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Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« on: January 13, 2014, 06:22:35 PM »
Watch this video, this is probably the most accurate mainstream representation of the public perception of Islam.

Warning: it has swears and she is a very emotional person, so do not let your children or anyone sensitive to this watch or hear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eI3S_UoCJE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUravYcv6C0CopL2ukVzhzNw

Topics Discussed:
  • Death for apostates (not a Quranic concept, stems from hadiths)
  • Violence against those people who draw the prophet (not a Quranic concept, stems from Hadiths)
  • The prophet being a pedophile (not a Quranic concept, stems from hadiths)
  • The prophet being 'evil' (notice how the Quran does not make the prophet look bad like Hadiths)
  • Muslim countries following Shariah based on Hadiths (Like Saudi Arabia)"

The problem with Islam is Muslims NOT following the Quran.

The Quran has predicted this and warned us of this:

[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and  divert others from the path of God without knowledge


For those particularly interested in the purely Quranic standing of Jihad and Apostasy please visit:

Jihad:
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/the_concept_of_jihad_(P1360).html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jihad.htm (brother Osama has done great on this one! Used the Quran to demolish baseless Hadiths)

Apostasy:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm
http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/death-for-apostasy.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_oKXh2oy8E

Contrast this to 'sahih' hadiths that say death to apostates, don't draw pictures of people, kill all non-Muslims, and the ones the demean the prophet.

The Quran calls the prophet a Noble Messenger. Unfortunately, the overall descriptions of him in hadiths don't seem to say the same.

I call for an Islamic revival. Right now the mainstream Islam is wrong and it is not the way of the Quran. The so called Muslim countries are not good examples of the Quranic Islam. Its time to revive Islam. So I encourage you to get out there, write blogs and papers and bring out the true Islam.


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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 06:40:58 PM »
Let me tell everyone right now that if I had just superficially examined Islam, I would have NEVER became a Muslim. I was like her at one point..so much misunderstanding!

If it wasn't for my in depth analysis of Islam, I would be just like her. When I went to a mosque for the very first time many years ago do you think I had positive perceptions of Islam?

This is a problem, people don't look at Muslims and "wow, they look like they are peaceful people" or "Wow, they must have the right religion". This is NOT from the media. This is from US! Muslims are making Islam look bad, it is not the media no matter how much we want to blame it.

Muslims are killing Apostates, Muslims are killing innocents etc etc.

The Issue brothers and sisters, is in Hadiths.

The first step to deal with this misrepresentation of Islam, brothers and sisters, is to divorce Islam from the hadiths.

Sorry for this rant, but I do hope Muslims will leave the sect scene and unite as one community. A community who does not blindly believe what the hadiths say about the as-hab of the prophet or his wives or his actions.

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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2014, 08:02:03 AM »
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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2014, 10:21:49 AM »
So in short , because people don't like Islam , we should reject Hadith . That's what seems to be your point of this post .

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However, just because someone draws him, we should not use violence against them,
If what you mean is what I think it is , I'd have to disagree . It is reported that the entire body of scholars agreed : Whoever insults Allah or his prophet are apostates if Muslims , breaking treaty if non Muslims .
http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=44469
So what's my point ? Such insolence should be punished . However , it is also agreed that only the leader "Wali Al-Amr" has the right to execute such laws and not civilians .

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The Prophet being a pedophile does not stem from hadiths. Yes, he was married to a nine yeas old, but Aisha was engaged before she was married with the Prophet (anyone who has read the Prophet's life knows this). Unless someone comes and says that even the other person who wanted to marry Aisha was a pedophile, this is enough to refute this claim, we don't have to reject the hadiths. It is simply a stupid claim, and Muslim apologists have dealt with it in the best way, refuting it completely. And, do you know that WikiIslam has an article that is called "Pedophilia in the Quran"? Should we now reject the Quran? No, we will defend it.
Could you please not repeat the insult literally ? I don't think it's difficult to say "The accusation of pedophilia against the prophet peace upon him" . And I don't think you should call the ones refuting false accusations against Islam "Apologists" . We're not justifying a crime , we're showing the error of the opponent's way of thinking .
As for this overused stupid accusation , in short , they need to call themselves pedophiles . In USA , states differ in the age of marriage . Some allow it at 16 and some at 20 . So the ones who marry at 20 should call those who marry at 18 "Pedophiles" . Also , the ones who marry at 18 should call the ones who marry at 16 pedophiles . It's a matter of maturity and we don't need permission from sex addicted individuals to accept it .

