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The emblem used for Islam: Satan has his ways....
« on: April 11, 2015, 11:40:59 AM »
Assalamu alaikum bro Osama,

Recently I've been thinking about the symbol used for Islam (A crescent moon and a 5 pointed star) and I realized something.

Look at the past and present mythologies. The greek goddess of moon and hunting, Artemis, who was known as Diana in roman mythology; both are drawn with crescents on their heads. The hindu god shiva has a crescent on his head. Even the pagan arabian god hubal had a crescent on his head. So see, satan has his ways !

The mark they use for Islam, was invented neither by the prophet pbuh nor by any of his companions may ALLAH be pleased with them. So who gave the foul inventor of this symbol the right to make up an emblem for Allah's religion??

Aisha (R) reported, Rasulullah pbuj said, "He who innovates things in our affairs which is invalid, they are to be rejected." (Muslim, Kitab al Aqdiyya, chapter 6)

Narrated Ibn Sariyah...

........He (the prophet) then said, "I enjoin u to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it be an Abyssinian slave, for those of u who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly guided caliphs. Hold to it and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error."
(Abu Dawud pdf, hafith no. 4590)

Actually this symbol was invented in Turkey. Many bidats came from that place.

I guess u know about red cross and red crescent.  The organization's emblem was at first a red cross. Then the Turkeys brought the red crescent emblem for 'muslim use'. Read this:

The Red Cross flag is the colour-switched version of the Flag of Switzerland. In 1906, to put an end to the argument of Turkey that the flag took its roots from Christianity, it was decided to promote officially the idea that the Red Cross flag had been formed by reversing the federal colours of Switzerland, although no clear evidence of this origin had ever been found. [13]

THE RED CRESCENT

The Red Crescent emblem was first used by ICRC volunteers during the armed conflict between the Ottoman Empire and Russia (1877–1878). The symbol was officially adopted in 1929, and so far 33 Islamic states have recognized it.


(from http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement)

(And read in wikipedia that israel wanted a 'red david's star' too but was rejected :P)

So the crescent is an alternative for the cross, huh? The christians have a nice emblem, why shouldn't we have one too?

And then satan thought, "Well, I can't take them back to paganism, but surely I can resurrect the pagan symbol I have been using for thousand years!"

(I am not mocking the red cross organisation here, I am just talking about why the emblem changed)

Almost every mosque has now this emblem. And what hurts me the most is that they included this symbol on the prophet's grave.

I wont say that this symbol is shirk, but it surely is evident bidat. Why would we need an emblem anyway? Just because the enemies of Allah have emblems of their own doesnt mean we should have one too. "We are muslims"- that's enough for us to represent ourselves.

And the idea of having an emblem is not the only thing muslims adopted from other religions. Things like rosary beads (known as Tasbi), pendants with Allah's name, birthday, armlets; are also adopted things, which the Prophet didnt use or perform..and so bidat.

Another fitna with this symbol is that the infidels use it to support their claim that muslims worship a moon god. NAUZUBILLAH.

Bro Osama do u have any artcles about this emblem? I think I saw one about the pendant with Allah's name.

Please reply soon and beware of bidats !!
Tahmeed
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 02:08:50 PM by Tahmeed »

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2015, 02:59:32 PM »
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Another fitna with this symbol is that the infidels use it to support their claim that muslims worship a moon god. NAUZUBILLAH.

The moment you saw they claim such thing, tell them their logic is also telling them that Jews are worshipping star god as such emblem can be seen on synagogues.

And since Pauline Christians says they and Jews are like bros/sis due to them worshipping the same god of Jews that is the star god.
We can see that Christian Greek books have shown that they have faith in fallen morning star god/Lucifer/Helel. But then again, there exist some  Christian sect that claim morning star god is actually referring to Satan and not their true star god.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2015, 05:09:32 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Did you know that not only the moon is nothing holy in Islam, but in the Bible holy things have to be done because of the new moon.  Read what he Bible says at:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_god.htm

So the next time some polytheist trinitarian pagan says that we Muslims worship the moon because we use it in mathematical calculations to determine time, then tell him that he is then declaring that his Bible is a book that commands worshiping of the moon as god.

