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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: November 19, 2014, 02:19:57 AM »
in moon-earth distance in the quran i noticed one small thing

it was counted from moon text text text text the earth (Al Ard)
and there was 306 letters

more accurate counting would be like this
moon text text text text the (Al)   earth (Ard)

if we include The (Al) into the counted letters between word Moon and word Earth

then we have 308 letters

308 / 3 = 102.66

while in reality

356 400 (km ) / 3474.2 = 102.58

difference is 0.08 between quranic distance between moon and earth and distance in reality in km

Dzhanbakov effect in universe wich will probabaly cause Sunrise in west, when the earth change rotation

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:19:10 AM »

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: October 27, 2014, 10:30:49 AM »

I've always had an issue with the case of the Quran having "miracles" in it.

Think about it this way. If the Quran had an irrefutable miracle in which it is 100% certainly true, then everyone would become a Muslim. If this happens then there really is no test. Allah stated that life is a test. DO you really think Allah is going to give us the answers to the test, or do you think Allah wants us to strive hard and study hard in order to pass this test?

Given this, Quranic statements must be sufficiently clear to guide someone with an open heart to Islam but at the same time, they must be sufficiently vague so that it does not guide someone with a closed heart who refuses to extensively study the Quran and find the answers.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The Miracles of the Glorious Quran are irrefutable.  They are too many to list here.  I would first start with the Numerical Miracles, because these require no dictionary and not interpretation, and no scientific theories.  They're just based on raw numbers.  An example of this is Surah Nuh (Chapter Noah) claims that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years.  Amazingly, the entire Noble Surah is also made of exactly 950 Letters.  Not a Letter more or less.  While I wasn't the one who discovered this Miracle, but I personally scanned this Noble Chapter with my hand-written counts of all of the Letters in It, and posted the scanned images on this website.

Please visit:

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

what do you say about this nummerical miracle in Fatiha?,1578.msg6754.html#msg6754

GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Nummerical miracle in Quran
« on: October 11, 2014, 07:15:55 PM »

gematrical values of verses in the chapter 1

calculus for your own confirmation

copy and paste these big numbers and divide them with 19




explained in this clip

I've always had an issue with the case of the Quran having "miracles" in it.

Think about it this way. If the Quran had an irrefutable miracle in which it is 100% certainly true, then everyone would become a Muslim. If this happens then there really is no test. Allah stated that life is a test. DO you really think Allah is going to give us the answers to the test, or do you think Allah wants us to strive hard and study hard in order to pass this test?

Given this, Quranic statements must be sufficiently clear to guide someone with an open heart to Islam but at the same time, they must be sufficiently vague so that it does not guide someone with a closed heart who refuses to extensively study the Quran and find the answers.

This is clear miracle in Quran, visual miracle wich can be tested and veirfied,1578.0.html

these are are my arguments for that Quran is from God and not humans:

1. Scientific miracles in the Quran
2. Prophecies of future events
3. Nummerical miracles
4. Healthy properties of quranic recitation on sick people (RUQIA)
5. Linguguistic miracles in the quran

« on: August 21, 2014, 04:47:33 AM »
best video i have ever seen on embriology in quran, lecture by Keith More at University, there are photos also for better understanding

if this is not proof that quranic embriology must come from God then nothing will convince you

Thanks for your answer.

#Question 2
Salahuddin, I suggest you read the accomplishments of a prominent Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher in the Roman empire name Claudius Galenus or Galen - born AD 129. He was the most accomplished of all medical researchers of antiquity. He was also before Mohammed.

From the Quran:
Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); Then we placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

From Galen:
But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic Alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen.

This means that the reproductive system was already told by Galen before the Quran.So it means its not a miracle :(


The Remarkable Structure of the Qur’an

The Qur’an is a very unique book in terms of its composition. Its 114 chapters (or ‘Surahs’ in Arabic) are not arranged chronologically or thematically. Even within the individual chapters, numerous topics can be covered with sudden switches from one topic to another and then back again.

This unique structure at face value may appear to be disjointed. However, modern research has discovered a sophisticated structural coherence in the Qur’an known as ring composition.


Ring composition has been explained by Mary Douglas in her book “Thinking in Circles: An Essay on Ring Composition”. In ring compositions there must be a correspondence between the beginning and the end. It is structured as a sort of circle, or mirror image. The central meaning of the text is placed at its centre. The second half mirrors the first half, in reverse order — e.g., A, B, C, D, C’, B’, A’.

