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Noah's Flood was regional and targeted at one community
« on: August 28, 2022, 08:08:55 AM »
Surat al-Qasas 59 Your Lord does not destroy countries/civilizations unless He sends a messenger to them in their centers who recites to them Our Verses. We do not destroy countries/civilizations unless their people turn to injustice.

Our Lord states that before destroying or punishing a society, He sends a messenger to it and does so if they persist in their mistakes.

Surah Yunus Surah 13 We destroyed the generations before you because they were unjust and did not believe when their messengers brought them clear proofs. This is how We punish the people who commit sin.

In other words, for a civilization to be destroyed, there is a condition of 1) deviation (and continuation) of oppression and 2) the arrival of a messenger.

Isra

15. Whoever is guided is guided for himself. Whoever goes astray goes astray to his own detriment. No one bears the burden of another. We do not punish anyone without sending a messenger
     
16. When We wish to destroy a community, We allow its prominent wealthy people to do evil there. Then the promise to that community is fulfilled and We destroy it.
   
17. And how many a people did We destroy after Noah, and your Lord is sufficient as the All-Knowing and All-Seeing of the sins of His servants.

It is also very clearly stated that the same thing happened to Noah's people. In other words, this prophet only warned the people to whom he was sent and only they were destroyed by Noah's Flood. Everyone gets what they deserve in this world and the Hereafter.

In this context, there can be no question of the whole world and humanity being punished for what Noah's people did, as the modified Torah states. According to the Qur'an, the only protected religious source, the Flood punished and destroyed only that people.

Surah Noah 1 We sent Noah to his people to warn them before a terrible torment came upon them.

Surat al-A'raf: 59 And certainly We sent Noah to his people and he said: "O my people! Serve and worship Allah. You have no god but Him. I fear that a great torment will descend upon you."
   
And We sent to Ad their brother Hud, and he said: "O my people! Serve Allah. You have no god but Him. Do you still not abstain?"
   
Surat al-A'raf 73 And We sent to Thamud their brother Salih: "O my people! Serve Allah. You have no god but Him. A clear proof has come to you from your Lord. This is the camel of Allah. A miracle for you. Leave it alone, let it graze on Allah's land. Do not touch it with evil intent. Otherwise a terrible torment will seize you."
   
Surah A'raf: 85 And We sent to Median their brother Shu'ayb, and he said: "O my people! Serve Allah. There is no god for you but Him! A clear proof has come to you from your Lord. Be honest in measuring and weighing. Do not stoop to confiscate people's property. And do not sow corruption in the earth after it has become peaceful. This is better for you if you are believers."

In these sample verses, the societies mentioned in these verses receive one (or more) warnings before they are punished. And again, it is clear that what happened to the people of Noah is exactly the same as what happened to the people of Ad, Thamud or Median. Just like the others, a messenger comes to them because of their rebellion, and when they continue in their wrongdoing, they receive the punishment they deserve and say goodbye to the world of trial (confrontation with themselves).

Surah Al-Isra: 17 And We destroyed many generations after Noah, and your Lord is sufficient as the Reckoner and Seer of the sins of His servants.
   
Noah

  21. Noah said, "My Lord, they have disobeyed me and followed a man whose money and children only harm him."
   
 22. "And they even set great traps."
   
 23. "They said, 'Do not abandon your gods. Do not forsake Vedd, nor Suva, nor Yegus, nor Yeuk, nor Nesr.'"
   
 24. "They have led many astray. So increase the confusion of the wrongdoers."
   
25. They were drowned and taken into the Fire because of their crimes. They could find no helper for themselves except Allah.
   
 26. Noah said, "My Lord, do not leave a single disbeliever on the earth."
   
27. "If you leave them, they will lead your servants astray and give birth only to lowly disbelievers."
   
28. "My Lord, forgive me and my parents and those who enter my house as believers, and the believing men and women, and increase only the destruction of the wrongdoers."