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If a hadith, in some ways makes the Prophet look evil, it must have an explanation and you can find those explanations if you refer to scholars.
Correct . Taking the easy way of denying a narration doesn't help . When we read something and think it's cruel we should think "Am I understanding it right ? Maybe there's a reason for the mentioned act . Maybe there's another full narration while this one is a part of it . I should mind the context" . Islamophobes say "Muhammad killed the Jews of Madinah" ignoring the fact that those same Jews broke the treaty and intended to eradicate Muslims entirely .

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I said earlier that no country today follows the Shariah, ask any islamic scholar if you want.
I second that . Some countries might follow SOME of the Islamic law but there isn't any which fully applies it as it has been during the days of Khilafa .

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The translation of Sahih International is:
And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. (31:6)
So, it is quite important to read the entire verse. The word hadith is used there, but do you know that hadith can also mean a story etc. and not only sayings of our Prophet? And you can see clearly that it has nothing to do with the hadiths that we follow by reading the last sentence (Those will have a humiliating punishment.). So all the scholars, for 1400 years, all of them will have a humiliating punishment? It is clear that it is refering to something else. Please read the explanation (http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/31/index.html#sdfootnote6sym). Using those verses to reject the hadiths is ridiculous.
That's what I've been telling him for days and he keeps ignoring me ! Believe me , he'll just say "The verse is clear . You're dishonest" or something along the line as if you didn't just give him the source .

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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2014, 01:24:42 PM »
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There are a lot of books (not short videos) that use those types of hadiths to attack Islam, but that does not mean that we will hide behind the Quran and reject the hadiths.

Unfortunately, their attacks on hadiths are reasonable.

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Yes, the death penalty for apostates is in the hadiths (http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/of_course_apostates_should_be_killed). What we should do now is to defend the islamic law, the way it is and not to try to change it or to reject it in order to escape attacks from nonmuslims. There are many reasons why the penalty for apostasy is death.

NO! It is against the Quran to kill apostates

Let there be no compulsion in religion.. [2:256]

And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers? [10:99]

15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam.   Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

18:29 "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)

A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back. [3:72]

Read up on this topic.

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The same with violence against those people who draw the Prophet.

I know that, that's why I said it. What is so wrong with drawing in the prophet? Did the Quran say not to? It nothing more than a cultural nonsense. Allah is beyond this nonsense.

I understand that it is some kind of emotional issue, but to attack them for it? That is just wrong. Let's use our reason.

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The Prophet being a pedophile does not stem from hadiths. Yes, he was married to a nine yeas old

I doubt Aisha reached puberty at 9 years old. This problem definately stems from hadtihs as the Quran says no such thing.

As for the allegation that the Quran supports pedophilia, I dealt with this very subject and so did AnsweringChristianity.com. There is no such thing in the Quran.

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/age-of-marriage-in-islam.html

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I said earlier that no country today follows the Shariah, ask any islamic scholar if you want.

I agree no country follows Shariah to the fullest extent, but they follow some parts of Shariah in hadiths like death for apostates.

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The translation of Sahih International is:
And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. (31:6)
So, it is quite important to read the entire verse. The word hadith is used there, but do you know that hadith can also mean a story etc. and not only sayings of our Prophet? And you can see clearly that it has nothing to do with the hadiths that we follow by reading the last sentence (Those will have a humiliating punishment.). So all the scholars, for 1400 years, all of them will have a humiliating punishment?

