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Challenge by a Christian
« on: June 01, 2015, 05:54:21 AM »
Assalam alykam this is a challenge by a christian


Challenge to all muslims on planet earth including, apologists, scholars, and allah himself!
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed. (Sahin Muslim ,Book #043, Hadith #7182)
1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? It is like saying that evil spirits repent and become godly especially when jinns are devils(Sahih Muslim Book #039, Hadith #6757), of course this is nonsense and cannot happen. Did they recite the Shahada? If yes then prove your point with reference. If there is no reference then allah is a liar because NO ONE can become a muslim unless he recites the Shahada.
2- What about the muslim jinns? Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies? Prove your claims with reference. If not then allah is lying again because everything that is worshiped besides allah will be in hell, Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come. If these had been gods they would not have come thither, but all will abide therein. 21:98-99
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Conclusion: Since Quran says that anyone who becomes a muslim will go to paradise and have sex with houris and since Quran also says that those whom worshiped(21:98-99) will be in hell.
If we use Quranic standard then we find a clear contradiction because Jinns "became muslims" and they were "still worshiped ". In another sense Jinns cannot have sex with houris and burn in hell "AT THE SAME TIME".

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Re: Challenge by a Christian
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2015, 06:44:26 AM »
I need a really good response for this because the person is gloating  big time

like he is the man and

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Re: Challenge by a Christian
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2015, 07:17:23 AM »
Assalam alykam this is a challenge by a christian


Challenge to all muslims on planet earth including, apologists, scholars, and allah himself!
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed. (Sahin Muslim ,Book #043, Hadith #7182)
1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? It is like saying that evil spirits repent and become godly especially when jinns are devils(Sahih Muslim Book #039, Hadith #6757), of course this is nonsense and cannot happen. Did they recite the Shahada? If yes then prove your point with reference. If there is no reference then allah is a liar because NO ONE can become a muslim unless he recites the Shahada.
2- What about the muslim jinns? Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies? Prove your claims with reference. If not then allah is lying again because everything that is worshiped besides allah will be in hell, Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come. If these had been gods they would not have come thither, but all will abide therein. 21:98-99
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?
Conclusion: Since Quran says that anyone who becomes a muslim will go to paradise and have sex with houris and since Quran also says that those whom worshiped(21:98-99) will be in hell.
If we use Quranic standard then we find a clear contradiction because Jinns "became muslims" and they were "still worshiped ". In another sense Jinns cannot have sex with houris and burn in hell "AT THE SAME TIME".

Reply exactly like this :PPP


Oh no! U have exposed Islam!! U are the great genius!! Ow Em Giii :D

Anyway...

Go read chapter 72 in the quran named  Surat Al-Jinn if you're so interested in "learning" anyway. :)

('There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups each having a different way (religious sect, etc.).) So, are they all "devils"? :)

Who says Jinns are just "spirits"? What is your claim that they can't have physical bodies? The only thing, I know, is that Jinss can disguise themselves and are unseen to us. I don't think they can be seen, or if they can be seen, I don't think they show their "true" body.

Anyway, I bet u're the one that claims a man is God, right? Or better yet, he is his own son? Or no, a better saying; "He created everything including himself, just to "die" for YOUR sin." And he is also "The Living God" "Lord" Son of God" "Son of Man" "Mediator, a man, for humankind" "Servent of God" "Lamb of God"...

Who entitles a Man so much contradictory titles anyway? Yeah, naive christians :P

And for the sex part, what is so hard to understand? Maybe they will have "physical" bodies, maybe they will be spirits? Maybe spirits can have sexual intercourse too, but not like men? They are created out of fire, we out of mud. This doesn't mean they are a walking flame, and we are a walking mud? How does mud have sex? :)



Let us ask you a question.

IS jesus god? Is jesus the son of god? Or is jesus the messiah?
Is jesus equal to God in the Godhead Bodily? Is he equal to the holy ghost/spirit? Are they all equal? Or is one more equal?


(Nor I am apologist or scholar, just a simple man, having limited knowledge of quran. I'm pretty sure better answers are on their way so wait for them.)

