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Offline muzi123

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« on: November 28, 2012, 04:04:42 PM »
i was watching bbc documentry about islam and 1 guy said tht jesus forgave adulterous and muhammad pbuh ordered them to be stoned to death  and my brother asked me this question 2 so astagfurrilah but people will think jesus is better role model hw do u refute them

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Re: muhammad pbuh and jesus pbuh
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 04:27:26 PM »
Al-salamu alaykum dear brother, thank you for question.

Please allow me to answer.

The story of Isa ibn Maryam a.s. when he forgave adulterous in bible is a forgery. If you do not believe then watch this: http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/forged.htm
there is not a single authentic book in bible, all are anonymous!

by the way if this story of Isa ibn Maryam a.s. is true and really happened, then
Isa a.s. broke the laws of Old Testament! Do you think that a prophet can break the law of God? Surely no!

In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.[19] Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”[20]
In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.

http://www.leveltruth.com/truetojesus.com/articles.html

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 04:52:19 AM »
convicting someone of adultery is next to impossible in islam.
see this awesome video  http://muhaddith.org/islamicvideos/stoningmuslimadulterytodeath.html

and of course, even if someone ran away during the stoning, he is to be left alone
People are encouraged to conceal their sin
Pregnancy cannot count for conviction
and these are just things the video didnt mention

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Re: muhammad pbuh and jesus pbuh
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 02:36:40 PM »
Yet they conveniently forget that the Prophet kept turning away from the adulterer 4 times in an effort to make the man go away and repent yet the adulterer insisted. What was the Prophet PBUH supposed to do? And like zulfiqar said its next to impossible to convict an adulterer. Did you know in the ottomans 600(?) year history only ONE person got convicted of adultery? And theres a hadith which i cant fully remember but along the lines of 'Do not take a man's previous actions or piousness into account except if its a capital punishment. Find any possible leaway if you can'.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 01:16:42 PM »
To prove one of my points:
that even if someone ran away during the stoning, he is to be left alone
This is the hadith
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: “Ma`iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (SAW) and said: 'I have committed fornication,' and he (the Prophet (SAW)) turned away from him. He said: 'I have committed fornication,' and he turned away from him. Then, he said: I have committed fornication, and he turned away from him, until when he had confessed four times, he ordered that he should be stoned. When he was being struck with the stones, he ran away, but a man caught up with him who had a camel's jawbone in his hand; hestruck him and he fell down. The Prophet (SAW) was told about how he fled when the stones hit him and hesaid: 'Why did you not let him be?'” (Sahih)

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 12:07:24 PM »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,
There is no law in Islam except that there exists great wisdom behind it. If you will let somebody who committed adultery to do whatever they like and just forgive them, it won't make any difference, right? They'll do it again. If somebody steals, in Islam, we cut off that person's hand to save the rest. I'm sure the same person won't dare to steal again. If you're going to forgive him, he'll do it another hundred times. The same thing is with adultery; you do something that might harm one individual to save the whole community, whereas if you were to forgive every time, you'll be saving one individual and threating the whole community. Even the story of Prophet Musa (peace and blessings be upon him) and Al-Khadr, mentioned in Suratul-Kahf, is a good example.

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 12:06:25 PM »
In Islam, there an adulterer is stoned, but he cannot be islamically proven that he committed adultery. therefore its a symbolic sentence, which shows how vile and wicked adultery is without enacting the cruel punishment, because people make mistakes, and because people could get falsely accused. It has been proven that this decreases adultery (and fornication), not out of fear by punishment, but out of respect for others.

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2012, 01:03:43 PM »
please I gave the answer. the bible is a forgery DOT

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2012, 12:23:46 AM »
Peace Be Upon You Dear Readers,

Jesus didn’t forgive adultry. Please read the story carefully in the Bible:

John 8:10 Then Jesus lifting up himself said to her: Woman, where are they that accused thee? Hath no man condemned thee?
        8:11 Who said: No man Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go and now sin no more


She simply didn’t meet the criteria for punishment. There were no witnesses.

Why didn’t Jesus just forgive her before asking about the witnesses?

We know that in Islam, if one had condemned an adultery the punishment would be on the witness not the adulterer. We need 4 witnesses for the act of adultery.

And even if there were 4 witnesses, our religion does not encourage us to testify against the adulterers but rather going and advising the two adulterers not to.

If the adulterers denied the act then the punishment would be on the four witnesses.


Moslem

 

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