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Qualities of Allah:
So according to Quran 37:77 and you, from Noah came the bloodline of Prophets and later all other nations except Noah's perished (not in the Flood but for other reasons)? Because Quran 37:77 says only Noah's descendants are those remaining on Earth.

QuranSearchCom:
No, nations already existed when the flood happened.  But the bloodline of Abraham and others all came from Noah.

Qualities of Allah:
Then why does Quran 37:77 say only Noah's descendants are remaining on Earth if other nations already existed? Shouldn't those nations' descendants also be existing today?

QuranSearchCom:
[007:069]  "Do ye wonder that there hath come to you a message from your Lord through a man of your own people, to warn you? call in remembrance that He made you inheritors after the people of Noah, and gave you a stature tall among the nations. Call in remembrance the benefits (ye have received) from God: that so ye may prosper."

The people of Noah's doom was a time-mark for a Divine Purpose only known to Allah Almighty.  Their doom was to happen so that other Prophets and people were to emerge tall among all of the nations.

[037:077]  We arranged it so that only his progeny survived (the flood).

This Noble Verse does not talk about the entire globe being covered with water.  It only talked about the followers of Noah and the people of Noah:

[037:075]  Earlier, Nooh called Us and We responded. We are simply the Best of those who respond.
[037:076]  We rescued him and his household from an awful torture.
[037:077]  We arranged it so that only his progeny ذريته survived (the flood).
[037:078]  And among the generations to follow, We let his name be honored and revered.
[037:079]  Peace (and honor) is for ‘Nooh’ in the entire universe among all people في العالمين!
[037:080]  This is really how We reward the righteous ones!


Also, seed ذريته of Noah here includes the Prophets that will come after him from the future generations:

‏6:84 ووهبنا له اسحاق ويعقوب كلا هدينا ونوحا هدينا من قبل ومن ذريته داوود وسليمان وايوب ويوسف وموسى وهارون وكذلك نجزي المحسنين

[006:084]  We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:


The Muslims are the seed of Noah:

‏6:133 وربك الغني ذو الرحمة ان يشا يذهبكم ويستخلف من بعدكم مايشاء كما انشاكم من ذرية قوم اخرين

[006:133]  Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people.


Before Islam, the Arabs were on the edge of getting doomed by Allah Almighty.  Islam saved them.  When they succeeded in accepting and embracing Islam, they were saved:

‏3:103 واعتصموا بحبل الله جميعا ولاتفرقوا واذكروا نعمة الله عليكم اذ كنتم اعداء فالف بين قلوبكم فاصبحتم بنعمته اخوانا وكنتم على شفا حفرة من النار فانقذكم منها كذلك يبين الله لكم اياته لعلكم تهتدون

[003:103]  Cling firmly to the rope of Allah, all of you together (as a single entity)! Do not fall into disunity. Remember the favors of Allah upon you, when you were each other’s enemy? He brought your hearts together; and so by His grace you became (like) brothers. You were (perched precariously) at the brink of a fire filled abyss على شفا حفرة من النار. But He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes the revelations clear to you. Perhaps you will find the right path.



Bloodline of Covenants:

Three times was‏  وتركنا عليه في الاخرين   "And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times" mentioned throughout the Glorious Quran.  It was mentioned for:

1-  Noah in Noble Verse 37:78 above.

2-  Ishmael and his future Covenant after Isaac's Covenant comes to pass:  https://www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_ishmael.htm

3-  Ilyaas when he warned his people to stop worshiping the pagan god and idol, Baal.


[037:102]  Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
[037:103]  So when they had both submitted their wills (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
[037:104]  We called out to him "O Abraham!
[037:105]  "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
[037:106]  For this was obviously a trial-
[037:107]  And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
[037:108]  And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:

‏37:102 فلما بلغ معه السعي قال يابني اني ارى في المنام اني اذبحك فانظر ماذا ترى قال ياابت افعل ماتؤمر ستجدني ان شاء الله من الصابرين
‏37:103 فلما اسلما وتله للجبين
‏37:104 وناديناه ان ياابراهيم
‏37:105 قد صدقت الرؤيا انا كذلك نجزي المحسنين
‏37:106 ان هذا لهو البلاء المبين
‏37:107 وفديناه بذبح عظيم
‏37:108 وتركنا عليه في الاخرين



Ishmael was true to his promise that he made to his father in Noble Verse 37:102 above: 

[019:054] Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised صادق الوعد, and he was an apostle (and) a prophet.


[037:123]  So also was Elias among those sent (by Us).
[037:124]  Behold, he said to his people, "Will ye not fear (God)?
[037:125]  "Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators,-
[037:126]  "God, your Lord and Cherisher and the Lord and Cherisher of your fathers of old?"
[037:127]  But they rejected him, and they will certainly be called up (for punishment),-
[037:128]  Except the sincere and devoted Servants of God (among them).
[037:129]  And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:

‏37:123 وان الياس لمن المرسلين
‏37:124 اذ قال لقومه الا تتقون
‏37:125 اتدعون بعلا وتذرون احسن الخالقين
‏37:126 الله ربكم ورب ابائكم الاولين
‏37:127 فكذبوه فانهم لمحضرون
‏37:128 الا عباد الله المخلصين
‏37:129 وتركنا عليه في الاخرين


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Qualities of Allah:
Sorry for the long suspension of this conversation but I am back.


--- Quote ---The people of Noah's doom was a time-mark for a Divine Purpose only known to Allah Almighty.  Their doom was to happen so that other Prophets and people were to emerge tall among all of the nations.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote ---Also, seed ذريته of Noah here includes the Prophets that will come after him from the future generations:

‏6:84 ووهبنا له اسحاق ويعقوب كلا هدينا ونوحا هدينا من قبل ومن ذريته داوود وسليمان وايوب ويوسف وموسى وهارون وكذلك نجزي المحسنين

[006:084]  We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
--- End quote ---

--- Quote ---The Muslims are the seed of Noah:

‏6:133 وربك الغني ذو الرحمة ان يشا يذهبكم ويستخلف من بعدكم مايشاء كما انشاكم من ذرية قوم اخرين

[006:133]  Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people.
--- End quote ---

Are you saying that all the Prophets that came after Noah as well as us Muslims are the metaphorical descendants of Noah? You said Noah's flood was a time mark of a Divine Purpose so that other Prophets from different nations will emerge after him, which makes me think that they are metaphorical descendants of Noah since those prophets cannot be literal descendants because they came from other nations besides Noah's. And, as you said, Q 6:84 says that the seed of Noah are those Prophets that will emerge after him. Again, this makes me think that by "descendants", the Quran meant descendants metaphorically, and not literally.

However, if I misunderstood you and you meant all these Prophets and us Muslims are literal descendants of Noah, then is everyone on Earth currently a descendant of Noah or not? Currently, people convert to Islam and if they were not descendants of Noah before they cannot automatically become a literal descendant of Noah after converting. Or by Muslims, did the Quran mean the Arabs (who became Muslim first) are the descendants of Noah?

Tafsir ibn Kathir says this about this topic, " '(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors.)' All people descended from the offspring of Nuh, peace be upon him.'' There is some hadith that tries to explain this, "Sam (Sam, Ham, and Yafith, apparently the sons of Noah) was the father of the Arabs, Ham was the father of the Ethiopians and Yafith was the father of the Romans.''

What do you think about the hadith and tafsir mentioned above?

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