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7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« on: July 21, 2016, 04:55:26 AM »
Salam Alaykum to everyone,

Regarding the verse 7 heavens  (which was interpreted to layers of atmosphere) and 7 earths as in layers.

Why is it that whenever i try to research it all i find is 5 layers and a whole bunch of "Rebuttals" claiming how it's a scientific error ?

Thank you.

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2016, 08:49:07 AM »
In addition,how can we confirm 100% that the moon split isn't what most people think it is ?

Are there scholars that also denied it happening ?

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 09:40:57 AM »
Hope I'm not irritating but lastly,didnt nasa refute the moon split claim ?

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 09:48:19 AM »
Hope I'm not irritating but lastly,didnt nasa refute the moon split claim ?

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Please speak your mind freely and thoroughly.  Your legitimate questions are NEVER irritating.  My answer is coming up, Insha'Allah....

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 12:01:49 PM »
 The seven Earths are not contradictory to science. No one said that the 7 Earths are the layers of the Earth. Scientists have discovered 3 planets which look like the Earth 500 light years away. Some might bring up the hadith which says that the 7 Earths have a distance of five hundred years (not light years) to refute the previous claim, but the hadith is very weak. For more read this:

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=82776

Second, I don't know what is contradictory between the 7 heavens and science. We don't know where the 7 heavens are.

Regarding the moon split:

It was a miracle that was preformed by our prophet (peace be upon him). Some Muslims (like Ahmad Farooq on this site) might claim that he didn't preform the miracle and that the hadith narrated from Abdullah ibn Massod is a weak hadith. But most scholars agree that the Prophet did indeed split the moon and the hadith from Abdullah ibn Massod is Mutafaqun Alaih  (agreed upon).

Some Muslims have brought up some pictures to prove the moon split, but they have been debunked by NASA. NASA didn't say anything about the moon split, buthe they only commented on the fake pictures which are used by some Muslims. It is a miracle, we shouldn't bring science in to it.

For more read this:

http://www.discoveringislam.org/splitting_of_moon.htm


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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 08:00:41 AM »
@Abdullah It was just stated that he split the moon but where does this one side here and one side behind a mountain using his fingers come from?

Was it a moon quake (during his time?) Or an eclipse or an actual split or what? Nothing makes sense

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2016, 10:58:43 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

No moon split happened.  It was a lie invented on the Prophet, and Allah Almighty confirmed that the moon wasn't split in the Glorious Quran.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/did_prophet_muhammad_split_the_moon_according_to_quran_and_hadiths.wmv
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm


As to the 7 earths, ARD in the Glorious Quran is both singular and plural.  Allah Almighty Said that He Created 7 Heavens and of the Earth like them, meaning that each Heaven has so many earths in it, and there are 7 Heavens each one containing so many earths in it similar to what we have in our Heaven:

www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm

And yes, our earth does have 7 inner layers, and 7 atmospheric layers.  They're all listed in the link, and are from Western sources.

As to other earths and humans beside us, don't forget that the Angels were very concerned when Allah Almighty wanted to create Mankind here on earth.  They were concerned about Allah Almighty placing those who will do evil and shed blood.  So they had bad experiences in the past long before we ever came to existence.  This further proves that there are other earths and humans beside us in the Universe.  For more details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ufo.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2016, 05:15:51 PM »
i think we should first works on a rule when reading the holy Qur'an about heavens and earth.  that everything is higher than you and you can fly in it is heavens or skies , everything that below you and you walk on/in/dig in it is earth or surface. so when Allah is saying about 7 heavens , we better find which is these 7 heavens that Allah  is talking about , 1- are they the skies of earth ? 2- or the skies of universe? 3- or else?. and when Allah is talking about the whole earth 1- is it the whole planet ? 2- the ground we are walking on ? 3- or else.?

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 09:08:12 AM »
The seven heavens refer to the seven heavenly bodies in ancient religions.

Back in those days, instead of planets, we had the "seven heavenly bodies":

Moon > Mercury > Venus > Sun > Mars > Jupiter > Saturn

When Muslims circumambulate the black cube seven times, they are in fact paying tribute to these seven heavenly bodies. Our days are named after some of these heavenly bodies:

Saturday - Saturn
Sunday - Sun
Monday - Moon
Wednesday - Venus
Thursday and Friday are named after the ancient deities "Thor" and "Frida", I don't remember where we get Tuesday from. However, this explains why Christians worship on Sunday, or the day of the Sun, as Jesus was the "light of the world" or the "risen savior".

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 10:54:08 PM »
The seven heavens refer to the seven heavenly bodies in ancient religions.

Back in those days, instead of planets, we had the "seven heavenly bodies":

Moon > Mercury > Venus > Sun > Mars > Jupiter > Saturn

When Muslims circumambulate the black cube seven times, they are in fact paying tribute to these seven heavenly bodies. Our days are named after some of these heavenly bodies:

Saturday - Saturn
Sunday - Sun
Monday - Moon
Wednesday - Venus
Thursday and Friday are named after the ancient deities "Thor" and "Frida", I don't remember where we get Tuesday from. However, this explains why Christians worship on Sunday, or the day of the Sun, as Jesus was the "light of the world" or the "risen savior".


 Are you Introvert18? Your theories are just like his. Anyways, Jupiter was not discovered until 1610.

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 02:30:30 AM »
The seven heavens refer to the seven heavenly bodies in ancient religions.

