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If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:09:47 AM »
Hello, I was wondering if a hadith is considered sahih, does it make a true hadith 100% why can't the hadith be wrong but scholars have considered sahih? And if a hadith is considered weak, does that make it false 100%? I'm looking forward to your answers.

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 11:47:56 AM »
well, the basing of if a hadith is correct is through looking at the text, does it go against the quran and seeing the ones who have transmitted us the hadith. If the ones who have transmitted us the hadith are people who are : 1.known, 2.trustworthy 3. have good memory 4. are known not to lie and not to forge, then a hadith is accepted as hasan/sahih ( there is a lot more which happens, just a basic overview) but a hadith is completely solidified if it is: mutawatir. Mutawatir means with multiple chains of narration. So if the same story or words are transmitted by different people.

if you are sking is every sngle hadith in bukhari 100% sahih, well i would guess no, in al of those thousands of hadith, 1 lie could have slipped in, his is because bukhari and al albani and darussalam are al humans, and maybe a lie wasnt spotted or something. If a hadith is sahih we muslims take it, wheterh we like it or not.

if a hadith is sahih it means it is sound and true

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 01:03:28 PM »
well, the basing of if a hadith is correct is through looking at the text, does it go against the quran and seeing the ones who have transmitted us the hadith. If the ones who have transmitted us the hadith are people who are : 1.known, 2.trustworthy 3. have good memory 4. are known not to lie and not to forge, then a hadith is accepted as hasan/sahih ( there is a lot more which happens, just a basic overview) but a hadith is completely solidified if it is: mutawatir. Mutawatir means with multiple chains of narration. So if the same story or words are transmitted by different people.

if you are sking is every sngle hadith in bukhari 100% sahih, well i would guess no, in al of those thousands of hadith, 1 lie could have slipped in, his is because bukhari and al albani and darussalam are al humans, and maybe a lie wasnt spotted or something. If a hadith is sahih we muslims take it, wheterh we like it or not.

if a hadith is sahih it means it is sound and true
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So basically, you're saying that even a sahih hadith cannot be 100% true, it could be a lie that have slipped in, and the scholars didn't spot that lie. So my problem is with the hadith regrading drawing, the hadith talks about how drawing things with soul is prohibited. The problem that the prophet (peace be upon him) has cursed the people who draw things with soul, but how come the prophet(Peace upon him) curse those people and the Quran don't mention a thing about drawing things with souls being haram?! Plus that, the scholars have said it's permissible to draw things  with souls in special cases like drawing a criminal, or teaching or etc..But there's no any evidence that suggests that we can draw things with soul in "special cases". I'm looking forward to your answer.

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2017, 04:35:13 PM »
Oh sorry, a mistake. Here's my reply:
So basically, you're saying that even a sahih hadith cannot be 100% true, it could be a lie that have slipped in, and the scholars didn't spot that lie. So my problem is with the hadith regrading drawing, the hadith talks about how drawing things with soul is prohibited. The problem that the prophet (peace be upon him) has cursed the people who draw things with soul, but how come the prophet(Peace upon him) curse those people and the Quran don't mention a thing about drawing things with souls being haram?! Plus that, the scholars have said it's permissible to draw things  with souls in special cases like drawing a criminal, or teaching or etc..But there's no any evidence that suggests that we can draw things with soul in "special cases". I'm looking forward to your answer.

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 06:39:49 PM »
ok say regarding the hadith on drawing, these hadiths are mutawatir have been said multiple times by the prophet,

One is drawing pictures of animate beings. It says in the Sunnah that this is forbidden. It is not permitted to draw anything that depicts animate beings, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, according to the saheeh hadeeth: “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allaah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who consume riba (interest, usury) and those who pay it, and he cursed the image-makers.

so with regards to drawing animate beings it is pretty clearly in hadith.

And for your saying: it isnt mentioned in the quran, we dont only take whats in the quran we also take muhammad. As the quran says he is our model, well how do we follow him, by obeying him and ding what he told us, also quran 7:157. This is not going to be a refutation of quranists but we take sahih hadiths too. and about drawing is mutawatir and clearly done

but with regards to taking pictures on the phone nothing wrong
drawing inanimate beings nothing wrong
animate beings there is a dispute, see shabir ally on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVfAba_jtc

either way it is best to avoid things which have a dispute on it unless it is necessary to do it. So avoid drawing unless you kinda have to. Like dont draw for fun, but if you have to out of school or something, know there is a dispute

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2017, 07:24:12 PM »
ok say regarding the hadith on drawing, these hadiths are mutawatir have been said multiple times by the prophet,

One is drawing pictures of animate beings. It says in the Sunnah that this is forbidden. It is not permitted to draw anything that depicts animate beings, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, according to the saheeh hadeeth: “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allaah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who consume riba (interest, usury) and those who pay it, and he cursed the image-makers.

so with regards to drawing animate beings it is pretty clearly in hadith.

And for your saying: it isnt mentioned in the quran, we dont only take whats in the quran we also take muhammad. As the quran says he is our model, well how do we follow him, by obeying him and ding what he told us, also quran 7:157. This is not going to be a refutation of quranists but we take sahih hadiths too. and about drawing is mutawatir and clearly done

but with regards to taking pictures on the phone nothing wrong
drawing inanimate beings nothing wrong
animate beings there is a dispute, see shabir ally on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVfAba_jtc

either way it is best to avoid things which have a dispute on it unless it is necessary to do it. So avoid drawing unless you kinda have to. Like dont draw for fun, but if you have to out of school or something, know there is a dispute

Hello there, I think that I've found an answer, read the post by "Platine" in this link
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?226678-is-it-haram-to-draw-sketch-art

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Re: If a hadith is sahih, does it mean that it's true?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 08:45:21 PM »
Yes,but however,in the chain there has to be no disruption or Liars,it has to come from a Sahabi himself who WITNESSED Muhammad SAW giving this message.

then I do sincerely believe that hadith is indeed 100% the sayings of the Prophet SAW.

 

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