses from Quran prohibiting such things. During the times of Crusades when salahudin defeated them we did not kill their women or children and infact who wanted to leave peacefully we let them leave. During time of the sahabas there has been no incident where muslim have ever killed a child. So those who say such things as "it is ok because so and so reason" these people have rejected the Quran and Allah swt have rejected them.

Jazakallah.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Dawud on June 04, 2017, 03:17:55 AM
Prophet muhammad has prophecied ISIS clearly and urged muslims to fight them, and every muslims who is killed by them is a martyr, they are called dogs of hell.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: muslimforever2012 on June 08, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
Assalyum Alekum Brothers in Allah
I really want to talk about this
a few days ago I had a conversation with 2 Isis supporters in the Internet
Wallah I have been shocked by their cruelty
They said that Killing Innocent children is okay because Muslim children are being killed so this is a revenge
They also said a lot of Horrible things I don't wanna mention because it's Disturbing
I think we should also refute the Arguments of Takfeeris and try to limit them because they're also a threat
they're not any better than Christians or Atheists who criticize Islam
When any bombing happens in Western countries and I take a Look at the comments I find many Muslims "Usually Khaleejis" are very very blessed about that bombing and do Takbeer and are happy of Innocents including women and children being Killed

Did you meet them on a chat board or on Facebook or where?
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Monys on June 09, 2017, 11:15:53 AM
@Muslimforever2012
Yes I have seen some of them in Arabic facebook
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: muslimforever2012 on June 10, 2017, 07:32:38 AM
@Muslimforever2012
Yes I have seen some of them in Arabic facebook

You must report them. We don't want another terrorist attack.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: shaad on June 10, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
Well you should refute them using the Quran and the Hadith....
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 10, 2017, 11:28:51 AM
Assalyum Alekum Brothers in Allah
I really want to talk about this
a few days ago I had a conversation with 2 Isis supporters in the Internet
Wallah I have been shocked by their cruelty
They said that Killing Innocent children is okay because Muslim children are being killed so this is a revenge
They also said a lot of Horrible things I don't wanna mention because it's Disturbing
I think we should also refute the Arguments of Takfeeris and try to limit them because they're also a threat
they're not any better than Christians or Atheists who criticize Islam
When any bombing happens in Western countries and I take a Look at the comments I find many Muslims "Usually Khaleejis" are very very blessed about that bombing and do Takbeer and are happy of Innocents including women and children being Killed

Please do not ever to talk to them again, they might hurt for just disagreeing with them. They aren't real Muslims anyway, they are just paid to make Islam looks bad, it's very hilarious to believe  that Isis are real Muslims. They are simply paid, try to avoid them as much as possible. They very dangerous and Take care..
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 10, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
You*
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 10, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
How can i edit my posts?
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Albarra on June 10, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
How can i edit my posts?
A proud Muslim,

I have no idea.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Albarra on June 10, 2017, 10:55:44 PM
@Muslimforever2012
Yes I have seen some of them in Arabic facebook

You must report them. We don't want another terrorist attack.

Agree
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: AhmadFarooq on June 11, 2017, 01:05:38 AM
Osama Abdullah has blocked editing of posts on his forum, apparently because editing of personal posts allowed some miscreant users to more maliciously use the forum. By editing their posts it was possible for them to lie, change their arguments mid-debate, deny getting refuted etc.

I think we should also refute the Arguments of Takfeeris and try to limit them because they're also a threat
they're not any better than Christians or Atheists who criticize Islam

If I understand you correctly, it is quite unfair to count Christians or Atheists, just because they criticise Islam, with Daesh. I believe, little if any, evidence can be provided to draw a parallel between the two. Criticism often is a primary mode of learning and understanding something while improving oneself or others in the process.

They aren't real Muslims anyway, they are just paid to make Islam looks bad, it's very hilarious to believe  that Isis are real Muslims. They are simply paid...

Are you talking about some Daesh supporters, or all of them? It is difficult to imagine that the ones who carry out lone-wolf attacks are paid to do so.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: muslimforever2012 on June 11, 2017, 06:14:52 AM
Monys.

Don't report them on Facebook. You should report them here: https://tips.fbi.gov/

For everyone reading, if you find anyone suspicious, you should also report them, to let the critics know that Muslims do not condone terrorism.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 11, 2017, 06:52:05 AM
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Are you talking about some Daesh supporters, or all of them? It is difficult to imagine that the ones who carry out lone-wolf attacks are paid to do so.

Yes, i am talking about all of them, they are definitely paid. Do you really think that Daesh supports are real Muslims? Does the Quran tell us to kill innocent people? Is there any hadith that tells to kil children? Is there any Muslim scholar that tells us to kill infidels? It's quite obvious that Daesh are hired to make Islam look bad, so in conclusion it's clear that Daesh supporters aren't real Muslims
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 11, 2017, 06:54:52 AM
Sorry for the grammatical errors, i was writing fast, the next time i'll try to write slowly.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: AhmadFarooq on June 11, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Do you have any evidence that Daesh supporters who have carried out lone-wolf attacks are paid to do so?
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: A proud Muslim on June 11, 2017, 06:42:51 PM
Do you have any evidence that Daesh supporters who have carried out lone-wolf attacks are paid to do so?

