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As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:

1-  Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned.  Here is the Arabic text:

‏18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما

[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.

The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is لدنا.  But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.


Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?

‏4:67 واذا لاتيناهم من لدنا اجرا عظيما

[004:067]  And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;

‏19:13 وحنانا من لدنا وزكاة وكان تقيا

[019:013]  And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,

‏20:99 كذلك نقص عليك من انباء ماقد سبق وقد اتيناك من لدنا ذكرا

[020:099]  Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.

‏21:17 لو اردنا ان نتخذ لهوا لاتخذناه من لدنا ان كنا فاعلين

[021:017]  If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!

‏28:57 وقالوا ان نتبع الهدى معك نتخطف من ارضنا او لم نمكن لهم حرما امنا يجبى اليه ثمرات كل شئ رزقا من لدنا ولكن اكثرهم لايعلمون

[028:057]  They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.

I won't argue long with you on this.  Please do not use this approach here.  The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok. 

May Allah Almighty bless you.  Please honor my request to you.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Alaikom Salam brother Osama, i want to tell you one thing, wallahi i love you in the name of Allah for your effort on this site, this site has shaped my knowledge about Islam, you dont know how many times i have used your texts from this site in my dawah, i pray to Allah to reward you with paradise.

Before we end this discussion about programming letters in quran i want to tell you one thing, be like one of the sahaba when he wanted to hear what prophet had to say, he was thinking If he speak true i will accept it, if he speak falsehood i will reject it, i am logical man.

SO if i speak the true, you can only benefit from it and use my arguments in your dawah, beacuse so far nobody of atheists could reject those examples even though they wanted to do it so bad, but they could not.

Even if a Child comes to me and say, Hey, do you want to learn from me something new about quran wich can benefit you in your dawah, i would say show me, beacuse i know if something is logical i accept it if it is not i reject it, as easy as that.


when i search in quran i use your quran search on answering-christianity to verify claims of other Before i accept them


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I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:

1-  Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned.  Here is the Arabic text:

‏18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما

[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.

The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is لدنا.  But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.

let me explain Before you reject it

in Quran letters DNA are found on many places, 1 occurence/verse many times , 2 occurences/verse many times
so nothing is special with those occurence as far as i know beacuse they occur in many placesnothing support them expect that letters are in correct order next to each other

but you missed this

‏18:65 فوجدا عبدا من عبادنا اتيناه رحمة من عندنا وعلمناه من لدنا علما

only this verse contain DNA 3 times and nowhere else in the quran, there were 1, 2 and 3 occurence /verse in the quran but not greater than 3, like 4,5 or more.
So 3 times /verse is only ONCE, that is why it makes it special in verse 18:65--->year 1865

If i picked one verse with DNA 1 occurence you could say, why pick that verse why not pick other, or if i picked verse with 2 occurences/verse you would say why pick that why not other verse with 2 occurences

but you cant say why did you picked that verse with DNA mentioned 3 times /verse and not other one with 3 times, beacuse there is no other verse with DNA 3 times. You can witness this with you own Eyes

copy letter DNA
دنا
and put it in your search quran program and yo uwill see that only verse 18:65 mentions only DNA 3 time and nowhere else, that is why it is special.

DO you understand me brother now?
If you want to accept this, just accept it, if you want to reject it, just reject it, and we will end our discussion with nummerical programing with letters

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One more thing we cant extract f*** word since it is not enough that letters are in correct order next to eachother beacuse you need also other evidence wich suport it

For example dna is not enough if it was not mentioned in verse 18:65 , year 1865
Neutron ntrn is not enough if it was not mentioned 18:39, heavier 1,839 times than an electron
Venus and its inclination number verse 17:7, venus inclination 177 degrees
Halley comet(kewkab) astronomical object in verse 76, it takes 76 years for that comet to orbit the sun
Kaba mentioned first time in verse 2:125, kaba has lattitude 21 degrees 25 minutes
Raising to high place only in verse 19:57, first time in human history human raised an objectso high, sputnik satelit was launched year 1957
 
Do you really think tvat all these examples are coincidences?

