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Is Quran 34:10 a Historical Error "Chain Mail" ?
« on: December 09, 2016, 08:02:18 AM »
According to Surah 34:10-11,
“We bestowed Grace aforetime on David from ourselves: ‘O ye Mountains! Sing ye back the Praises of Allah with him! and ye birds also! And We made the iron soft for him;- Commanding, ‘Make thou coats of mail, balancing well the rings of chain armour, and work ye righteousness; for be sure I see clearly all that ye do.'”

They Say That Chain Mail Didn't Exist In The Time of David Any Response?

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Re: Is Quran 34:10 a Historical Error "Chain Mail" ?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 12:28:36 PM »
Mail coats existed because we have evidence/quran.

Disbelievers simply don't know. They want to prove quran wrong since it was revealed-and they failed. Absence of evidence(not finding it in the soil) is not evidence of absence.

I found this online u may want to read it:https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Quran-get-the-history-of-iron-wrong/answer/Abd-Ul-Rahman-Lomax
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By Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax, Formally accepted Islam in 1971
I'm continue to be amazed at how people read errors into the Qur'an. 34:10-11 does not say what is alleged. That is a possible interpretation, perhaps, but I will show the verses on a site with all translations:

Saba` 34:10 Notice that Muhammad Asad  translates Hadid as "sharpness." That could be metaphorical. Hadid is used for iron, but this is  the root:

IslamAwakened - Haa-Dal-Dal ; the word used could mean iron, pig iron, unprocessed iron. Then we have 34:10. A straightforward reading is "and then we made iron soft for him." The metaphorical meaning would be "we made what is hard or sharp, easy or soft." If literally iron, it could mean that it was made molten, or it could possibly mean that it was made soft enough to work, which is the controversial meaning here.

"Conventional dating" for the time of King David was about 1000 BCE.

Soft iron, or workable iron, "wrought iron," is commonly thought to be  a relatively modern discovery. The  origin seems to be unclear. The Wikipedia article Wrought iron mentions reference to a form of wrought iron in 1200 CE. There is a wrought iron monument in India, Iron pillar of Delhi , which has been considered as old as the time of David, though the article claims this is no longer accepted. An earlier version of  the article   had it being erected about 400 CE.

However, looking around,  this academic page, Ancient Metallurgy , has an early date for steel of about 1200 BCE, and claims that Homer mentioned it. This would be roughly contemporaneous with David. It's said there that "steel was too difficult to produce dependably to come into wide use at that point.."

See the academically published article: http://"The heart of steel: a metallurgical interpretation of iron in Homer"  The article mentions  that iron was an odd rarity initially. This article, in quite a number of ways, directly contradicts the claim here. Wrought iron and steel existed, though rare, at the time of David.

So even if we take the reference as being to "soft iron," it is not an anachronism, it's possibly historical. There is no indication in the verse of wide usage, and it is only wide usage that would be anachronistic.

Then there is the alleged making of coats of mail, armor, from iron. The actual verse:

Saba` 34:11 ... doesn't mention iron. A few translations insert it as a gloss.

The claim of the OP appears to be unsupported by any clear evidence, and even if no example were known to us, an example could have existed, some accident in smelting iron, perhaps,  that produced a batch of workable iron. It is not impossible that this was then worked into armor, and that it did not pass into wide usage does not contradict this.

The Qur'an is not a history text, and I was fully prepared, here, to find that it would be necessary to interpret the verse metaphorically. That is not necessary. There is no error, merely an assertion that we can trust or not, as we choose.

If the OP thinks that he will benefit by his denial, created only by ignorant surmise, he is free to toss himself into that furnace and see what happens with his heart. Will it soften?

al-Baqarah 2:74

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Re: Is Quran 34:10 a Historical Error "Chain Mail" ?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 02:15:34 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

This point is also refuted here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2411.msg10915.html#msg10915

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Quran 34:10 a Historical Error "Chain Mail" ?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 02:52:20 PM »
Nevermind I read Wikipedia I'm Shock this Dirty Liars LIED TO ME!!!!!! I'm gone finally expose them yes new video coming soon!!!
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Re: Is Quran 34:10 a Historical Error "Chain Mail" ?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 06:34:43 PM »
Assalamo Alaykom,

If every human on earth claim that Quran contains errors, don’t believe them.
1)   Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). (15:9)

The disbelievers recognize Islam very well but they are arrogant. They want to be the leaders (Prophets), not Mohammad.
2)   Then, if they turn away, your duty (O Muhammad) is only to convey (the Message) in a clear way. They recognise the Grace of Allah, yet they deny it (by worshipping others besides Allah) and most of them are disbelievers (deny the Prophethood of Muhammad). (16:82-83)

Allah told Prophet Mohammad ONLY to convey the message in a clear way, part of the message is:
3)   And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness. (25:63)

Is it worth it to disobey Allah and earn His anger because of those evil people? There is no reason to expose them, etc. This is what Allah said in Quran:
4)   Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (109:1-6)

I can assure you that if you tell them these verses, they will become very angry. But, if you fire back into them, they will cheer because they will know that they achieved their goal. Their goal is to provoke Muslims and to mock Quran.

As you see, Islam (Quran) is very simple but we need to understand it and act upon it. Then we will win by the favor of Allah. So, please hold your horses!

 

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