Back in those days, instead of planets, we had the "seven heavenly bodies":

Moon > Mercury > Venus > Sun > Mars > Jupiter > Saturn

When Muslims circumambulate the black cube seven times, they are in fact paying tribute to these seven heavenly bodies. Our days are named after some of these heavenly bodies:

Saturday - Saturn
Sunday - Sun
Monday - Moon
Wednesday - Venus
Thursday and Friday are named after the ancient deities "Thor" and "Frida", I don't remember where we get Tuesday from. However, this explains why Christians worship on Sunday, or the day of the Sun, as Jesus was the "light of the world" or the "risen savior".

Once again, visit the links that I gave above.  What you posted was from Greek Mythology.  We don't care about it and it is not original in anyway.  Besides, the days' names in Arabic are nothing about planets.  They are:

1-  Al-Ahad - The singular, the one, the beginning.
2-  Al-Ithnayn - the Dual.
3-  Al-Thulatha - The Triple.
4-  Al-Arbiaa - The Quadruple.
5-  Al-Khamees - the Quintuple.
6-  Al-Jumuah - The Gathering, the Group.  This is where Muslims pray the Jumuah Prayer in group.  It is mandatory upon all Muslims.
7-  Al-Sabt - Named after the Jewish Holy Sabbath that was decreed by Allah Almighty upon the Jews.

Nothing about planets here.  Your Greek Mythology is empty.  It doesn't disprove Islam.  And once again, the Glorious Quran's Claims about the Earth and the Atmosphere were scientifically proven to be Miraculous.

The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing on Islam.  I challenge you to refute the article that I gave you above.  I am waiting....

Take care,
Osama

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 04:24:46 AM »
The seven heavens refer to the seven heavenly bodies in ancient religions.

Back in those days, instead of planets, we had the "seven heavenly bodies":

Moon > Mercury > Venus > Sun > Mars > Jupiter > Saturn

When Muslims circumambulate the black cube seven times, they are in fact paying tribute to these seven heavenly bodies. Our days are named after some of these heavenly bodies:

Saturday - Saturn
Sunday - Sun
Monday - Moon
Wednesday - Venus
Thursday and Friday are named after the ancient deities "Thor" and "Frida", I don't remember where we get Tuesday from. However, this explains why Christians worship on Sunday, or the day of the Sun, as Jesus was the "light of the world" or the "risen savior".

Once again, visit the links that I gave above.  What you posted was from Greek Mythology.  We don't care about it and it is not original in anyway.  Besides, the days' names in Arabic are nothing about planets.  They are:

1-  Al-Ahad - The singular, the one, the beginning.
2-  Al-Ithnayn - the Dual.
3-  Al-Thulatha - The Triple.
4-  Al-Arbiaa - The Quadruple.
5-  Al-Khamees - the Quintuple.
6-  Al-Jumuah - The Gathering, the Group.  This is where Muslims pray the Jumuah Prayer in group.  It is mandatory upon all Muslims.
7-  Al-Sabt - Named after the Jewish Holy Sabbath that was decreed by Allah Almighty upon the Jews.

Nothing about planets here.  Your Greek Mythology is empty.  It doesn't disprove Islam.  And once again, the Glorious Quran's Claims about the Earth and the Atmosphere were scientifically proven to be Miraculous.

The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing on Islam.  I challenge you to refute the article that I gave you above.  I am waiting....

Take care,
Osama





 Calm down you are making us (the Muslims) look bad. Like I said before, his theory is dumb. Since Jupiter was not discovered until 1610 by Galilei who is an Italian astronomer. He was accused of heresy by the Christians because he suggested that the Earth moves around the Sun and he was punished heavily until his death after that.

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 06:48:49 AM »
In response to your "doomed to hell" remark, I do not base my beliefs out of fear or empty threats.

Are you Introvert18? Your theories are just like his. Anyways, Jupiter was not discovered until 1610.

Jupiter was known to Emperor Huan and Emperor Ling around 100-200 AD.

Source: De Crespigny, Rafe. "Emperor Huan and Emperor Ling" (PDF). Asian studies, Online Publications. Archived from the original (PDF) on September 7, 2006. Retrieved May 1, 2012. Xu Huang apparently complained that the astronomy office had failed to give them proper emphasis to the eclipse and to other portents, including the movement of the planet Jupiter (taisui). At his instigation, Chen Shou/Yuan was summoned and questioned, and it was under this pressure that his advice implicated Liang Ji."

The Romans named their deities after Jupiter.

Source: Stuart Ross Taylor (2001). Solar system evolution: a new perspective : an inquiry into the chemical composition, origin, and evolution of the solar system (2nd, illus., revised ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 208. ISBN 0-521-64130-6.

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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2016, 07:55:03 AM »
Please be advised that the seven layers listed in the Qur'an are in fact not talking about the layers of the atmosphere.

According to nasa.gov which is the ultimate authority on this matter:

"The Earth's atmosphere has four primary layers: the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, and thermosphere."

As for the layers within the atmosphere, there are six.


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Re: 7 heavens and 7 earths not true ?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2016, 08:31:12 AM »
Please be advised that the seven layers listed in the Qur'an are in fact not talking about the layers of the atmosphere.

According to nasa.gov which is the ultimate authority on this matter:

"The Earth's atmosphere has four primary layers: the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, and thermosphere."

As for the layers within the atmosphere, there are six.



 Thank you very much for bringing this up. I would also like to add that the Jews also believe in 7 heavens. Anyways, your theory is still absurd and pointless. The number 7 is a special number in most religions and even in the religions which predate the discovery of Jupiter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_(number)

Go to the religions section.

 

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