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Allah Not In A Place
« on: March 05, 2021, 12:57:15 PM »
Peace,
I have a question. Allah cannot be in a place because He is not limited by creation. I have some Verses to discuss in this case. Verse 4:158 of the Quran says that Allah raised Jesus to Himself. If Allah doesn't live in the Heavens (not a bald old man in Heaven), then what does this verse mean? It means he was raised to heaven but Allah is not living in Heaven? Also another verse 40:37 says that Firaun wanted to see Allah so he told Haman to build a tower up to Heaven? But Allah is not in Heaven?
 

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2021, 05:01:15 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Welcome to the board.  Prophet Isa is probably in the world of BARZAKH.  This is where all of our souls will rest in till the Day of Judgment.  But I could be wrong.  We do not know the detailed answer.  The answer belongs to the world of unknown regarding where exactly Isa is now:

"They ask thee concerning the Spirit, say it is by the Command of my Lord, and little of knowledge was given to you" (Quran, 17:85)


WAFAT is the state when we die.  It is also the state when we go to sleep.  Allah Almighty told Prophet Isa that Allah Almighty MUTAWFEEK (derived from wafat).  So he could be in a state of WAFAT right now.  Or he could be in the Bliss of Heaven.  Heaven also exists as we speak.  There are Beings currently in Allah Almighty's Heaven right now.  So he could be there as well.  Only Allah Almighty knows.

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2021, 06:23:53 PM »
But Allah says that He raised Jesus to Himself. Not that Jesus is in Heaven or in the state of barzakh right? This makes it sound like Jesus is in the same place as God and not Heaven. But that is complete blaspheme because no one can be as high as God? So what is this verse really saying? Also how about when Pharoah told Haman to build a tower to see God? Perhaps Moses told Firaun that Allah is High and Firaun misinterpreted that as Allah is in Heaven? I dont know.

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2021, 10:24:37 PM »
‏4:158 بل رفعه الله اليه وكان الله عزيزا حكيما

[004:158]  God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise.


There is no SELF (nafs) here.  Allah raised him to Him (the Almighty) اليه.  That remains unknown to us as to where.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2021, 11:25:51 AM »
Sorry but what do you mean by there is no nafs?

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2021, 06:45:48 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2021, 06:56:18 PM »
NAFS means self.  Allah Almighty did not use this word in the NOble Verse.  He only used Elayh (to Him).

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2021, 11:46:10 PM »
I get that Jesus’ self or nafs was not mentioned in the verse. But what’s your point? How does that answer my question that this verse sounds strange given that Allh’s not in a place?

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2021, 06:42:00 AM »
I was referring to Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty raised Jesus to Him.  Not Himself.  The translation is wrong because the word nafs (self) is not there in "to Himself".

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2021, 07:42:01 AM »
Ok i got that now. But how do you deal with the Pharoah verses?

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2021, 04:55:21 AM »
What are the Pharaoh verses?

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2021, 08:02:29 AM »
It is 40:37 as i said in the beginning of the post. Where Pharoah wants to see Moses' God so he commands Haman to build a tower up to the heaven. But Allah does not stay in Heaven?

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2021, 11:03:35 AM »
[040:037]  "The ways and means of (reaching) the heavens, and that I may mount up to the God of Moses: But as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" Thus was made alluring, in Pharaoh's eyes, the evil of his deeds, and he was hindered from the Path; and the plot of Pharaoh led to nothing but perdition (for him).

Allah Almighty is quoting Pharaoh here.  No one can reach Allah Almighty.  Also, Allah Almighty said that we won't be able to pass through space except when we have Sultan (mighty authority and power).  The space travel Prophecy is detailed in the Glorious Quran at:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.mp4 (By Sheikh Yusuf Estes)
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_and_lack_of_oxygen.mp3
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links



It is in the corrupt Bible that GOD became concerned that the Babylonians were going to reach Him with their mighty tower:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_scientific_absurdities.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2021, 11:05:35 AM »
Yeah but like where did pharoah get this idea from in the first place that Allah is up in the sky?

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Re: Allah Not In A Place
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2021, 09:00:51 PM »
So now how about this question.

 

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