I am baffled that you would go to such lengths...

Why do you think we refer to hadiths as Hadiths? Because they are hadiths (Amusement of speech). Secondly this verse is exactly warning us about those who uphold these baseless saying to mislead others from the way of Allah. That is exactly what the 'sahih' hadiths do and are.

No, those who followed the actual sayings of the prophet and experienced it themselves will not have a humiliating punishment because they weren't following 'hadiths' and their hadiths most likely did not contradict the Quran. That is a different problem. 

Secondly, you are assuming that scholars in the past have been following Hadiths in place of the Quran. That assumption itself comes from Hadiths! This information you got comes from hadiths. So this is circular reasoning on your part.

Allah has put this verse in their for a reason and the word that refers to the corrupted sayings of the prophet in modern types is hadith. You don't think we called them hadiths for a reason?

The argument can go like this if you didn't understand what I meant:

Premise 1: The Quran speaks of people who uphold baseless stories/amusement in speech to divert others from the path of God
Premise 2: Our 'sahih' hadiths are baseless stories/amusements in speech that do divert others from the path of God
Premise 3: Therefore this Quranic verse is referring to our hadiths

The only controversial premise is premise 2. In defense of premise 2, you have seen contradictions and corruptions in the sahih hadiths--you have seen them go against the Quranic teaching (in the example I showed in apostasy). So the conclusion follows from the premises.

Your issue is circular reasoning. The tafsirs use hadiths to interpret the Quran and you use that to say that I am wrong. That is the biggest no-no. I simply follow what that verse is saying through lexicons, word for word translations, and the context. Speaking of the context, look at the verse that comes right AFTER it.

Quran 31:7 And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he had not heard them, as if there was in his ears deafness. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.

I'm seeing a strong mirror to how the Quran says there is no punishment for apostasy and you rejecting those verses in favor of hadiths.

I also wanted to stress the absurdity of using hadiths or the past people's opinions to translate the Quran.

Quran 6:67 For every announcement there is a term, and you will come to know.
Quran 38:88 And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."

If there is a term for every tiding and a period of time in which the Quranic definition will be understood, then how could 7th century people know exactly what the verses are saying if they didn't live in the future times where the verses will be understood?

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With no intent to insult, what you said here is absolutely foolish. Are you saying to me that for 1400 years the Muslims were following something they shouldn't have followed?

Nope, I say they followed the real teachings and you follow the corrupted version of those teachings.

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This means that Allah could not save the teachings that He revealed.

The teaching Allah revealed is in the Quran. 

Note the words "all things" in 16:89 means all matters, big and small alike. The words "fully detailed" in 6:114 simply means that the Quran contains all the details. It is necessary here to explain exactly what is meant by saying that the Quran contains all the details. The followers of hadith claim that the hadith contains many details that are not to be found in the Quran. This is quite true, however the absence of these details from the Quran is not because the Quran is not fully detailed, but because these details were never decreed by God. The Quran contains all the details that are sanctioned by God and for which we will be held accountable to. The followers of hadith have a wide collection of books which they highly cherish and which contain all sorts of ridiculous details to say the least. The following verse includes a mockery and a warning against such acts of idolatry:

"Or do you have some book in which you are studying? Do you have in it whatever you choose?" 68:37-38

Consequently, and in accordance with 6:114 and other similar verses, all guidance will be derived from the Quran and nothing else.

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Do you know that by rejecting the hadiths, you are creating more problems?


The problems created by rejecting hadiths exist, sure, that does not in any way validate the acceptance of Hadiths. It is what it is. For example, if the evidence shows that a scientific theory is wrong, we are to reject it irrespective of the problems it creates.

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One last thing. Why Allah says that the Quran is in details, when it doesn't even explain to us how to pray?


Yes Allah Did. What you are implying is that Allah was contradicting himself in the Quran? No.