Also, visit the following article to see the SACRED BLACK STONES in the Bible:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone.htm

Again, the black stone is NOTHING SACRED in Islam, but see what the Bible says about the Holy Stones.  And while you're at it, also visit the following link about the Kaaba and what the Bible says about prostrating to GOD Almighty in the direction of His Temple:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/kaaba.htm

We Muslims bow to Allah Almighty in the direction of His Holy Temple, the Kaaba.  See how the Bible not only 100% supports this, but it actually predicted the Holy House of GOD Almighty to be established in Arabia.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2015, 12:42:53 AM »
Walaikumus salam brother Osama and submit,

My point was not actually about their claim that Allah is a moon god but the emblem they use for Islam. Using this emblem to support the foul claim has no sense because muhammad sm didn't recommend such an emblem. But why should we give them the chance?

But as u have taken up the point, I will say something about that.

Think about it. There were many jew christians in arabia in muhammad's time. If Allah was truly a pagan god why didn't they complain? (as they say they are monotheists!) Abdullah bin Salam (R) was a former jewish scholar. Why didn't he say, 'Muhammad, the real name of God is not Allah, it should be Yehweh, Allah is a pagan moon god'? ???

The arabs worshipped Allah as the highest God, not a silly moon god. The Quran testifies this.

[43:87] If you ask them Who created them, they will say, 'Allah,.

Also read verse 10:31 and verse 29:63

If this verses were wrong, the pagans would surely complain, "Muhammad, what are you saying? we don't say Allah is the supreme god, he is a moon god!" But they didn't say such things.

And jajakAllahu khair brother submit for the star god example, I didn't know that. I just knew that the christians worship sun god horus (thanks to the canadian atheist :P, May Allah guide him to Islam).

May Allah, the one true God, be with us all

Tahmeed


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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2015, 06:56:34 PM »
Assalamu alaikum dear Bro Osama,

I read your article about the kaaba. It's very good mashAllah. But Bro, I think I didn't saw this verse in the article. I just read it and I hope it will be useful inshAllah.

Ezra 10:1

No while Ezra was praying, and while he was confessing, weeping and bowing down BEFORE THE HOUSE OF GOD..........

Allah Hafiz,
Tahmeed
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 03:21:50 AM »
Salam 3alaykum brothers and sisters,

As far as I know, that symbol was adopted by the Ottomans while under the leadership of Ataturk.

Ataturk the Zionist, alcoholic infiltrator, who hated Islam with a vengeance.

Islam does not permit the use of Emblems or symbols.

Salam

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Re: The emblem used for Islam: Satan has his ways.....
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 02:52:57 PM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brothers,

Salam 3alaykum brothers and sisters,

As far as I know, that symbol was adopted by the Ottomans while under the leadership of Ataturk.

Ataturk the Zionist, alcoholic infiltrator, who hated Islam with a vengeance.

Islam does not permit the use of Emblems or symbols.

Salam

That's damn true, brother Tarek !! JajakAllahu khair, And thanks for the information. Is this kamal ataturk pasha, the person I hate most??

Now back to my topic. Perhaps some of the brothers are thinking that this emblem is nothing that dangerous. So I'm gonna make some illustrations this time.

But first of all, brothers and sisters, I need to make one thing very clear. If you think I am doing this to proof that Islam has a pagan origin (Nau'zubillah)....YOU ARE BADLY MISTAKEN. I am saying again and again that Muhammad SAW didn't show such emblem nor did the rightly guided caliphs. So this has absolutely NOTHING to do with true Islam

THE EMBLEM USED FOR ISLAM: SATAN HAS HIS WAYS.......

See this picture carefully.

This is a picture of a harranian moon deity from 2200 BCE. What's over the head?? The present emblem used for Islam (Though the star has more arms) !! (ASTAG-FIRULLAH)

And this is the picture of ottoman flag with the emblem, the one brother Tarek was talking about.


So either the ottomans adopted this emblem from persians who were once 'fathers of paganism', or just satan used his special symbol he had been using for thousand years, a he planned to insert this pagan symbol in Allah's true religion; ISLAM.

And brothers and sisters, satan plans for thousand years, and he has his ways!

It was prophesied in hadiths that muslims will little by little return to paganism and past ignorance. It's happening everywhere!! Almost every mosque's entrance is adorned with this pagan symbol.

