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Title: Hadith rats
Post by: H. on September 24, 2017, 06:13:38 AM
Assalamu alaikum,

Question about these 3 hadith:

Bukhari 3305: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats, for if you put the milk of a she-camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of it, it will drink it." I told this to Ka`b who asked me, "Did you hear it from the Prophet (ﷺ) ?" I said, "Yes." Ka`b asked me the same question several times.; I said to Ka`b. "Do I read the Torah? (i.e. I tell you this from the Prophet

Muslim2997 a: Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
A group of Bani Isra'il was lost. I do not know what happened to it, but I think (that it 'underwent a process of metamorphosis) and assumed the shape of rats. Don't you see when the milk of the camel is placed before them, these do not drink and when the milk of goat is placed before them, these do drink. Abu Huraira said: I narrated this very hadith to Ka'b and he said: Did you hear this from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)? I (Abu Huraira) said: Yes. He said this again and again, and I said: Have I read Torah? This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Ishaq with a slight variation of wording.

2997 b: Abu Huraira reported that the rat (is the result of) metamorphosis (of a group of Bani Isra'il) and the proof of this is that when the milk of goat is placed before it, it drinks it, and when the milk of the camel is placed before it, it would not taste it at all. Ka'b said:

I have multiple questions on these ahadith. Firstly why is it aleays bani israel that geta transformed into animals, apes pigs lizards rats.

Next doe snt the hadith make a flaw in its deduction. It says because rats dont drink the camel milk they are jews because jews arent allowed to take from the camel. Couldnt i then male the claim that because muslims dont eat pork and rats dont eat pork rats are muslims.

Also the hadith seems to indicate that all tats are those from the israelites because no rats drinm from camel milk and by the deduction given in the hadith that would mean they are all israelites.

Could someone help mr out eith this hafith

Jazkallah khair
Title: Re: Hadith rats
Post by: AD47574 on September 25, 2017, 07:20:58 AM