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« on: February 09, 2013, 01:42:47 PM »
OK first, it's sad that your leaving bro, but if thats what you want, then please go for it, and although our views on somethings differ, i believe we can consider ourselves brothers in religion.
2nd i think their is a difference between "worshiping" and "worshipping".
Peace bro, and have good life, in a good way :).

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Kill all the polytheists!
« on: February 08, 2013, 11:13:02 AM »
Why doesn't this guy mention verses 7-13 and 36.
This is perhaps the best arguement for verse 5.

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Kill all the polytheists!
« on: February 07, 2013, 03:30:08 PM »
You are giving the classical 9: 5 islamophobia arguement, which is a clear example of all the arguments the produce, and also a clear example of cherry picking and taking things pout of context, here are just a few points to refute your ridiculous areguement:
1. Verses 1-4 says to uphold your treaties with the non believers
2. verse 6 says to give shelter to non combatant polytheists (AND GIVE THEM PROTECTION, EVEN IF THEY STILL DISBELIEVE)
3. verses 7-10 & 13 clearly show that this is against treaty breakers and people who attack you first

However, i must say some critisisms for muslims, most muslims (at least the ones i have encountered) will probably say that this verse was revealed in a time of war and only that, and although that is true, you should also show my three points above, because even without that context, it shows that in the own quran, you are not allowed to attack peaceful non believers,

PS dear canadian atheist
Dont even thing of bringing the old islamophobic arguement of 9: 29
because the same arguements that goes for t=verse 5 goes for verse 29, in addtion tht later verses such as 34 & 36 show that it is only used to liberate oppressed people or to fight defensively.
Even if your a non-muslim, dont act as an Islamophobe

It is a theory.
And remember, there are MANY prophet's not mentioned in the Quran.
Buddha did teach the Golden Rule, peace, among many other things.

Did not the 1st Islamic Caliph, Abu Bakr fight the apostates because they wanted to changed the laws of Zakat and leave Islam?  They had several groups and several purposes.  Also, does not satan himself also believe that GOD Almighty is One?  Is satan now a
No, it wasn't because they left Islam that they attacked, it was becuase there armies, especially sajah's were advancing and planning to capture Medina, the muslim capital, not paying taxes were also a motive, the apostate army was at of dhu Husssa, next medina, before abu bar even thoughto of attacking them.
there is freedom to leave islam

POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 05, 2013, 01:04:12 AM »
I am a sunni that doesnt agree with shias that abu bakr, umar, uthman, and aisha, etc. were non muslims, although they did make mistakes. But I agree that (at least) some shia who dont worship the "family of the house" are muslim. yet i agree that Abu Bakr, umar, Utham, Ali are all caliphs who ruled they best they can, they wre great men and, dispite their faults, great rulers,, so i disagree with some sunnis who say "he shouldn't have ruled", like mr. Abdullah.

SUNNI-SHIA DEBATE! / Re: Congratulations Br. Osama Abdullah
« on: February 04, 2013, 12:41:57 PM »
Im an Arab from Saudi Arabia
and im sorry Mr. Abdullah for going of topic.

SUNNI-SHIA DEBATE! / Re: Br. Osama Abdullah is the biggest hypocrite
« on: February 04, 2013, 12:14:36 PM »
Ataturk was just a political figure, like any in his time
To those who say he was a western puppet
remember that he, violently, expelled the Greeks, French, Armenians, British, and italian from Turkey and saved it from occuation
to those who say he was a hero and perfect
remember that he was a heavy drinker and even crticised himself for it
ps, that greeting is arabic for welcome, (hos geldiniz) . it could also be used for hello.

SUNNI-SHIA DEBATE! / Re: Br. Osama Abdullah is the biggest hypocrite
« on: February 04, 2013, 10:26:17 AM »
Merhaba Koray
That happened according to my sources
ataturk saved the prophet's grave
he also gave statements as such
he was for religion and possibly a muslim himself, at least culturally muslim, at most a semi-practising one, he praised prophet muhammad (PBUH) a number of times. he said something like "if i were to die, may name will slowly be erased from history book, but his name will go on forever"
He did also established a branch in government to "protect islamic interests".
yet he was against religion in public life and politics,

POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 10:07:47 AM »
How does it contradict verse 9: 56
here is the verse
Sahih International
And they swear by Allah that they are from among you while they are not from among you; but they are a people who are afraid.
Muhsin Khan
They swear by Allah that they are truly of you while they are not of you, but they are a people (hypocrites) who are afraid (that you may kill them).
And they swear by Allah that they are in truth of you, when they are not of you, but they are folk who are afraid.
Yusuf Ali
They swear by Allah that they are indeed of you; but they are not of you: yet they are afraid (to appear in their true colours).
And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you).
Dr. Ghali
And they swear by Allah that surely they are indeed of you, and in no way are they of you; but they are a people who are terrified.
Although there are conflicts between Yusuf ali's and Muhsin Khan's (i generally support yusuf ali more, im an arab but i would recomment him and Pickthall to a none arabic speaker), my point still stands.

« on: February 04, 2013, 09:46:26 AM »
I must tell you that Hitler was most DEFINITELY a christian, he advocated something called positive christianity.
and although i agree he wasn't a christian acording to the almost everyone's else's definition, he was on his own.

« on: February 04, 2013, 09:38:42 AM »
dear adnaanshaikh195
I thnk your misunderstood me
i Did not say sihr doesnt exist
i just said that we should translate in to to magic
perhaps witchcraft or black sorcery would be better, with an emphasis on the "black", since "magic" could be the childish 'pull a rabit out of the hat" or harry potter.

I believe they refer to rewards for different things give you a different number of blessings based on your deed.

Although they also follow they quran, the druze are actually a branch of of islam, similar to judaism and christianity

« on: February 02, 2013, 05:15:42 PM »
Magic here is probably not the proper translation for Sihr, you could probably even catagorize the miracles of prophet's or even magic tricks, such as pulling a rabit out of a hat as magic.
I think the proper translation should be witchcraft or devilcraft or black magic, im  not sure which is the right term in english because im not a native english speaker, so you know that it is associated with the devil.
But what you mean by "poisoning our children's minds"?
If you mean those entertaining tv kid shows movies or books like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, I thnk they are there for teh sole lurpose of entertainment, I agree with with Tanveer and There is Only One God in the fact there is no such thing as magic, as in people are born can do certain extraordinary things, or by saying certain words you can do things, however, there os such thing as devilcraft, by which you mock and humuliate islam and destroy it by collaborating with the devil himself and the DEVIL will do the work, not you, thatis the difference between devilcraft and magic.
It is also impossible to know if someone is collaborating with the devil, only God can know, thats why most people who are executed for sorcery are innocent, many in saudi.
I am a fan of magic tricks by means such as optical illusions.

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