Aleykum Es selaam.
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Re: Challenge by a Christian
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2015, 09:04:02 AM »

1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? I
2- Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies?
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?

Talking about the unseen activities, the Holy Spirit  did not appear in physical form but the spirit simply fruit divine seed inside the womb of Mary to create a flesh for the Word whom later will be known as Jesus.

So in actual fact Jesus is Son of the Holy Spirit. But since Holy Spirit is equal to Father the Creator whom has equal status under Godhead to all 3 entitties and equal to Word who is Jesus himself. Jesus is actually Son of Himself.

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Re: Challenge by a Christian
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2015, 10:23:21 AM »
ALLAH CREATED HUMAN & JINN  FOR WORSHIP TO HIM ALONE(THEY R ONLY HAVE SOUL ,THAT IS THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW OF THEIR CREATOR FOR THEIR ETERNAL SALVATION)

51:56. And I (Allâh) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).

3:108. These are the Verses of Allâh: We recite them to you (O Muhammad SAW) in truth, and Allâh wills no injustice to the 'Alâmîn (mankind and jinns).

17: 88. Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'ân, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

Muslim :: Book 37 : Hadith 6631
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There are one hundred (parts of) mercy for Allah and He has sent down out of these one part of mercy upon the jinn and human beings and the insects and it is because of this (one part) that they love one another, show kindness to one another and even the beast treats its young one with affection, and Allah has reserved ninetynine parts of mercy with which He would treat His servants on the Day of Resurrection.

PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) PROPHET OF HUMAN/JINN & QURAN THEIR SCRIPTURES:

25: 1. Blessed be He Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Qur'ân) to His slave (Muhammad SAW) that he may be a warner to the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns).
21: 107. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
69:43. This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
60:43. This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
32:2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'ân) is from the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists) in which there is no doubt! 3. Or say they: "He (Muhammad SAW) has fabricated it?" Nay, it is the truth from your Lord, that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you (O Muhammad SAW), in order that they may be guided.
10: 37. And this Qur'ân is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allâh (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurât (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).
26: 192. And truly, this (the Qur'ân) is a revelation from the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists),
56:80. A Revelation (this Qur'ân) from the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
81: 27. Verily, this (the Qur'ân) is no less than a Reminder to (all) the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) .
28. To whomsoever among you who wills to walk straight,


THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF JINN 1) MUSLIM JINNS 2)NON MUSLIM JINNS(SHAITHAN,IBALIS & DEVIL PART OF IT)

Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 385
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.
Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 19 :: Hadith 177
Narrated Ibn Abbas:

The Prophet I prostrated while reciting An-Najm and with him prostrated the Muslims, the pagans, the jinns, and all human beings.

Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 902
Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) neither recited the Qur'an to the Jinn nor did he see them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) went out with some of his Companions with the intention of going to the bazaar of 'Ukaz And there had been (at that time) obstructions between satans and the news from the Heaven, and there were flung flames upon them. So satan went back to their people and they said: What has happened to you? They said: There have been created obstructions between us and the news from the Heaven. And there have been flung upon us flames. They said: It cannot happen but for some (important) event. So traverse the eastern parts of the earth and the western parts and find out why is it that there have been created obstructions between us and the news from the Heaven. So they went forth and traversed the easts of the earth and its wests. Some of them proceeded towards Tihama and that is a nakhl towards the bazaar of 'Ukaz and he (the Holy Prophet) was leading his Companions in the morning prayer. So when they heard the Qur'an. they listened to it attentively and said: It is this which has caused obstruction between us and news from the Heaven. They went back to their people and said: O our people, we have heard a strange Qur'an which directs us to the right path; so we affirm our faith in it and we would never associate anyone with our Lord. And Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed to His Apostle Muhammad (may peace be upon him):" It has been revealed to me that a party of Jinn listened to it" (Qur'an, lxxii. 1).


Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7182,7183
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported in connection with the words of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious:" Those to whom they call upon, themselves seek the means or access to their Lord as to whoever of them becomes nearest" (xvii. 57) that it related to a party of Jinn who were being worshipped and they embraced Islam but those who worshipped them kept on worshipping them (though the Jinn whom the misguided people worshipped had become Muslims). It was then that this verse was revealed.

muslim Jinn listen the quran and agreed it true:

72: 1. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinns listened (to this Qur'ân). They said: 'Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Qur'ân)!
2. 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allâh).
3. 'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).
4. 'And that the foolish among us [i.e. Iblîs (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against Allâh that which was wrong and not right.
46: 29. And (remember) when We sent towards you (Muhammad SAW) Nafran (three to ten persons) of the jinns, (quietly) listening to the Qur'ân, when they stood in the presence thereof, they said: "Listen in silence!" And when it was finished, they returned to their people, as warners.
30. They said: "O our people! Verily! We have heard a Book (this Qur'ân) sent down after Mûsa (Moses), confirming what came before it, it guides to the truth and to a Straight Path (i.e. Islâm).
31. O our people! Respond (with obedience) to Allâh's Caller (i.e. Allâh's Messenger Muhammad SAW), and believe in him (i.e. believe in that which Muhammad SAW has brought from Allâh and follow him). He (Allâh) will forgive you of your sins, and will save you from a painful torment (i.e. Hell-fire) .
32.  And whosoever does not respond to Allâh's Caller, he cannot escape on earth, and there will be no Auliyâ' (protectors) for him besides Allâh (from Allâh's Punishment). Those are in manifest error.
Dawud :: Book 1 : Hadith 84
Jin accepts Islam:
Muslim :: Book 26 : Hadith 5559
Abu Sa'id Khudri reported Allah's Messenger having said: There is a group of jinns in Medina who accepted Islam, so he who would see anything from these occupants should warn him three times; and if he appears after that, he should kill him for he is a satan.
Muslim :: Book 26 : Hadith 5557 ,5559
Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7182,7183,7184
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 239


non muslim jinn Evil/shaithan/ibalis enemy of all good:

8: 48. And (remember) when Shaitân (Satan) made their (evil) deeds seem fair to them and said, "No one of mankind can overcome you this Day (of the battle of Badr) and verily, I am your neighbour (for each and every help)." But when the two forces came in sight of each other, he ran away and said "Verily, I have nothing to do with you. Verily! I see what you see not. Verily! I fear Allâh for Allâh is Severe in punishment."
35: 5. O mankind! Verily, the Promise of Allâh is true. So let not this present life deceive you, and let not the chief deceiver (Satan) deceive you about Allâh.
6. Surely, Shaitân (Satan) is an enemy to you, so take (treat) him as an enemy. He only invites his Hizb (followers) that they may become the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
8. Is he, then, to whom the evil of his deeds made fair¬seeming, so that he considers it as good (equal to one who is rightly guided)?...........
35: 32. Then We gave the Book the Qur'ân) for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose ……….
36: 60. Did I not ordain for you, O Children of Adam, that you should not worship Shaitân (Satan). Verily, he is a plain enemy to you.
36: 62. And indeed he (Satan) did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did you not, then, understand?
38: 82. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "By Your Might, then I will surely mislead them all,
41:25. And We have assigned them (devils) intimate companions (in this world), who have made fair-seeming to them, what was before them (evil deeds which they were doing in the present worldly life and disbelief in the Reckoning and the Resurrection, etc.) and what was behind them (denial of the matters in the coming life of the Hereafter as regards punishment or reward, etc.). And the Word (i.e. the torment) is justified against them as it was justified against those who were among the previous generations of jinns and men that had passed away before them. Indeed they (all) were the losers.
43: 37. And verily, they (Satans / devils) hinder them from the Path (of Allâh), but they think that they are guided aright!
43: 62. And let not Shaitân (Satan) hinder you (from the right religion, i.e. Islâmic Monotheism), Verily, he (Satan) to you is a plain enemy.
58: 19.  Shaitân (Satan) has overtaken them. So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allâh. They are the party of Shaitân (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaitân (Satan) that will be the losers!

