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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 22, 2021, 04:35:36 PM »
You will not find two who agree on which abrogates which in the Glorious Quran, and on the amount of verses that are abrogated.  Every quack barks his conjecture.  All of those who bark abrogation are either quacks or liars that fabricate lies on the Holy Quran.  There is no abrogation in the Quran.  Period.  It was a lie that was invented by infidels.

As to Prophet Muhammad forgetting Noble Verses, that is normal for a flesh and blood human being.  The Glorious Quran is made of 6236 Noble Verses.  Prophet Muhammad didn't have all of them memorized.  The preservation of the Quran was thorough and complete by the companions and family of the Prophet.  Please visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

As to ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا , this is referring to the women (lesbians or not) who commit lewdness.  Lewdness includes adultery.  It is broader.  Here if they repent (not go back to it again after being found guilty and convicted), then they are to be set free ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا .  Otherwise, they are to be locked up till death comes upon them.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/homosexuals.htm


Again, there is no abrogation.  The adultery punishment is specific between a man and a woman, and it is limited to SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.  Otherwise it would be LAMAM (like kissing and touching before actual sex), which is a lesser crime than ZINA (sexual intercourse).  This LAMAM falls under lewdness.  In a nutshell, there are levels and degrees to sexual sinning.  They're not all the same.



Women's Temptations and Corruption:

I personally believe that Allah Almighty has placed this Law of locking them up till death if they're caught again is to prevent women from prostituting and spreading evil in the lands.  Women are forbidden from dressing sexy and showing off their curves and temptations.  Islam stops them at their tracks from defiling the land with their filth.  A woman is expected to be pious, chaste and the pinnacle of chastity and modesty.  Prostitutes and filthy temptations have no place in Muslim society.

Most Western women and men have great respect towards Muslim women, who dress modest and are chaste.  A woman in the West is nothing but a walking vagina, breasts and butt.  Like one guy once said, put a pillow on her face and "f her"; meaning who gives a two cents rats ass about how she feels and what she has to say.

A Muslim woman is truly dignified and is treated with best dignity and respect, and she is the best woman to produce and raise societies, especially in raising daughters.  Non-Muslim women are treated like harlots, and are viewed as harlots, which are (again) nothing but walking sexual objects to test drive.  The overwhelming majority of them have been test driven by many men, each.  Such quality is garbage.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 21, 2021, 02:26:08 PM »
For point 1, now I dont understand how this is abrogation anymore. One is about money and the other is about marriage. I just don't understand why muslim scholars say this is an abrogation. So this one is solved.

For point 2, the points are cleared. But I just want to know what you mean by this Verse is talking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Jibreel. But now I understand that this Verse is just signifying Allah's power and has nothing to do with the Quran.

For point 3, however, I don't understand why Allah would say    ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا (Or God ordains another way for them)"
​Don't these words sound like Allah will later abrogate this ruling? (Like 24:2)? I mean I believe there is no abrogation in the Quran, and if there is no abrogation in the Quran, this ruling MUST only refer to lesbians because it is a different punishment for straight (man-woman) adultery as 24:2 declares. So please try to describe to me why Allah would say "or God ordains another way for them" if there is no abrogation.

Thank you so much.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Holy Quran says matter is real
« Last post by Emre_1974tr on May 15, 2021, 11:17:47 AM »
6:7 And if We had sent down to you a book already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say: "This is but clear magic!"

If we look at other signs other than the clear meaning of this verse; Does it mean that you insist on accepting all these realities as an illusion and illusion, even though we clearly present you physical things that you can perceive with your buyers?

52:13 The Day they will be called into Hell, forcibly:

52:14 "This is the Fire which you used to deny!"

52:15 "Is this magic, or do you not see?"

Again, apart from the first clear meaning of this verse, if we are to do brain training; You have always called the world of matter a dream, an illusion, now taste the torment of the fierce fire and see if matter is real or is it illusion? Could it also contain an indirect warning in its sense?

52:44 And if they see a portion from the heaven falling, they will say: "Piled clouds!"

54:2 And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "Ongoing magic!"

In these verses, apart from their first meanings, can it be a warning for those who see the world of matter as an illusion and try to deny its reality by saying that there are "energy fluctuations piled up in the origin of matter" or something?

6:30 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said: "Is this not the truth?" They said: "Yes, by our Lord," He said: "Then taste the retribution for what you have rejected."

Again, in this verse, the first and real sense of the disappointment of the unbelievers as a result of their religious denial is described. But again, if we are to do brain training other than the first meaning of the verses,  that those who thinks worls is a illusion despite all their proof of the material world be criticized indirectly.

As I said, the reason I wrote all these verses is just to exercise the mind. In any case, no one can say "this is the following" for the secondary and tertiary meanings of the verses. Those who say are in error.