Here, too, it is clearly stated that it was the people of Noah who were drowned in the water and taken into the Fire in the Hereafter (verse 25).  Now some will say that Noah's prayer in verse 26 is a universal request. It is the prophet's own desire, not the actual event.Noah prays for the destruction of all the unbelievers after the flood.

In other words, it is not a prayer he made beforehand, so even this is proof that the flood was localized, he makes his prayer at the very end after the event is over: 71:25 They were drowned and thrown into the Fire because of their error. They found no helpers for themselves except Allah. 71:26 Noah prayed thus: "My Lord! Leave none of the disbelievers on the earth to dwell in it."

In fact, similar regional disasters that befell Noah's people have befallen other societies after him:

17. How many peoples did We destroy after Noah, and your Lord is sufficient as a Sender and Seer of the sins of His servants (Surat al-Nuh).

ZARIYAT

31 Abraham asked: "What is your purpose, O messengers?"
   
 32 They said: "We have been sent to a people of criminals."
   
 33 "That we may throw stones of clay on them."
   
34 "Stones marked in the sight of your Lord for the transgressors."
   
35 We drove out whoever was there of the believers.
   
36 We could not find therein any of the Muslims/submitters to Allah except in one house.
   
37 We left therein a sign for those who feared a painful torment;
   
38 And in Moses. We sent him to Pharaoh with a clear proof.
   
39 He turned away with all his power/all his elite men and said: "He is a sorcerer or a madman."
   
40 So We seized him and his army and threw them into the middle of the water. He was reproaching himself.
   
 41 And there is a sign in the people of 'Ad. We sent upon them the wind which uprooted everything.
   
42 It did not leave everything it passed over without reducing it to ashes.
   
43 And there is a sign in Thamûd. It was said to them: "Eat and drink and enjoy yourselves until a time."
   
44 Then they disobeyed the command of their Lord, and the lightning seized them as they looked on.
   
 45 They could not get up and escape, nor could anyone help them.
   
46 And We had destroyed the people of Noah before, for they too were a people who had departed from the truth.

Once again, we realize that it is not the world, but only a region and its people, that suffers disaster. Noah, Median, Ad, Thamud.... what happened to all these societies is parallel. They disbelieved and turned to evil, a warner came to them, they continued to do evil and finally they were punished. All of them are exemplary events that happened to that society.


Surat al-Hadid: 26 And We sent Noah and Abraham as Messengers, and We placed the Prophethood and the Book among their descendants. Some of those descendants were guided. But most of them are those who have gone astray.

Hud

32. They said: "O Noah! You have struggled with us, and you have gone too far in your struggle with us. Bring forth what you threaten us with if you are of the truthful."

33. Noah said: "Only Allah will bring it to you if He wills, and you will not be able to prevent it."

34. Nûh said: "If Allah wishes to mislead you, my advice will avail you nothing, even if I seek to advise you. To Him is your Lord and to Him you will be returned."

35. Or do they say, "He fabricated it himself"? Say: "If I have fabricated it, my guilt is against me. But I am not responsible for the crimes you are committing."

36. It was revealed to Noah: "None of your people will believe except those who believed before. So do not grieve over what they do."

37. Build the ship before our eyes according to Our revelation. And do not quarrel with me about the wrong-doers. They will surely be drowned.

38. He was building the ark. Whenever any of his people passed by, they mocked at him. Noah said, "If you mock us, we will mock you. Just as you are amused."

39. "Soon you will know on whom the humiliating torment will come, and on whom the everlasting torment will descend."

40. And when Our command came and the tandoor boiled, We called out: "Load into it two pairs of each and your family, except those against whom judgment has been pronounced, and those who believed." But only a few believed with Noah.

Those who claim that Noah's Flood covered the whole world try to cling to this expression of collecting pairs of every living thing. But what is meant here is to collect samples from the animals in that area. If someone said to you "pick all the apples", you would think that they meant the ones in your locality, not all the apples in the world. In the same way, it is not talking about all the animals in the world, it is talking about the place where Noah was. For him to collect samples from all the creatures on earth, he would have had to make a world tour and build a huge ship, perhaps the size of a city. What is meant is the collection of pairs from there.