The Quran says that in the Prayers, it must involve a phase of standing, bowing and prostrating:

Standing:
You shall maintain the Salawaat and the Salat Al-Wusta, and stand devoutly before God." 2:238

Bowing and Prostrating:

"Muhammad-the messenger of God, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek God's blessings and approval" 48:29

" ...... Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons." 4:102

That is it. The Quran is simple on what you have to do. Now to ask for the details on exactly what to do in praying, would be like the Jews asking God exactly how to slaugher the cow. Remember why Chapter 2 of the Quran is called the Baqarah? The story is that Allah comanded the Jews to sacrifice a cow to show their faith in Allah swt. However, rather than complying they kept delaying and procrastinating and asking more and more and more questions until finally Allah swt commanded them to sacrifice a specific strong, beautiful cow, where as before any cow would have sufficed.

Allah just wants you to recite the Quran, stand,bow and prostrate. The specifics don't matter, just do it!

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By rejecting the hadiths, this is enough for a nonmuslim to destroy Islam entirely. But, look what a beautiful response comes when you accept the hadiths: http://muslim-responses.com/Is_the_Quran_Incomplete/Is_the_Quran_Incomplete_
And please take from your time to read these articles written by Bassam Zawadi (http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters). I hope it will help you to understand how illogical it is to reject the hadiths.

To destroy Sunni/Shia/Sufi/other nonsense Islam. Yes. Exactly. Again, irrespective of what hadiths do to please your version of Islam, hadiths stand un-authorative and corrupted. IT doesn't matter what will happen we reject them, you must reasonably conclude that the rejection of hadiths is best.
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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2014, 12:50:10 AM »
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I know that, that's why I said it. What is so wrong with drawing in the prophet? Did the Quran say not to? It nothing more than a cultural nonsense. Allah is beyond this nonsense.
In Arabic , we have a term for this . It's called دياثة "Dayatha" . If you're cold blooded and don't see any problem in insolence , we are not . Keep the cultural thing to yourself .

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I doubt Aisha reached puberty at 9 years old. This problem definately stems from hadtihs as the Quran says no such thing.
Have not I told you that you judge by your own personal liking ? What goes with your "flow" is reasonable and what doesn't is fabrication and corruption . Are you really going to embarrass yourself by going through this ? Because any medical source will tell you females reach puberty - in average - between 6 and 8 , let alone 9 . If you don't like it , then be mad at reality .


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I am baffled that you would go to such lengths...

Why do you think we refer to hadiths as Hadiths? Because they are hadiths (Amusement of speech). Secondly this verse is exactly warning us about those who uphold these baseless saying to mislead others from the way of Allah. That is exactly what the 'sahih' hadiths do and are.

No, those who followed the actual sayings of the prophet and experienced it themselves will not have a humiliating punishment because they weren't following 'hadiths' and their hadiths most likely did not contradict the Quran. That is a different problem.

Secondly, you are assuming that scholars in the past have been following Hadiths in place of the Quran. That assumption itself comes from Hadiths! This information you got comes from hadiths. So this is circular reasoning on your part.

Allah has put this verse in their for a reason and the word that refers to the corrupted sayings of the prophet in modern types is hadith. You don't think we called them hadiths for a reason?

The argument can go like this if you didn't understand what I meant:

Premise 1: The Quran speaks of people who uphold baseless stories/amusement in speech to divert others from the path of God
Premise 2: Our 'sahih' hadiths are baseless stories/amusements in speech that do divert others from the path of God
Premise 3: Therefore this Quranic verse is referring to our hadiths

The only controversial premise is premise 2. In defense of premise 2, you have seen contradictions and corruptions in the sahih hadiths--you have seen them go against the Quranic teaching (in the example I showed in apostasy). So the conclusion follows from the premises.

Your issue is circular reasoning. The tafsirs use hadiths to interpret the Quran and you use that to say that I am wrong. That is the biggest no-no. I simply follow what that verse is saying through lexicons, word for word translations, and the context. Speaking of the context, look at the verse that comes right AFTER it.