The correspondence usually involves the repetition of a striking or evident word or phrase, and there must be a clear thematic connection between the two sections. The correspondence serves to complete the circle and provide closure. Also, the internal sections – within the ring – must correspond to each other.

To put it in simple terms; ring composition is the equivalent of putting a mirror in the middle – what is mentioned in the first half will be reflected in the second half.


Before getting into the ring composition of the Qur’an, it’s worth discussing the background and circumstances of the Qur’an’s revelation:

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, could not read or write. The Qur’an itself confirms this:

“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel…” [Chapter 7, verse 157]

Throughout his life, prior to Prophethood, Muhammad did not have a reputation for poetry. In fact we know from history that at a personal level he disliked it and wasn’t a skilled poet. There are instances where he attempted to relate some poetry and would jumble the words up [1]:

Qatadah narrated, Aisha was asked: Did the Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, use to relate anything from poetry?” She said: It was most detestable thing to him except that (at times) he used to relate a verse from the person of Banu Qays and he jumbled it up. Abu Bakr told him it was not like that. So the Prophet of Allah said, “By Allah I am not a poet and neither is it appropriate for me.”

The Qur’an was originally delivered to its first audience in the form of speech through recitation. Remarkably the Qur’an did not have the opportunity for an editorial process, as many verses were revealed on the spot as a response to unexpected questions and challenges that were brought forward to Prophet Muhammad from both believers and non-believers.

The 6,236 verses that make up the Qur’an were revealed gradually over a period of 23 years. It did not go through multiple revisions as it was revealed:

And those who disbelieve say, “Why was the Qur’an not revealed to him all at once?” Thus [it is] that We may strengthen thereby your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly. [Chapter 25, verse 32]

In light of these circumstances, one would expect the structure of the Qur’an to be incoherent. What we find however, is that it exhibits the sophisticated structure of ring composition.


Surah al-Baqarah, which we are going to use as a case study in this article, happens to be the longest chapter of the Qur’an and was revealed over a span of many years. Surah Al-Baqarah consists of 286 verses and can be divided into nine main sections based on theme/topic (verse numbers in parenthesis):

1. Faith vs. unbelief (1 – 20).
2. Allah’s creation and knowledge (21 – 39).
3. Deliverance of Law to Children of Israel (40 – 103).
4. Abraham was tested (104 – 141).
5. Ka’ba is the new qibla (142 – 152).
6. Muslims will be tested (153 – 177).
7. Deliverance of Law to Muslims (178 – 253).
8. Allah’s creation and knowledge (254 – 284).
9. Faith vs. unbelief (285 – 286).

Re-arranging this list to fit into a ring composition:

A Faith vs. unbelief (1 – 20).
——–B Allah’s creation and knowledge (21 – 39).
—————-C Deliverance of Law to Children of Israel (104 – 141).
————————D Abraham was tested (142 – 152).
——————————–E Ka’ba is the new qibla (153 – 177).
————————D’ Muslims will be tested (178 – 253).
—————-C’ Deliverance of Law to Muslims (254 – 284).
——–B’ Allah’s creation and knowledge.
A’ Faith vs. unbelief (285 – 286).

The coherence in the form of a ring composition is best illustrated in the diagram below (please click on picture to enlarge) [2]:

If we examine the 9 sections we find that they contain sub-ring compositions. So what we have is rings within rings (please click on pictures to enlarge) [3]:

Here is a table showing parallels between the corresponding sections (the correspondences here are indicated horizontally):

Finally, it’s worth paying special attention to a particular verse of Surah al-Baqarah, the 255th verse known as ‘Ayat al-Kursi’. This verse is considered the most excellent verse of the Qur’an, according to Prophet Muhammad. Its memorisation is highly encouraged, and it just so happens that it too exhibits a ring composition:

Raymond K Farrin, author of “Surat al-Baqarah – A Structural Analysis”, concludes on Surah al-Baqarah’s ring composition:

“Indeed this sura exhibits marvellous justness of design. It is precisely and tightly arranged, as we have seen, according to the principles of ring composition; even the section lengths fit perfectly in the overall scheme. Moreover, the precise structure serves as a guide, pointing to key themes in the sura. These occur, according to the logic of the pattern, at the centers of individual rings and, particularly, at the center of the whole sura. At the center of the sura, again, one finds instructions to face Mecca — this being a test of faith; identification of the Muslims as a new, middle community; and the message that all people, regardless of their qibla or spiritual orientation, should race to do good and God will bring them together.”