Rasul SAW said that shirk comes more silently than an ant!!

And look, our so called scholars have no headache regarding this pagan symbol.

If you indeed want a symol for Islam, is the official seal of prophet muhammad SAW too bad for that? How about this one?



Question: Your showing that the emblem was the symbol of some harranian moon deity proves nothing. The pagan Arabs also considered the black stone holy. So is it a pagan thing? What if this harranian symbol has something to do with Islam, and later people used this for their moon deity?

Answer: You are making a mistake here. The fact about the black stone and the fact about this symbol are not the same.

Black stone and kaaba are originally Islamic. The kaaba was built and the black stone was placed by Ibrahim PBUH. Later, pagans housed their gods in the kaaba. But as the kaaba and the black stone are originally Islamic, Prophet Muhammad SAW restored the hajj and kissing the black stone.

Thus, he restored many practices which were originally Islamic, but later had been adopted by pagans. He came to restore original Islam. So if the foul symbol had something to do with Islam, wouldn't he restore it? Can you show me one hadith were he recommended such a thing? Rather, I can show the two hadiths I quoted before which says about new inventions like this pagan symbol.

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Aisha (R) reported, Rasulullah pbuj said, "He who innovates things in our affairs which is invalid, they are to be rejected." (Muslim, Kitab al Aqdiyya, chapter 6)

Narrated Ibn Sariyah...

........He (the prophet) then said, "I enjoin u to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it be an Abyssinian slave, for those of u who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly guided caliphs. Hold to it and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error."
(Abu Dawud pdf, hafith no. 4590)

May Allah save us from all kinds of shirks and the deception of satan the deceiver.

And brother Osama, if you agree with me in these points and I hope you will InshAllah, you need to raise mass awareness about this (If you don't have any articles yet. :P) May Allah greatly reward you for your great work!!

Tahmeed
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2015, 02:51:53 AM »
Shukran brother Tahmeed and may Allah bless you.

Brothers and sisters,

You should really study the occult symbols and emblems to know what we are really standing against.

Even the cross it dates back to ancient Egyptian time. The Nazi Swastika is another occult symbol... Everything is occult related. And by Occult I mean dealing with the Jinns, black magic.

These are the people waging an image and a ground war on Islam. The more they fight Islam, the more I embrace it.

They have infiltrated us at the highest levels.

ALL our Arab/Muslim leaders are their pawns.

Ataturk, the beloved father of modern turkey, was a Dönmeh Jew. He introduced that Symbol. When Ataturk Recited Shema Yisrael "It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed

A raging alcoholic with an agenda to desecrate Islam in Turkey. It was during his reign that Turkey became a secular nation. And now the unsuspecting Turks love him.. Thanks to the propaganda of the shadow government who brought him into power the first time.

This is how it works. The shadow government elects someone, and they allow him to climb the ladder to the top. They make him into a father figure (just like they did with Assad in Syria) and he destroys the country from within.

Salam brother and sisters

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Re: The emblem used for Islam: Satan has his ways....
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2015, 12:32:58 AM »
Thanks brother, i always thought that our emblem is star and moon because of Ramadan. But now i think our emblem is the one in Saudi Arabia Flag لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2015, 01:04:44 AM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brother Tarek and Uzair,

JajakAllahu dear bro Tarek for those informations about that Tagut (Atatuk).

And may Allah bless you for your understanding dear brother Uzair.

I also thought that we can use 'La ilaha illAllah......' or the picture I showed, 'Allah, rasul, muhammad' as our emblem instead of that pagan mark. I guess that won't be any sin (Allah knows best).

But have you thought about the results of using those writtings or the seal as an emblem? The christians love burning things to dishonor Islam.>:( Every christian and bloody 'Islam-hating infidel' will burn at least one emblem each day. But we are not like those ******* as we respect the people of the Books. Does any of us want to see the sacred name of Allah SWT and the name of  His beloved prophet SAW burning?

Actually there is very little need of an emblem. But we can use the emblems you or I have shown only in special cases and not very often.

May Allah bless you and all the muslims in this world,
Tahmeed
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2015, 03:06:49 AM »
You are welcome brothers and sisters.

I remember, like 10-15 years ago, there was a website called "famous Jews" and guess who was listed on it?

Yes, the Father of "Modern" and Secular Turkey. It was later on removed...

