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laloumen:
Hello,
On your site, on the page, http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm, you state:
"The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!"
And you reference Leviticus 20:21 to support your bold assertion,
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity;
he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
(Lev 20:21)
But this says nothing about parents marrying children. So where do you get the idea that the Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows parents to marry their children????
Simply put, what you've written is not true and the Quran says, "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28.
You have sinned. But, to make things very simple, forgiveness is not possible in Islam - God cannot be merciful to you without being unjust. How can God forgive you for your sin without ignoring your guilt? And, if God ignores your guilt, God is unjust. You need a Savior! You need to turn from your sin to the Lord, because in Him there is forgiveness, through His death on the cross on your behalf. In this way, God is both merciful and just.
But, if you persist in rejecting Jesus Christ, you reject the only way of salvation. And God will not forgive your sins and there is nothing you can do to earn His forgiveness. In rejecting the only way of salvation, you reject salvation and condemn yourself to an eternity in hell.
Turn to Christ!! God will forgive all your sins and you can know the peace that passes all understanding.
In Christ,
Jim
QuranSearchCom:
--- Quote ---On your site, on the page, http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm, you state:
"The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!"
And you reference Leviticus 20:21 to support your bold assertion,
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity;
he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
(Lev 20:21)
But this says nothing about parents marrying children. So where do you get the idea that the Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows parents to marry their children?
--- End quote ---
Peace be upon you Laloumen,
Welcome to the board. Let us read the verse in question again:
If a man marries has sex with his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity;
he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
(Leviticus 20:21)
In the article, http://www.answering-christianity.com/abrogation_in_bible.htm#marriage_with_children, I discussed the following possible meanings for "They will be childless":
1- Either this is a false man-made scientific statement, like many of the false scientific statements, in the Bible, where they it says that it is biologically and physiologically impossible for the man and the woman in this case to impregnate the woman and have a child. Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_scientific_absurdities.htm.
2- Or GOD Almighty in this verse rejects or invalidates the parent-child relationship in this situation if it were to happen.
3- Or it is a false man-made "prophecy" and lie on GOD Almighty's Holy Mouth by giving a promise that the man and the woman will become physiologically barren, - unable to ever produce children ever again, - whether with each others or seperate with other people.
If interpretation or meaning #2 is valid, then this means that nothing on earth could stop the biological father from marrying his biological daughter, or for the biological mother to marry her biological son - should she divorce or become a widow.
--- Quote ---You have sinned. But, to make things very simple, forgiveness is not possible in Islam
--- End quote ---
I have neither sinned, nor is your knowledge about Islam correct. Go read the Glorious Quran and see the 100s of Noble Verses that speak about GOD Almighty's Forgiveness and Mercy. Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm.
--- Quote ---You need a Savior! You need to turn from your sin to the Lord, because in Him there is forgiveness, through His death on the cross on your behalf. In this way, God is both merciful and just.
--- End quote ---
Watch Dr. Zakir Naik's debate with Pastor Rukni on "Did Jesus Christ ACTUALLY DIE on the cross?". Dr. Zakir thoroughly demonstrated and proved from the Bible's New Testament that Christ never died on the cross, nor was he ever resurrected. In fact, the word resurrected was never even mentioned in the NT. It says Jesus was raised, which means he never died. Watch the debate and see all of the NT verses that Dr. Zakir Naik gave that thoroughly demonstrated and proved this:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_jesus_crucified_debate_between_dr_zakir_naik_and_pastor_rukni.wmv
--- Quote ---But, if you persist in rejecting Jesus Christ, you reject the only way of salvation. And God will not forgive your sins and there is nothing you can do to earn His forgiveness. In rejecting the only way of salvation, you reject salvation and condemn yourself to an eternity in hell.
--- End quote ---
I am afraid you're the one who rejects GOD Almighty and His servant and creation and Prophet and Messenger, Jesus Christ, with your idol worship of Jesus and polytheism. Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
laloumen:
Your logic leaves a great deal to be desired. You leap from point to point without any logical connection whatsoever.
There are two possibilities for the judgment in this case:
1. Either by the judgment of God they shall have no children, or
2. their spurious offspring shall be denied by human authority the ordinary privileges of children in Israel.