Yes, i do.
-Are Daesh supporters following the Quran? No
-Are they following the hadiths? No
-Does the Quran forbids killing innocent people? Yes
-Is there any hadith that allows Muslims to kill innocent people? No

And now it's quite obvious that Daesh supporters are paid. Also i was wondering why are you defending them? As far as i know they are brainwashing people by making people think that Islam is behind all those Terriosts attacks, please do not jump to conclusion. In conclusion it's clear that Daesh supports are paid.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: AhmadFarooq on June 12, 2017, 01:24:19 AM
This is not evidence, it is merely your conjecture and opinion. Just because I demand evidence, before blindly believing something someone on the internet says, does not mean I am defending some group - which happens to be another allegation you have made without providing any evidence.

Other than the things mentioned before, another thing Islam teaches is to not make allegations without evidence. Someone can argue that you are quoting Islam in a partial manner; when there is something which supports your opinion you accept it and when it negatively applies to you personally, you might not have found issue with ignoring it.

- "Are Daesh supporters following the Quran? Are they following the hadiths?"

They think they are, or they are following those who manipulate them into believing that they are.

- "Does the Quran forbids killing innocent people? Is there any hadith that allows Muslims to kill innocent people? "

They do not believe their victims to be "innocent".

Tell me, when a Muslim murders, robs, kidnaps, assaults, blackmails or defrauds another person what is your first thought? Is it that, that Muslim must have been paid by some malicious anti-Islamist, atheistic, devil worshipping, entities whose sole purpose in the world is to end the light and righteousness of Islam? I doubt it.

Why is it so difficult to believe that Muslims don't need anyone paying them to kill and maim others? Why is it difficult to believe that Muslims on their own, without any help from any external forces, can be incredibly horrible people too?

Furthermore, while it may be true that the methodology applied by Daesh in pursuit of their objectives is difficult to defend from an Islamic point-of-view, at the same time, it is also difficult to deny that those same objectives parallel the goals of at least some mainstream Muslim scholars. Do you think apostates and blasphemers come under the category of "innocents", a lot of Muslims, although critics of Daesh but similar to Daesh, don't believe so and argue that they should be killed. There are also scholars who believe in the concept of a Global Caliphate and not letting any non-Muslim government to rule, which is purportedly the main objective of Daesh.

Muslims can either continue to believe that they are some special righteous people who are incapable of performing horrible acts (even though they did murder two of the Prophet's successors and his grandson along with his family) and that the real culprits are always some veiled non-Muslims dastardly manipulating events and their outcomes; or they can as a whole accept the high responsibility that Islam puts on them and comprehensively deal, instead of ignoring, the circumstances and faults that allow their religion to be used as justification for these unfortunate incidents.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: adilriaz123 on June 12, 2017, 02:15:45 AM
Asalam ul laykum brothers and sisters, first off, before we decide to call an individual a Daesh supporter. We need to do a careful investigation. Most of these "so-called" Daesh supporters aren't Daesh supporters. Infact, many of them before commiting the acts did indeed release a statement on social media how they became fed up with the continuous persecution of muslims and how they want American to stop spreading chaos in their countries. Truth of the fact is there is SUBSTANCLE amount of evidence to prove that US, Britain and Isreal are carrying out a genocide against muslims all over the world. the most clear voices are the judeo-christians social media terrorists like Pamella Geller, David Woods, Jay Smith and so on. The media as we know it is created by the Zionists even the early history of media shows it has always been Jewish owned, for example the pigeon carrier business being started by Jacob de Rothschild.

the real facts are being swept under the rug and that is Majority of these attacks have been due to sending a message to the government to stop this Genocide. But media never lets the true story come out. but remember Daesh and all of these terrorist groups are paid and owned by US, Britain and Isreal.

here is a de-classified government document that proves this:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/dia-docs-west-wants-a-salafist-principality-in-eastern-syria.html



Those of u if ever have looked at the Foreign policy Projects PNAC and FPI, you would know that the true culprit of the Middle East chaos is mainly West, even though I do agree with u brother AhmedFarooq that we muslim ummah are not perfect and have had religious infights but NOTHING like this ever happened before.

Infact these Anglo-American Isreali agendas are to redraw and create a Greater Isreal, since people are starting to wake up to the reality this is going on. they changed it to "New Middle East" or "Greater Middle East" a plan to REFORM middle eastern countries according to US, Britain and Isreal's interests.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882


I do not believe that most of these lone wolf attacks are by Daesh Supporters but rather by those who can no longer take all this chaos that is going on. But inshallah, we as muslims know this was going to happen as Allah swt and Muhammad pbuh told us, so we must bare patience and inshallah the Zalimun will definatly get their Recompense.
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: Monys on June 17, 2017, 04:25:04 PM
Monys.

Don't report them on Facebook. You should report them here: https://tips.fbi.gov/

For everyone reading, if you find anyone suspicious, you should also report them, to let the critics know that Muslims do not condone terrorism.
Report someone from arab countries to the Fbi?
Title: Re: Isis Supporters
Post by: muslimforever2012 on June 17, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
Monys.

Don't report them on Facebook. You should report them here: https://tips.fbi.gov/

For everyone reading, if you find anyone suspicious, you should also report them, to let the critics know that Muslims do not condone terrorism.
Report someone from arab countries to the Fbi?

you can ask them to see their ip and see where they are from. even if they are arab, the fbi can arrest them if they travel to usa.