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« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 21, 2021, 02:26:08 PM »
For point 1, now I dont understand how this is abrogation anymore. One is about money and the other is about marriage. I just don't understand why muslim scholars say this is an abrogation. So this one is solved.

For point 2, the points are cleared. But I just want to know what you mean by this Verse is talking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Jibreel. But now I understand that this Verse is just signifying Allah's power and has nothing to do with the Quran.

For point 3, however, I don't understand why Allah would say    ​" اَوْ يَجْعَلَ اللهُ لَهُنَّ سَبِيْلًا (Or God ordains another way for them)"
​Don't these words sound like Allah will later abrogate this ruling? (Like 24:2)? I mean I believe there is no abrogation in the Quran, and if there is no abrogation in the Quran, this ruling MUST only refer to lesbians because it is a different punishment for straight (man-woman) adultery as 24:2 declares. So please try to describe to me why Allah would say "or God ordains another way for them" if there is no abrogation.

Thank you so much.
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« Last post by Emre_1974tr on May 15, 2021, 11:17:47 AM »
6:7 And if We had sent down to you a book already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say: "This is but clear magic!"

If we look at other signs other than the clear meaning of this verse; Does it mean that you insist on accepting all these realities as an illusion and illusion, even though we clearly present you physical things that you can perceive with your buyers?

52:13 The Day they will be called into Hell, forcibly:

52:14 "This is the Fire which you used to deny!"

52:15 "Is this magic, or do you not see?"

Again, apart from the first clear meaning of this verse, if we are to do brain training; You have always called the world of matter a dream, an illusion, now taste the torment of the fierce fire and see if matter is real or is it illusion? Could it also contain an indirect warning in its sense?

52:44 And if they see a portion from the heaven falling, they will say: "Piled clouds!"

54:2 And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "Ongoing magic!"

In these verses, apart from their first meanings, can it be a warning for those who see the world of matter as an illusion and try to deny its reality by saying that there are "energy fluctuations piled up in the origin of matter" or something?

6:30 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said: "Is this not the truth?" They said: "Yes, by our Lord," He said: "Then taste the retribution for what you have rejected."

Again, in this verse, the first and real sense of the disappointment of the unbelievers as a result of their religious denial is described. But again, if we are to do brain training other than the first meaning of the verses,  that those who thinks worls is a illusion despite all their proof of the material world be criticized indirectly.

As I said, the reason I wrote all these verses is just to exercise the mind. In any case, no one can say "this is the following" for the secondary and tertiary meanings of the verses. Those who say are in error.

However, some verses directly give us the information that matter-creatures are real:

46:3 We did create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except, with the truth, and for an appointed time. And those who disbelieve turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.

In his verses, Allah states that He created as "truth".

In addition, in some of his verses, he swears on the creatures he created. For example:

95:1 By the fig and the olive.

95:2 And the mount of ages.

95:3 And this land of peace.

Our Lord does not swear on a dream. The truth is that he swears on them.

In short, the belief that "everything is a game of our perceptions, in fact matter is just a dream" that the Spiritualist/New Ageist doctrine tries to impose on people is not true.

(from my Turkish article with machine translation)
Jazakum Allah Khayr, brothers.  Likewise to you and your families, insha'Allah.
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on May 14, 2021, 05:33:18 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

Abrogation means contradiction.  There is no abrogation in the Glorious Quran.  It was a lie invented by infidels and ignorant.  Here are the Noble Verses in question:

[002:240]  Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence; but if they leave (The residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Before dividing the inheritance, the Widow has the right to remain in her residence for 1 full year with full maintenance financial support from the deceased man's wealth.

[002:234]  If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And God is well acquainted with what ye do.

Here a widow must wait four lunar months and ten days before she can marry again.  Two different Noble Verses with two different topics and two different rulings.

As to part 2, it is Allah Almighty's Will to have us remember and forget things.  This has nothing to do with the preservation of the Glorious Quran.  The Noble Verse was speaking about Prophet Muhammad learning from Angel Gabriel how to read the Glorious Quran.  The Quran's preservation was primarily the responsibility of Angel Gabriel. 

As to "this prompted scholars to say that this verse is about man-woman adultery".  No it is not limited to man and woman (opposite genders).  The Noble Verses do include and are talking about homosexuals.

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Take care,
Osama Abdallah
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 14, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »
Assalamu Alaykum everyone,
I was reading the Quran and when I reached quran 2:240 which says, "Those of you who die leaving widows should bequeath for them a year’s maintenance without forcing them out. But if they choose to leave, you are not accountable for what they reasonably decide for themselves. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise," guess what happened. The footnote mentioned our enemy, abrogation, was supposed to eat this verse but forgot because this ruling was replaced by 2:234. 2:234 says, "As for those of you who die and leave widows behind, let them observe a waiting period of four months and ten days. When they have reached the end of this period, then you are not accountable for what they decide for themselves in a reasonable manner. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do."

Two different rulings. One says if a husband dies then the will is that wives will be provided for a year. The other one says to observe a waiting period of 4 months and ten days and then do whatever they want. Also for the 2:240 verse, the wife can do whatever she wants whenever but the 2:234 verse says to wait for 4 months and ten. And know most scholars believe that 2:234 abrogated 2:240. But there is supposed to be no abrogations! That is 1 part of this question.

Part 2 Surah A'ala Verses 6-7 say, "We will have you recite ˹the Quran, O  Prophet,˺ so you will not forget ˹any of it˺, unless Allah wills otherwise. He surely knows what is open and what is hidden."Why did it say "unless Allah wills otherwise?" The footnote is saying that this means God will make the Prophet forget abrogated rulings. But there should be no abrogations!

Part 3 This is about 4:15-16, which you claim refer to lesbians and gays. "˹As for˺ those of your women who commit illegal intercourse—call four witnesses from among yourselves. If they testify, confine the offenders to their homes until they die or Allah ordains a ˹different˺ way for them. And the two among you men who commit this sin—discipline them. If they repent and mend their ways, relieve them. Surely Allah is ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful."

"Or Allah ordains a different way for them," this prompted scholars to say that this verse is about man-woman adultery and that this verse was going to be abrogated because Allah will ordain a different way. They believed this verse was abrogated by 24:2, which talks about flogging 100 times the adulters. But there is supposed to be no abrogation, so can you explain why it says "Or Allah ordains a different way for them" and why this verse is actually referring to homosexuals and not man-woman adultery?

Please, please address and answer each part

Jazakumullah Khayran
Happy Eid. Hope you have  feast/eid forever.
Eid Mubarak.
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

I would like to wish a blessed and happy Eid to all Muslims all around the world, insha'Allah.  Eid Mubarak to you and to your families.  May Allah Almighty show all of you with His Guidance and with an abundance of Blessings.  Ameen.

Your brother in Islam,
Osama Abdallah
Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi.  I ordered the book and insha'Allah will receive it in two days and start diving into it.  Christianity is indeed a false religion that just kept evolving and modifying.  Even its name is man-made.  The people of Antioch made it up. 
« Last post by Qualities of Allah on May 03, 2021, 12:46:59 PM »
Wa Alaykumu Assalam brother Osama.
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