Just try to fathom, brothers and sisters, how old and cruel this conspiracy against Islam is.

Ataturk is one of thousands..

No Arab/Muslim leader will ever climb the echelon unless that "group" looks favorably on you. Unless you implement THEIR agenda.

In my opinion, the last true Muslim Hero, the one I admired all my childhood and forever will, is the Martyr, Omar Al Mukhtar... May God bless him!

How do you tell who is fake and who is genuine?

Do a quick comparison... Omar Al Mukhtar was poor, lived in a tent, was the first to charge into battle, fought till his early 70s, and died bravely as Martyr at the hands of the enemy... He was publicly hanged..

Take another Arab puppet now... He is filthy rich, lives in a castle, a coward, and sold his people and Deen for material gains..

Now back to Ataturk:

According to Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, Mustafa Kemal revealed to him in 1911 that:

"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."

If true, this could indicate that Ataturk is descended from the Doenme, "an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century FALSE MESSIAH, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name."

Again brothers and sisters, Islam has no Emblem or Symbol. All of these are "bida3", or inventions.. inserted maliciously by we know who.

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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2015, 11:14:19 AM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brother Tarek and Uzair,


And may Allah bless you for your understanding dear brother Uzair.

I also thought that we can use 'La ilaha illAllah......' or the picture I showed, 'Allah, rasul, muhammad' as our emblem instead of that pagan mark. I guess that won't be any sin (Allah knows best).

But have you thought about the results of using those writtings or the seal as an emblem? The christians love burning things to dishonor Islam.>:( Every christian and bloody 'Islam-hating infidel' will burn at least one emblem each day. But we are not like those ******* as we respect the people of the Books. Does any of us want to see the sacred name of Allah SWT and the name of  His beloved prophet SAW burning?

Actually there is very little need of an emblem. But we can use the emblems you or I have shown only in special cases and not very often.

May Allah bless you and all the muslims in this world,
Tahmeed

Brother these Islamophobia also burn Holy Quran. So i don't think that you should be worried about Emlem containing Allah's or Prophet's name. No matter what you do these racist & bigoted Islamophobia will hate us and can do anything to destroy Islam

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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 12:37:15 PM »
Assalamu alaikum dear brother,

Brother these Islamophobia also burn Holy Quran. So i don't think that you should be worried about Emlem containing Allah's or Prophet's name. No matter what you do these racist & bigoted Islamophobia will hate us and can do anything to destroy Islam

So true!

But we should be cautious while using very often something which rasul SAW didn't use often. For example, in important letters, posters etc we can use such emblems if Islam needs to be represented there; as rasul SAW did. Also in mosques, there is no problem. But I think we should avoid using emblems in places where rasul SAW didn't and where there are risks such as the following example.

I have seen 'La ilaha illAllah....' in Saudi Arabian coins. But a coin can fall anywhere, anyone can carelessly walk over it. Is that appropiate? So, in cases like these, we should avoid using Allah's name or emblem containing it.

May peace be upon you,
Your brother in Islam, Tahmeed
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2015, 02:00:01 PM »
Assalam-u-alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I was going through the site 'islamic-awareness's 'islamic coins' section and noticed some important facts about the star-crescent emblem. For brothers and sisters who don't know about this, I hope it will be helpful Insh'Allah.

This emblem existed in the pre-islamic ages, specially during the sassanian empre it was widely used. When the Muslims conquered persia, sassanian empire ended but their coin containing the symbol and the face of sassanian emperor Yazdgrid three, WHO WAS A ZOROASTRIAN. Here is te coin's picture taken from
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Coins/drachm30.html.



Notice the crescent and star symbol at the top of the emperor's head. The coin existed the same even after muslim conquest, though the governors inserted Allah's Holy Name in the coin. See the picture of the coin during the reign of the fifth caliph Muawiya ibn Abu Sufian (R).



Look carefully. Do you see the writing-Bism Allah (In the Name of God) in the right lower corner? But the crescent-star symbol and the pagan emperor's portrait are right in their places!

So a question rises here. How can Muawiya (R), a close companion of the Prophet SAW, allow this coin with a pagan symbol and someone's portrait which is strictly prohibited??