Your rejection of #3 by claiming that it is a "false man-made prophecy" is simply assuming the point in question, whereas the verse itself could very well mean that it is God's judgment on that couple that they will have no children together. It doesn't say that they couldn't have children from other people. At least, not unless you presuppose what you want to prove - which is what you've done.
But then, your further conclusion "this means that nothing on earth could stop the biological father from marrying his biological daughter" is not only irrelevant (i.e. the conclusion is not based on the premises in any way at all) it is beyond all rationality to infer that this means "the Bible allows parents to marry their children."
And, regarding the Qu'ran speaking of forgiveness - you miss my point. I didn't say the Qu'ran didn't speak of forgiveness. I said that under the doctrines of Islam, God could not be both righteous and merciful because righteousness requires that sins be punished. And when God forgives, in your view, he is not punishing sin, hence he is not righteous. Thus, your view of God is impossible. Islam is a false religion because the most fundamental facts about God cannot be upheld - in fact are found to be contradictory under Islam's view of God.
Have a nice day.
In Christ,
Jim
laloumen:
"Dr. Zakir thoroughly demonstrated and proved from the Bible's New Testament that Christ never died on the cross, nor was he ever resurrected. In fact, the word resurrected was never even mentioned in the NT. It says Jesus was raised, which means he never died. Watch the debate and see all of the NT verses that Dr. Zakir Naik gave that thoroughly demonstrated and proved this:"
You're kidding right? You're going to prove from the NT that Christ was not raised from the dead? LOL. Is that what passes for argumentation in Islam? I'd be ashamed to post that video on my web site if I were you. It is laughable.
To deal with your points in reverse order: how did you come to **make up** the idea that 'raised' means that Jesus never died?
Here are some examples where 'raised' is explicitly placed in conjunction with 'died' or 'dead' to show that your idea is untenable:
And as they were coming down the mountain,
Jesus commanded them, "Tell no one the vision,
until the Son of Man is **raised from the dead**."
(Matthew 17:9)
Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised
(Romans 8:34)
He [Jesus Christ] was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was
made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are
believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory,
so that your faith and hope are in God.
(1 Peter 1:20-21)
There are dozens of such places which demonstrate the completely arbitrary assertion you are making. Please explain how 'raised' means that Jesus never died. That ought to be interesting!!
But as for your initial point, that 'resurrected' is never used in the NT, it is a red herring. It is a misleading assertion. The word 'resurrection' is used in many places. Why not mention those places?
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son,
who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God
in power according to the Spirit of holiness by **his resurrection from the dead**,
Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about
the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,
(Romans 1:1-5)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to
his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
(1 Peter 1:3)
Wow, I wish I could have debated that man. It would not have been a pleasant experience for him.
In Christ,
Jim
QuranSearchCom:
--- Quote ---Your rejection of #3 by claiming that it is a "false man-made prophecy" is simply assuming the point in question, whereas the verse itself could very well mean that it is God's judgment on that couple that they will have no children together. It doesn't say that they couldn't have children from other people. At least, not unless you presuppose what you want to prove - which is what you've done.
--- End quote ---
I live in the USA. The Jewish community, nation wide, is among the most sexually open ones in the nation. It's so bad here that Rabbies are said to have secret group sex with many of their followers. Now, I also grant you that there are many pious Jews in the USA and around the world.
But let's be real here. You mean to tell me that if Kim Kardashian, a former porn star and a Jew who was made famous in the US' media, slept with her sister's husband, then she'll become barren? Or if her brother sleeps with her other brother's wife, then they'll become barren? Leviticus 20:21 is not just speaking about GOD-fearing Jews here. It's also speaking about loose and ill-raised ones like the example I gave. It's talking about if a brother has sex with his brother's wife. This is something that is never approved for pious people to do, as you know.
As to Jesus resurrecting from the dead point, again, please do listen to the debate. Dr. Zakir proved that the translation is actually "raised", and the word doesn't mean coming back to life from death. Even the pastor that was debating him was silenced on many of the points that were given by Dr. Zakir Naik. It's not as simple and shallow as you think. Like you, I had my doubts, but when I saw the debate, I was really amazed.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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