Quran 31:7 And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he had not heard them, as if there was in his ears deafness. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.

I'm seeing a strong mirror to how the Quran says there is no punishment for apostasy and you rejecting those verses in favor of hadiths.

I also wanted to stress the absurdity of using hadiths or the past people's opinions to translate the Quran.

Quran 6:67 For every announcement there is a term, and you will come to know.
Quran 38:88 And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."

If there is a term for every tiding and a period of time in which the Quranic definition will be understood, then how could 7th century people know exactly what the verses are saying if they didn't live in the future times where the verses will be understood?
Told you so , Ilir .
First of all and to show that you're completely shameless and don't have any kind of regret about lying , Hadith means "Talk" . That's what every person with common sense knows . If you don't believe that , you might believe Google translation :
https://translate.google.com.sa/?hl=ar&tab=wT#ar/en/%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB
So the whole "Idle of speech" is something you forged to support your false claims having no shame . Either that , or you got an F in Arabic class you said you're taking .
Secondly , saying "Hadith misleads people from the path of God , so I must be right" needs proving itself . And you can never prove that . So don't take it as a given and think we'll ignore your ways in twisting the conversation to what you desire .
And when you say "Secondly, you are assuming that scholars in the past have been following Hadiths in place of the Quran." , that's a blunt lie and a cheap shot . We keep telling you over and over that Quran is the first source of revelation and Sunnah is the second . And Osama wonders why I'm mad with you ?!
Then you rant "Allah has put this verse in their for a reason and the word that refers to the corrupted sayings of the prophet in modern types is hadith. You don't think we called them hadiths for a reason?" . And I say , enough with your fantasies . You're trying to twist the very language itself for your advantage and I'm telling you you're failing .
As for that pathetic argument you're numbering 1 2 3 , I told you . We won't let you take it as a given .
When you say you follow Quran in a word to word translation , I begin to think politics need to learn how to bluntly lie from you . And once again , we won't let you take it as a given that you're "Following Quran" . You don't know the first thing about it . And if I ask you about any part of it , you'll prove your ignorance as you have proved it and keep proving it day in day out . One example is when you claimed saying "Peace upon him" is a human innovation .
As for the sign in Surah of Luqman , that would be 100% you . We say in such cases "He accuses me of his disease and slips away" .
As for your pathetic argument of "Quran is fit for all times" . You're having a serious problem here . Quran is the one fit for all times . Quran doesn't CHANGE to fit the desires of misguided people of those times . No person , scholar or not , will agree with your twisted explanations .

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Nope, I say they followed the real teachings and you follow the corrupted version of those teachings.
And kids say Santa Claus exists . That doesn't prove them right by default .

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Yes Allah Did. What you are implying is that Allah was contradicting himself in the Quran? No.

The Quran says that in the Prayers, it must involve a phase of standing, bowing and prostrating:

Standing:
You shall maintain the Salawaat and the Salat Al-Wusta, and stand devoutly before God." 2:238

Bowing and Prostrating:

"Muhammad-the messenger of God, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek God's blessings and approval" 48:29

" ...... Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons." 4:102

That is it. The Quran is simple on what you have to do. Now to ask for the details on exactly what to do in praying, would be like the Jews asking God exactly how to slaugher the cow. Remember why Chapter 2 of the Quran is called the Baqarah? The story is that Allah comanded the Jews to sacrifice a cow to show their faith in Allah swt. However, rather than complying they kept delaying and procrastinating and asking more and more and more questions until finally Allah swt commanded them to sacrifice a specific strong, beautiful cow, where as before any cow would have sufficed.

Allah just wants you to recite the Quran, stand,bow and prostrate. The specifics don't matter, just do it!
Didn't I tell you Ilir ? Next time , you'll hear "Friday prayer is an innovation . There are only 3 prayers . You're dishonest !" . Your buddy here says we don't need to know how to pray . Just bowing and prostrating ! If that's not a serious issue then I don't know what it is .