Ring composition has great exegetical application. For a ring structure not only holds the text together, but also gives focus to the important words and themes. By means of concentric patterning, ring composition calls attention to the centre – we are drawn to look here for the essential message. As Mary Douglas notes concisely, “The meaning is in the middle.” [4]

It also serves as an aid in memorisation, especially useful given the length of Surah al-Baqarah. In his study of ancient poetry, Cedric Whitman found that ring composition simultaneously performed both aesthetic and mnemonic functions. It aids memorisation by permitting the oral poet to easily recall the basic formulae of the composition during performances [5].


Given the difficult and protracted circumstances of the Qur’an’s revelation, one would expect it to be in disorder. However as this article has demonstrated, any such understanding reveals a lack of insight into the Qur’an’s sophisticated structure. Upon deep analysis of the Qur’an’s composition we see that it exhibits a remarkable structure. It is simply impossible for Prophet Muhammad, given that he could neither read nor write and had no reputation as a poet or literary expert, to have engineered such a structure himself. This represents compelling evidence that his inspiration for the Qur’an was God Almighty, as the Qur’an itself states:

“Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in Power.” [Chapter 53, verses 2-5]


1 - Tafsir at-Tabari, also see Tafsir Abdul Razzaq 3/86 Narration No. 2496 under Qur’an 36:69.

2 – Original diagram taken from article at Islam21c, “The Coherence of al-Baqarah”.

3 - Surat al-Baqarah – A Structural Analysis, Raymond Farrin, 2010.

4 – Mary Douglas, Thinking in Circles 16, 35.

5 – Cedric M. Whitman. Homer and the Heroic Tradition. Cambridge: Harvard UP, 1958.

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« on: May 13, 2014, 01:22:32 PM »

 Allah said:

  Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you]." There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought.

 Okay, now I have come to know that bees eat from fruits. but the question is, bees don't make honey from the fruits rather they make it from the nectar of the flowers. Doesn't Quran say anything about the source of the honey??? i mean the nectar of the flower??

 please please help.

Doesn't Quran say anything about the source of the honey??

no it does not say about source of the honey, it only says that it is healing for people. wich is most important part.

From those two columns of numbers, chapter and verse numbers, we can extract all this

1. 57 odd 57 even numbers

2. sum of all odd = som of all chapters
sum of all even = som of all verses

3. golden ratio between non-repetetive and repetetive numbers wich is 1.618

4. symmtrical organisation of the numbers

5. Chapters and verses together make big numbers wich are divisible with 19

Here, we have repetitive
numerical values from the table above
for example, chapters 85 and 99 have
same nummerical value 107, we summerize all repetitive numerical values

we have non-repetitive numerical values, and we summarize them also

We can clearly
see golden ratio between repetitive and non-repetitive numerical values from
this table

Point 4. Symetric organisation of the book

(Sequence number of Chapter)-(Verses)
4 combination:


example first chapter Fatiha has sequence number 1 and 7 verses,
then it is in ODD-ODD section

Homogenus are ODD-ODD,

Non-homogenus are odd-even, even-odd

It is also
constructed simmetrically

Now we divide the book in half,
first part of quran 57 chapters, and second part quran 57 chapters

this is also symetrical between homogenus and non-homogenus

Chapters of which the number of verses are greater than sequence number

Chapters of which the number of verses are smaller than sequence number

Sequence Numbers Set and Number of Verse Set

example: Chapter/Surah with sequence nr 3, nr of ayats/verses 3 can be found at seequence nr 108 and 110

The numbers which are divided by two and not divided by three

The numbers which are divided by three and not divided by two

The numbers which are neither divisible by two nor by three

Point number 5

for more combinations in the table see this link here

Amazing nummerical miracle from Quran

for your verification, copy
111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111211111111111111111011111111 =
15873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015887301587301587301573015873 x 7

When read from right to left, we have:
111111110111111111111111112111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 =
15873015730158730158730158873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873015873 x 7
and put this big number in calculator

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