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As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,

May Allah Almighty bless you.  But brother, as I requested before, please do not post the DNA and RNA stuff here, or any related nonsense here.  Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. Same with with RNA and NTRA and all other nonsense that you posted.  And I told you also that using this method, we can also extract the F*** word and any word we like!

Please do not spam this board with this nonsense, akhi.  And worse, please do not make a mockery out of the Holy Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles, akhi.  I already made this request before, dear brother, and removed these posts before.

Please present your case here as to why they should be allowed.  Let's discuss it here in the open.  Show me where I am going wrong, please.  Don't just impose them on us like this.

Either way, may Allah Almighty bless you for your efforts and sincerity.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

i will explain why you are wrong

you say

"Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. "


if Allah use DNA separated from existing words that would be weakness in the quran beacuse imagine words wich nobody would understand 1400 years taking valuable place in the quran, that would not be logical

so instead doing that, by using letters DNA incorpaorated in existing words is actually double information in same text, wich is for me is clear evidence that the text is divine.


imagine if i knew future and i want to give people proof that this is my book, so i give an example from ancient times about a good woman called Edna

beacuse i know future when science of DNA will be officially started, i put name of Edna 3 times wich is most in entire book

18:65 There was a good relgious woman called Edna, Edna helped poor people and relatives wich cause many people to follow Edna as good example in this life.

every body can understand simple text, both old and new generations, everybody, and i choose to use Edna name exactly at precise position in my book so it correspond to the year when science of DNA/genetics will be started

beacuse nowhere else out of 6236 verses are letters next to each other 3 times except in that verse 18:65 ---> wich correspond to the year 1865 when DNA science started.

same method is with Neutron (NTRN), by using existing words where consonant letters for neutron is used is only in verse 18:39, AND NOWHERE ELSE IN THE QURAN. Neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron, how can it be so, tell me out of 6236 verses only in that verse wich corresponds to its weight.

same it is with other examples. I call this double information in same text, only God can do something like this, there is no doubt in my mind that these examples are real, and no coincidences, beacuse there is no coincidence with God beacuse God knows everything that is why coincidence dont happen in his creation or his decisions.

i have explained why you are wrong on this matter, now explain to me why i am wrong here. By the why brother Osama did you read my other topic about Iron core miracle with 5100km=5100 verses ?

I have studied and analysed quranic miracles for 3 years now. by the way, when you give that odd and even example with chapter and verse numbers you should always mention golden ratio in that example between repretative and non-repetetive numbers.

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Isotopes of iron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_iron

I Think that this nummerical miracle should be shown on you site answering christianity so everybody can witness the miracle with his own Eyes.

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IRON MENTIONED IN THE VERSE 25 OF CHAPTER IRON

We sent Our messengers with clear signs, the Scripture and the Balance, so that people could uphold justice: We also sent iron, with its mighty strength and many uses for mankind, so that God could mark out those who would help Him and His messengers though they cannot see Him. Truly God is powerful, almighty.


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NEW SCIENTIFIC/NUMMERICAL MIRACLE IN THE QURAN about Iron core deep 5100km



but this is not all

 if we count from the begining of the Quran to the only word Iron in the chapter iron we have 5100 verses



And Iron core wich is solid is 5100 km bellow surface of the Earth



http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4654
The border between the outer core and the inner core is about 5,100 km below the surface of the Earth.

Encyclopedia britannica
http://www.britannica.com/place/Earth/The-interior
A small, central part of the core, however, below a depth of about 5,100 km (3,200 miles), is solid iron.

from NASA site
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/moon/image-display.cfm?IM_ID=168
The core below the mantle begins at a depth of around 5100 kilometers, and comprises an outer core (liquid iron-nickel alloy) and inner core (solid iron-nickel alloy).

this is not all, God talking about soft iron only at this place

verse 34:10 And We granted David blessings from Us: "O mountains, glorify with him, as well as the birds." And We softened the iron for him.

Molten Iron is around the solid iron in the centre of the earth between 2900km-5100km

verse 34:10 is 3616th verse from the beginig of the quran, so if we take 3616 as km, it fits in 2900km---3616km----5100km


Surah Iron is the 57 surah and has in it 29 Verses.
 57-29 = 28 so this number has now two meanings.

The Verse of the Iron has in itself 28 Words.