So if Noah's Flood was localized, how come one country was flooded and other neighboring nations were unharmed? If Noah's people lived on an island, this is quite possible. And this island could be a continental island, perhaps the size of Australia or even larger. And in that case, they would have disappeared under the waters and this catastrophe would have affected only them.

Now notice these verses:

Qamar

10. So he cried to his Lord, "I am defeated, help me!"

11. So We opened the gates of the sky with a flood of water.

12. And We split open the earth, spring by spring. And at last the waters merged into a certain measured formation.

13. And We carried it on what was formed of plates and nails.

14 It ran under Our watchful eyes; a reward for one who was rejected.

"They denied him. So We saved him and those with him in the ark, and We drowned those who denied Our signs. For they were a blind people." (Surat al-A'raf, 64)


Water descends on the land from the sky and water gushes up from the ground, and then the waters merge, according to verses 11 and 12. It is a scene reminiscent of an island sinking. To the island (perhaps the huge island continent) 1- Water is pouring down from the sky 2- There are explosions from under the earth and the water rises from there 3- As a result of this, that is, as a result of the flooding of the island from above (from the sky) and below (from underground), this flood meets the sea on all four sides and the island is completely flooded and sinks into the depths of the ocean, as it seems.

ANKEBUT

14. By Allah, We sent Noah to his people and he remained among them fifty years less than a thousand years. Finally the flood seized them. For they were wrongdoers.

15. And We saved Noah and the people of the ark, and We made the ark a sign for the worlds.

Again, it is explained that it was Noah's people who were punished and why. It is also stated that the prophet lived for over 950 years. It seems that his community did not find this longevity strange. If so, it may have been common for Noah's people to live for a thousand years, and this may indicate that they were a very advanced civilization in science and technology, at least in the field of medicine. As we know, our Lord says that there were advanced civilizations in the past, but they could not escape extinction because of their disbelief.

Let us now turn to another very important point:

ARAF

65 And We sent to 'Ad their brother Hûd. He said: "O My people! Serve Allah. You have no god but Him. Do you still not abstain?"


67 Hûd said: "O my people, there is no foolishness in me; I am a Messenger from the Lord of the worlds."

 69 "Are you surprised that a warning has come to you from your Lord through a man from among you to warn you? Remember that He made you successors after the people of Noah and gave you a greater stature in creation. Remember the blessings of Allah so that you may be saved."

Here too, a comparison is made between the people of Noah and the people of Ad, and it is stated that the people of Ad were bigger and taller than the people of Noah. So there is no comparison between the old people and the new people. It is only a physical comparison between Noah and Ad. Just like the British today are bigger and taller than the Japanese.


Surat al-Rum: 47 And We sent messengers before you to their people, and they brought them clear proofs. Finally, We took vengeance on those who sinned, and it was Our right to help those who believed.

Noah surah 1. We sent Noah to his people to warn them before a terrible torment came upon them.

And it is repeatedly stated that Noah was sent only to his people and it was only his people who were punished.

"They denied him. So We saved him and those with him in the Ark, and We drowned those who denied Our signs. For they were a blind people." (Surat al-A'raf, 64)

Another proof that the Flood was regional is the following verses:

Isra

 2. In the same way, We gave Moses the Book. to guide the children of Israel to the truth: "Take no master besides me.

3. They are the descendants of those whom We carried with Noah; he was a grateful servant.

4. In the Book, We said to the sons of Israel: "You will make mischief on the earth twice, and you will be arrogant."

Notice that the Children of Israel are "the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah". If Noah's Flood had been universal and not regional, and if only Noah and those who boarded the ark had survived the catastrophe all over the world, then all people on earth today would be descendants of Noah's people. But no, the verse says that only the Children of Israel are the descendants of those who boarded Noah's ark. So the other nations did not descend from the people on that ark, and certainly it was only Noah's people who were destroyed in that catastrophe.


(My Turkish article translated with machine)

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nuh-tufan-bolgesel-ve-tek-topluma.html

Peace

 

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