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Offline karim fattah

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Mental ilness
« on: September 15, 2017, 01:26:36 PM »
Asslamau alaikum

How do we reapond to people who say muhammad suffered fdom illnesses like epilepsy, acromegaly, narcisistic personality disorder etc.

And give this as evidence:
disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s.  It causes impotence, while it increases libido.  This explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex.  He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied.  His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives.  He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them.  Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent.  Muhammad's illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.


Narrated by Anas:
The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind." (Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 14)

Muhammad was an orphan.  Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood.  He then passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him and spoiled him.  Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience.  He fantasized about unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his ideas and plans.  He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when rejected, even killing those who deserted him.  He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations.   When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying.  His problem was that he could not distinguish reality from fantasy. 

He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules.  This explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules. 

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Re: Mental ilness
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 02:38:29 PM »
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Asslamau alaikum

How do we reapond to people who say muhammad suffered fdom illnesses like epilepsy, acromegaly, narcisistic personality disorder etc.

And give this as evidence:
disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s.  It causes impotence, while it increases libido.  This explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex.  He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied.  His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives.  He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them.  Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent.  Muhammad's illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.

What's the proof of this crap?


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Narrated by Anas:
The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind." (Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 14)

I couldn't find this hadith anywhere. Apparently it's just another blatant lie.

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Muhammad was an orphan.  Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood.  He then passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him and spoiled him.  Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience.  He fantasized about unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his ideas and plans.  He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when rejected, even killing those who deserted him.  He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

Two word. Prove it.


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Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations.   When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying.  His problem was that he could not distinguish reality from fantasy. 

He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules.  This explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules. 

You're suffering from ignorance. You think that I wouldn't recognize a non-Muslim with his blatant lies?

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Re: Mental ilness
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 02:38:16 PM »
Sometimes certain disingenuous authors draw conclusions beforehand and start searching, high and low, for evidence to support those conclusions. What is being done in these arguments is that several accusations with a lot of accompanying rhetoric are mentioned and then to prove all of them just one supporting "evidence" is presented insincerely cherry-picked from the entirety of Muslim scripture.

This can be observed in the first paragraph, using the event of the Prophet visiting his wives. However, the following testimony which directly contradicts the author's conclusions is ignored:

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... `Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet (ﷺ) could."
Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/6/7

Regarding the veil for wives of the Prophet, those special rules came to them because of their special status in the society as the hypocrites could have found opportunities to tarnish their characters and thereby hurt Islam in that particular society. Additionally, from what I've read, there were instances that when wives of the Prophet used to go to the fields to relieve themselves, some among the malicious non-Muslims would move towards them and when they got caught, used to make the excuse that they mistook them for their women. For such cases, the veil was introduced, so that those individuals wouldn't have any excuse, and to even be killed if they tried such tactics again.

Furthermore, Allah through the Qur'an gives the wives of the Prophet, the choice to either remain with him and be subject to a special lifestyle (involving additional restrictions) or to leave the Prophet. As the authors of such anti-Islam arguments believe that the Prophet himself authored the Qur'an, they have to accept that the Prophet himself mentioned such allowances. This would directly contradict the accusations of paranoia, insecurity, and jealousy.

Regarding the quoted narration, it is an actual Bukhari narration (https://sunnah.com/bukhari/2/8). I personally don't see much issue with it, as how are the people supposed to follow the Messenger of God's commands and sacrifice their personal interests if they give preference to their spouses, or their parents, or their children, or their worldly material belongings over God and His Prophet?

The next paragraph presents an extraordinary amount of assumptions as fact, without providing any supporting evidence. "Spurned by his mother", "loveless childhood", "who took pity on him", "spoiled him", "not receiving love", "not receiving discipline", "narcissistic personality disorder", "bereft of conscience", "fantasized about unlimited power", "expected praise and admiration", "took advantage of others", "jealous", "extremely hurt when rejected", "killing those who deserted him", "lied", "deceived", "entitled and justified in doing so".

While all may be traits of narcissistic personality disorder, evidence has not been presented to prove that they were the Prophet's traits. A lot of accusations are made, but it would've been more beneficial if more content was spent on actually proving those assertions than on simply enumerating them.

The next paragraph suffers from the same fault i.e. of no supporting evidence. Furthermore, if the Prophet's brain and psychology was so susceptible that he would accept mundane environment influences as signs of extraordinary, supernatural divinity - then why was this susceptible-ness absent in arguably the most significant supernatural event (for which everyone was a witness to) of his lifetime i.e. the day of the solar eclipse.

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Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba:
"The sun eclipsed in the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the day when (his son) Ibrahim died. So the people said that the sun had eclipsed because of the death of Ibrahim. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The sun and the moon do not eclipse because of the death or life (i.e. birth) of someone. When you see the eclipse pray and invoke Allah."
Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/16/4


The Prophet's alleged vulnerable mind should have quickly and automatically made the connection that a divine power had darkened the mighty Sun, in sorrow and consolation over his son's death.

Regarding the Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) allegation, see my replies here http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2598.msg12726.html#msg12726.

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Re: Mental ilness
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 01:22:05 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Ahmed, for the thorough answers.  I wanted to add for the reader that if they still think that Islam was made by a person, then you should try to refute the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

The doomed-to-Hell infidels confuse and blind each other from seeing the Truth.



Brother Proud Muslim, I was able to find the Hadith that you thought was a lie in this link:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/2/

I am not sure if "love" feelings can be controlled.  Like I can't control if I love one person more than another.  These are things that are earned in the heart.  The Hadith is a lone one with weak chain of narrators.  It could be a fabricated one, especially that we find similar statement from Jesus in the Bible:

Matthew 10:37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Or it could that "love" here means a different kind of love.  Not the love that one would have for his immediate family, such as parents, siblings, wife and children.  The levels of love for these also vary.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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