However, some verses directly give us the information that matter-creatures are real:

46:3 We did create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except, with the truth, and for an appointed time. And those who disbelieve turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.


In his verses, Allah states that He created as "truth".

In addition, in some of his verses, he swears on the creatures he created. For example:

95:1 By the fig and the olive.

95:2 And the mount of ages.

95:3 And this land of peace.


Our Lord does not swear on a dream. The truth is that he swears on them.


In short, the belief that "everything is a game of our perceptions, in fact matter is just a dream" that the Spiritualist/New Ageist doctrine tries to impose on people is not true.

(from my Turkish article with machine translation)

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/madde-de-gercektir.html
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Jazakum Allah Khayr, brothers.  Likewise to you and your families, insha'Allah.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Abrogation
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 14, 2021, 05:33:18 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Abrogation means contradiction.  There is no abrogation in the Glorious Quran.  It was a lie invented by infidels and ignorant.  Here are the Noble Verses in question:

[002:240]  Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence; but if they leave (The residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Before dividing the inheritance, the Widow has the right to remain in her residence for 1 full year with full maintenance financial support from the deceased man's wealth.


[002:234]  If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And God is well acquainted with what ye do.

Here a widow must wait four lunar months and ten days before she can marry again.  Two different Noble Verses with two different topics and two different rulings.


As to part 2, it is Allah Almighty's Will to have us remember and forget things.  This has nothing to do with the preservation of the Glorious Quran.  The Noble Verse was speaking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Angel Gabriel how to read the Glorious Quran.  The Quran's preservation was primarily the responsibility of Angel Gabriel. 

As to "this prompted scholars to say that this verse is about man-woman adultery".  No it is not limited to man and woman (opposite genders).  The Noble Verses do include and are talking about homosexuals.

Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm#no_abrogation
https://www.answering-christianity.com/abrogation.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/homosexuals.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/adultery.htm



Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Abrogation
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 14, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »
Assalamu Alaykum everyone,
I was reading the Quran and when I reached quran 2:240 which says, "Those of you who die leaving widows should bequeath for them a year’s maintenance without forcing them out. But if they choose to leave, you are not accountable for what they reasonably decide for themselves. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise," guess what happened. The footnote mentioned our enemy, abrogation, was supposed to eat this verse but forgot because this ruling was replaced by 2:234. 2:234 says, "As for those of you who die and leave widows behind, let them observe a waiting period of four months and ten days. When they have reached the end of this period, then you are not accountable for what they decide for themselves in a reasonable manner. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do."

Two different rulings. One says if a husband dies then the will is that wives will be provided for a year. The other one says to observe a waiting period of 4 months and ten days and then do whatever they want. Also for the 2:240 verse, the wife can do whatever she wants whenever but the 2:234 verse says to wait for 4 months and ten. And know most scholars believe that 2:234 abrogated 2:240. But there is supposed to be no abrogations! That is 1 part of this question.

Part 2 Surah A'ala Verses 6-7 say, "We will have you recite ˹the Quran, O  Prophet,˺ so you will not forget ˹any of it˺, unless Allah wills otherwise. He surely knows what is open and what is hidden."Why did it say "unless Allah wills otherwise?" The footnote is saying that this means God will make the Prophet forget abrogated rulings. But there should be no abrogations!

Part 3 This is about 4:15-16, which you claim refer to lesbians and gays. "˹As for˺ those of your women who commit illegal intercourse—call four witnesses from among yourselves. If they testify, confine the offenders to their homes until they die or Allah ordains a ˹different˺ way for them. And the two among you men who commit this sin—discipline them. If they repent and mend their ways, relieve them. Surely Allah is ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful."

"Or Allah ordains a different way for them," this prompted scholars to say that this verse is about man-woman adultery and that this verse was going to be abrogated because Allah will ordain a different way. They believed this verse was abrogated by 24:2, which talks about flogging 100 times the adulters. But there is supposed to be no abrogation, so can you explain why it says "Or Allah ordains a different way for them" and why this verse is actually referring to homosexuals and not man-woman adultery?

Please, please address and answer each part

Jazakumullah Khayran
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Happy Eid. Hope you have  feast/eid forever.
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Eid Mubarak.
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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

I would like to wish a blessed and happy Eid to all Muslims all around the world, insha'Allah.  Eid Mubarak to you and to your families.  May Allah Almighty show all of you with His Guidance and with an abundance of Blessings.  Ameen.

Your brother in Islam,
Osama Abdallah
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Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi.  I ordered the book and insha'Allah will receive it in two days and start diving into it.  Christianity is indeed a false religion that just kept evolving and modifying.  Even its name is man-made.  The people of Antioch made it up. 
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