57:29 Laqad arsalna rusulana bialbayyinati waanzalna maAAahumu alkitaba waalmeezana liyaqooma alnnasu bialqisti waanzalna alhadeeda(The iron) feehi basun shadeedun wamanafiAAu lilnnasi waliyaAAlama Allahu man yansuruhu warusulahu bialghaybi inna Allaha qawiyyun AAazeezun

And the Iron itself has 28 Isotope (4 stabile and. 24 instabile) that in itself is fascinating, but when you look which position the word iron(Hasid) has its the 13.Word of the Ayah.(The words are somehow representing the Isotopes)

Ironically the 13.Isotope is Iron-57 and how the Surah is called?!

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:35:03 AM »





gematrical values of verses in the chapter 1
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/wordCount/QuranGV.php

calculus for your own confirmation
http://web2.0calc.com/

copy and paste these big numbers and divide them with 19
1)
11978617581126181124119836181072436009

2)
60094310721883619241116181258117786191

3)
111978621758131261841124151983661810727436009

4)
17119260401303051302008405013020081040217130840430305200213070304010503121302008405013020081040411403020
10640130410505191101205070246110120506040070105061815450113090200913040604001001040743902009130700105015
070404007030105401000102001304010008006270301054063011308001301050

explained in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgYKPO_-GLU

more combinations in fatiha divisible with 19


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:32:34 AM »

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you for this amazing post.  I love your work and discoveries, dear brother.  Keep them up.  I will go over your account's posts this weekend insha'Allah, and see where I could download and add your material in the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran section.  I know that you have hidden treasures there :).

Keep up the great work, akhi Dawud!  You have some good talents in you.  May Allah Almighty protect you.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

please analyze that that example from quran chapter Moon, where you can see distance between moon and earth nummerical programmed in the quran.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,

May Allah Almighty greatly bless you for this amazing post.  I love your work and discoveries, dear brother.  Keep them up.  I will go over your account's posts this weekend insha'Allah, and see where I could download and add your material in the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran section.  I know that you have hidden treasures there :).

Keep up the great work, akhi Dawud!  You have some good talents in you.  May Allah Almighty protect you.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

alaikom selam actually it was your website who introduced me into scientific and nummerical miracles of quran, so now i find them by myself

it was your website who has shaped my mind to Think in right direction when it comes to numemrical and scientific miracles

may Allah reward you for your great work.

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Amazing scientific miracle confirmed by science

 source
http://research.vtc.vt.edu/news/2014/sep/02/price-honesty/

Previous studies have shown that brain areas behind the forehead, called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and orbitofrontal cortex, become more active during functional brain scanning when a participant is told to lie or to be honest.

 source
Study suggests region in front of brain exerts control over lying impulses
http://www.dailycal.org/2014/09/10/study-suggests-region-front-brain-exerts-control-lying-impulses/

Video about scientific miracle in quran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX5XKhd8xo





 Did you know?

 Study finds truth and lies
 decided by areas of prefrontal
 cortex.



 Researchers at the
 Virginia Tech Carilion
 Research Institute conducted
 a study that confirmed the
 parts of the brain that make
 the decision to lie.

 Study
 shows region in front of brain
 becomes active over lying.

 Allah says:
 (A lying, sinning forelock)
 [96/16]. Subhan Allah!!

 what teachonology did muhammed and his scribers used to say such scinetific claim???

 no, they had none, but God who know us better than we ourselves informed us about that. this is one of many evidences that quran is from God, only not honest people deny such obvious proofs

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: December 05, 2014, 07:01:59 AM »
alaikom selam

no i am not same person.

i answered to you via youtube, if you want you can copy this video and put in on answering christianity.
In my opinion this video has best graphical presentation of nummerical miracles on the internet, really modern presentation.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: December 04, 2014, 01:13:32 PM »
Proof that Quran is from God presented visually, superinteligent math in Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhxwyvoLMUA

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad(PBUH) in Bible
« on: November 25, 2014, 03:32:51 AM »
Assalamu Alikum my Muslim brother and sisters. I get into debate with my Christian brothers all the time. And I try use bible to prove prophet Muhammad(PBUH). But there are two verses in bible where I'm stuck I heard Dr. Zakir Niak quote these verse "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7  But one thing that really throws me off is why does the verse say "I will send him to you" when it was Allah(swt) that sent Muhammad(PBUH) and the other one Isiah 29:12 "Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I don't know how to read." How can this be prophet Muhammad(pbuh). If you can please refute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUeYLckRu0Y
It is very imported that these question get answered before I can use these two verses to prove prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in Bible.
Assalamu Alikum I'm eagerly waiting for you to shine some light.
Thank You Very Much


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But one thing that really throws me off is why does the verse say "I will send him to you" when it was Allah(swt) that sent Muhammad(PBUH)


it is very difficult to know what exactly jesus said, since bible was written 50-100 years after jesus departed from the earth.
the point here is that someone will come after him and Muhammed fits that descprition best.
maybe he really said, God will send him to you, but people after some time wrote I will send him to you.


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Isiah 29:12 "Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I don't know how to read." How can this be prophet Muhammad(pbuh).



'Ā'ishah said: The first revelation that was granted to the Messenger of Allāh, peace and blessings of Allāh be on him, was the true dream in a state of sleep,4 so that he never dreamed a dream but the truth of it shone forth like the dawn of the morning. Then solitude became dear to him and he used to seclude himself in the cave of Hirā',5 and therein he devoted himself to Divine worship for several nights before he came back to his family and took provisions for this (retirement); then he would return to Khadījah6 and take (more) provisions for a similar (period), until the Truth7 came to him while he was in the cave of Hirā'; so the angel (Gabriel) came to him and said, Read. He (the Prophet) said, "I said I am not one who can read." And he continued: "Then he (the angel) took hold of me and he pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more, and then he let me go and said, Read. I said, I am not one who can read. Then he took hold of me and pressed me a second time so hard that I could not bear it any more, then he let me go again and said, Read. I said, "I am not one who can read." (The Prophet) continued: "Then he took hold of me and pressed me hard for a third time, then he let me go and said, 'Read in the name of thy Lord Who created--He created man from a clot--Read and thy Lord is most Honourable.'"8 The Messenger of Allāh, peace and blessings of Allāh be on him, returned with this (message) while his heart trembled and he came to Khadījah, daughter of Khuwailid, and said, "Wrap me up, wrap me up," and she wrapped him up until the awe left him.9 Then he said to Khadījah, while he related to her what had happened: "I fear for myself."10 Khadījah said, Nay, By Allāh, Allāh will never bring thee to disgrace, for thou unitest the ties of relationship and bearest the burden of the weak and earnest for the destitute and honourest the guest and helpest in real distress.

Then Khadījah went with him until she brought him to Waraqah ibn Naufal ibn Asad ibn 'Abd al-'Uzzā, Khadījah's uncle's son, and he was a man who had become a Christian in the time of Ignorance,11 and he used to write the Hebrew script, and he wrote from the Gospel in Hebrew what it pleased Allāh that he should write, and he was a very old man who had turned blind. Khadījah said to him, O uncle's son! Listen to thy brother's son. Waraqah said to him, My brother's son! What hast thou seen? So the Messenger of Allāh, peace and blessings of Allāh be on him, related to him what he had seen. Waraqah said to him, This is the angel Gabriel whom Allāh sent to Moses;12 would that I were a young man at this time-would that I were alive when thy people would expel thee! The Messenger of Allāh, peace and blessings of Allāh be on him, said, Would they expel me? He said, Yes; never has a man appeared with the like of that which thou hast brought but he has been held in enmity; and if thy time finds me (alive) I shall help thee with the fullest help. After that not much time had passed that Waraqah died, and the revelation broke off temporarily. Jābir said, speaking of the temporary break in the revelation, (The Holy Prophet) said in his narrative:

"Whilst I was walking along, I heard a voice from heaven and I raised up my eyes, and lo! the Angel that had appeared to me in Hirā' was sitting on a throne between heaven and earth and I was struck with awe on account of him and returned (home) and said, Wrap me up, wrap me up.
 
Then Allāh revealed: 'O thou who art clothed! Arise and warn, And thy Lord do magnify, And thy garments do purify, And uncleanness do shun'."14

Then revelation became brisk and came in succession.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/hadith/had04.htm

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