AND LAST THINGS JINN SAYS " SHAHADHA" & " SEX WITH HOORIES " ,ETC...........WE MUSLIM BELIEVE THE JINN BEC'S THE ABOVE VERSES FROM THE QURAN & HADITH ,THAT THE ONLY PURE AUTHORITY OF SOURCE FROM THE ALMIGHTY GOD,THE MAJOR PART OF THE JINN WORDS DETAIL ALLAH KEPT AS GHAIB(UNSEEN), WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THESES THINGS FROM OUR PHYSICAL SENSE ORGANS & POWERS,BEC'S WORLD OF JINN IS BEYOND OUR PHYSICAL CAPACITY..............

ALLAH THE SUPREME CREATOR OF UNIVERSES ONLY KNOW THE GHAIB (UNSEEN)

6: 59. And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.
11: 123. And to Allâh belongs the Ghaib (unseen) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him return all affairs (for decision). So worship Him (O Muhammad SAW) and put your trust in Him. And your Lord is not unaware of what you (people) do."
27: 65. Say: "None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen) except Allâh, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected."
34: 48. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily! My Lord sends down Inspiration and makes apparent the truth (i.e. this Revelation that had come to me), the All¬Knower of the Ghaib (unseen).
39: 46. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O Allâh! Creator of the heavens and the earth! All-Knower of the Ghaib (unseen) and the seen. You will judge between your slaves about that wherein they used to differ."
33: 2. He knows that which goes into the earth and that which comes forth from it, and that which descend from the heaven and that which ascends to it. And He is the Most Merciful, the Oft¬Forgiving.
3. Those who disbelieve say: "The Hour will not come to us." Say: "Yes, by my Lord, it will come to you." (Allâh, He is) the All¬Knower of the unseen, not even the weight of an atom (or a small ant) or less than that or greater, escapes from His Knowledge in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a Clear Book (Al-Lauh Al¬Mahfûz).
34: 48. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily! My Lord sends down Inspiration and makes apparent the truth (i.e. this Revelation that had come to me), the All¬Knower of the Ghaib (unseen).
40: 19. Allâh knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the breasts conceal.
18. Verily, Allâh knows the unseen of the heavens and the earth. And Allâh is the All-Seer of what you do.
53: 30. That is what they could reach of knowledge. Verily, your Lord it is He Who knows best him who goes astray from His Path, and He knows best him who receives guidance.
59: 22. He is Allâh, than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
62: 8. Say (to them): "Verily, the death from which you flee will surely meet you, then you will be sent back to (Allâh), the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen, and He will tell you what you used to do."
64: 2. He it is Who created you, then some of you are disbelievers and some of you are believers. And Allâh is All-Seer of what you do.
64: 4. He knows what is in the heavens and on earth, and He knows what you conceal and what you reveal. And Allâh is the All-Knower of what is in the breasts (of men).
64: 18. All-Knower of the unseen and seen, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
65: 12. It is Allâh Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His Command descends between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allâh has power over all things, and that Allâh surrounds (comprehends) all things in (His) Knowledge.
 
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Re: Challenge by a Christian
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2015, 12:19:29 PM »

1- How can unseen jinns convert to Islam? I
2- Will they have sex with houris in paradise or will they be deprived of houris? If they will have sex with houris then will they have physical bodies?
3- Who believes this crap except naive muslims?

Talking about the unseen activities, the Holy Spirit  did not appear in physical form but the spirit simply fruit divine seed inside the womb of Mary to create a flesh for the Word whom later will be known as Jesus.

So in actual fact Jesus is Son of the Holy Spirit. But since Holy Spirit is equal to Father the Creator whom has equal status under Godhead to all 3 entitties and equal to Word who is Jesus himself. Jesus is actually Son of Himself.


Are you serious that Jesus, God (Father the creator) and Holy spirit are equal??

(KJV)
Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven according to the bible. But not to the Holy Ghost.
This makes the Holy Ghost "above" the Son of Man... according to bible...

Authors of the NT most of time claim such as: jews said: xxx.
They are writing what jews are saying, if jesus said these, why is there NO such speech in the bible where jesus is directly quoted?

Bring me a verse from the bible where jesus says:
I'm equal to god and the spirit. a direct quote of him.




(I think I understood you wrong :D I thought u were a christian claiming something about the holy ghost etc)
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