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To destroy Sunni/Shia/Sufi/other nonsense Islam. Yes. Exactly. Again, irrespective of what hadiths do to please your version of Islam, hadiths stand un-authorative and corrupted. IT doesn't matter what will happen we reject them, you must reasonably conclude that the rejection of hadiths is best.
I'm saying it straight out , the only corrupted thing here is your mentality . I say it always and will say it again , we won't let you have your way . We won't let you take it as a given . Your cowardice in running away from trying to prove anything you say is matchless . Don't expect it to go "Hadith is corrupted , I'm right , end of the story" . Wither it's you or any other individual trying to misguide people , there's always someone to expose you for who you are .

Sure sure , now everything I said will be ignored and the whole drama of "You're emotional" continues because it's "Fitnah" . While changing the basic fundamental essences of doctrine is a friendly chit chat .

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Re: Do you guys see the problem with Islam?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2014, 04:04:09 AM »
Wont it be better if there was a NIV of Hadiths just like the Bible :P

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 07:18:34 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

Brother Mclinkin94, Islam is not a Quran-only religion.  The Holy Quran alone isn't, nor was it made to be, the Book that will give you all of the details of a Divine Command.  This is why we have the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  And all of this is mentioned in the Holy Quran:

[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

The Holy Quran gives a Command (ex: we have to Pray to Allah Almighty), and the Hadiths explain and detail how to Pray, when to Pray, what state one has to be in to Pray, and what type of Prayers there are:

1-  Prostration.
2-  Supplications.

Be careful of forcing your opinions on your beliefs, akhi.  It's a dangerous thing.  I've been through that route before.  Quran-onlys are empty.  Now this doesn't mean that we have to accept everything in the hadiths collections.  There are lies and blasphemies against the Holy Quran and the Prophet and Allah Almighty that exist in them, and I've written a post on this in the past:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1166.msg4047.html#msg4047

This is why what agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran.  And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.

To the reader, please visit the following link to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran that testify to the Holy Book's Divinity:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Are we allowed to speak when we fast?

Here is one simple example that will Insha'Allah show you how being a Quran-only is misleading and dangerous and confusing, and can never give you details nor straight Guidance:

1-  It is known that Muslims are Commanded by Allah Almighty to fast the Holy Month of Ramadan:

[002:185] The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.

2-  Now my question to you, are we allowed to speak when we fast?

[019:026] "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (God) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"

Wouldn't you agree with me that if it wasn't for the Sunnah in the Hadiths, this issue would be left for us to guess?  You can read more refutations to the Quran-only cult at, and all other Islamic cults, at:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Why am I seeing a "You're playing a game of (My scholars are better than yours)" argument coming up ?

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I would advise you, dear brother, to refer to scholars when it comes to the conditions of accepting or rejecting a hadith.

You see that's the core of the problem, akhi.  They're so false and exagurrating that no objective person could take them seriously.  They act as a pack of gangs when defending the hadiths.  I don't like to speak from emotions, but this is the Truth.  I already gave you the link above where we have lies and blasphemies in the hadiths.  I also get turned off when I read nonsense of this kind:

"Imam Bukhari memorized 600,000 Hadiths" (Source)

"Imam Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 Hadiths" (Source)

This is the kind of nonsense that you would say for bedtime stories, or the kind of garbage that shias spew from them lala land fabricated riwayaat (narrations).  It has no value in the world of knowledge and objectivity.  It belongs to the garbage.  This is why I say it again and again, what agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran.  And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.

And yes, after Bukhari and his students carefully filtered out the 600,000 hadiths, they still couldn't avoid having in their final copy the false narrations about monkies stoning an adulteress she-monkey??  There is clearly a consipracy in the hadiths.  And again, visit the link to see the lies and blasphmies that were put on the mouth of the Prophet and some of his companions in the hadiths.

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Osama Abdallah

 

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