Personally I don't hate Muawiya (R) 'cause I'M NOT A SHIA OR A KHARIZI. In fact I don't like to criticize any of the Prophet's SAW companions. But I do admit he made some mistakes as he was also a human like others (we don't worship the sahabas as the trinitians worship the disciples). And so by the term 'KHULAFA-E-RASHIDIN' (Rightly guided caliphs) I and most people understand Abu bakr, Umar. Usman and Ali (R).

And while critisizing a close companion of the Prophet SAW, we must judge things logically and rationally. Muawiyah R couldn't change the coin in a blink of an eye even if he wanted to. Read the foloowing from http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Coins/  and notice the bold writings.

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After the Muslims defeated the armies of Byzantine and Sassanian empires, there came the need to administer the conquered territories. The early Muslim from Arabia did not have a sophisticated system like that of the two defeated empires. So, the best recourse for them was to maintain the existing administrative systems just like other conquerers before and after them did.  However, the early Muslims inherited two different administrative systems from the conquered two empires. Hence they had to maintain two parallel administrative systems one in the east and another in the west, which differed in their languages, culture, monetary systems and controls. The Muslims maintained these parallel systems for over 50 years until the reforms of the Umayyad caliph al-Malik.

Before the reforms of al-Malik, the Muslims used the existing MONETARY SYSTEMS of their Sassanian and the Byzantine predecessors.
There is a
debate concerning the earliest coinage and their dating. Some argue that Muslims started striking coinage almost immediately as they did in the former Sassanian domain. Other argue that the Muslims did not strike coins in the former Byzantine realms until the reign of al-Malik. However, the middle ground appears to be more appropriate as the the coinage of the era before the advent of al-Malik was very complex. At some point in time, both in the east and in the west, the Islamic empire started to make its presence known via the coins that circulated in their domains. Initially, the changes were very MINOR with the addition of short phrases in Arabic and/or the addition of hijra dates. These lasted until a complete reform of the administrative system by al-Malik who united it in Arabic and changed the coinage drastically to what we essentially call as ISLAMIC COINS.

It is not easy to suddenly change the coinage system of a vast empire, almost impossible.

But still, whoever inserted Allah's name in the coin could at least give the Name a place in the top AS I REALLY REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE/SUPPORT KEEPING A PAGAN SYMBOL ON THE TOP AND A PORTRAIT OF A ZOROASTRIAN EMPEROR IN THE MIDDLE WHILE THROWING OFF ALLAH'S NAME IN THE LOWER CORNER.

The coin of Abd al-Malik ibn AbdAllah, zubayrid governor of Bishapur, also had the name of the Prophet, (which is the earliest occurance of the name Muhammad in a dated Muslim text), but still in the lower left corner!! See yourselves.



And brothers I think this is how the pagan emblem started to enter Islam slowly. Later the Turks adopted this symbol from the persians and finally it became a worldwide emblem for Islam.

Well in this case, thanks to Muawiya's (R) son Yazid (only for this reason, not for his other works!) as he removed Allah's name from the gathering of pagan marks! (ie the crescent-star symbol and the portrait) At least he didn't mix Allah's name with those things! This is his coin:



Finaly, umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan completely removed the coin with the pagan symbol and started a new and truly ISLAMIC COIN. May Allah bless him for this work. See his dinar (gold coin) and dirham (silver coin).





May Allah bless the muslim ummah and save us from shirk, kufr and bidat.

And Allah knows best...
Tahmeed

Main source: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Coins/

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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2015, 09:26:34 AM »
The phenomenon when something shines at the edge of crescent moon is called Lunar occultation.

Just like borther Tahmeed posted about the coins, when Islam reaches the Persian region they adopt their coins and bear the name of One God the Creator and we can see the Lunar occultation symbol.

When Islam reaches Byzantine region, they adopt their coins and bear the name One God in those greek coins. No Lunar occultation can be seen. That means the Lunar occultation  does not represent anything in early Islamic times.

In pagan religions, Lunar occultation means good karma. Something good will happen. As for why Ottoman adopt the symbol on their flags, was it due to good karma during war to invade Byzantine regions. Or  possibly due to month of ramadhan. Or some say due to dream, or about about his soldiers. One need to dig deeper on the real reasons.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdul-rahman_klimaszewski/star_and_crescent_moon_rebuttal.htm

 

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