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more on that page such similar suff, like it to get notifications to be infromed about new findings.

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Welcome back, akhi Dawud.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for the link.  I have added it to:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#numerical_miracles

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Great. My intetion is to created Page with biggest collection of verified numerical miracles, wich other can see, test and verify by themselves.

Everybody can use material from that page in their Dawah.

brother Osama i have added also your 950 letters in chapter Nuh numerical miracle.

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New Page about :
Numerical miracles in the Quran, visual and testable evidence
https://www.facebook.com/quranicvisualmiracles/

THERE A LOT Amazing examples of numerical miracles in the Quran, "LIKE" The page to get updates when something new comes from numerical miracles in the Quran.




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one more thing i found,

3 crucial words are mentioned among totally 15 words in the verse, wich could represent 3rd month and 15 day.


Taking over the Prime Minister’s office on March 15, 2003, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan implemented a number of reforms...

https://www.tccb.gov...ogan/biography/
 
On March 15, 2003, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan assumed the Prime Minister’s office.

http://b20turkey.org...tayyip-erdogan/

That verse contains 15 words

Alam tara kayfa daraba Allahu mathalan kalimatan tayyibatan kashajaratin tayyibatin asluha thabitun wafarAAuha fee alssamai

3 crucuial Words were mentioned in totally 15 Words corresponding to 15/3 (march 15) 2003

so we have actually 4 points wich suggest that this is a programmed future event

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Qur’an manuscript among world’s oldest found in University of Birmingham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQAgxO_CNxk

Birmingham Qur'an manuscript dated among the oldest in the world
Posted on 22 Jul 2015
http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2015/07/quran-manuscript-22-07-15.aspx

A Qur’an manuscript held by the University of Birmingham has been placed among the oldest in the world thanks to modern scientific methods.

Radiocarbon analysis has dated the parchment on which the text is written to the period between AD 568 and 645 with 95.4% accuracy. The test was carried out in a laboratory at the University of Oxford. The result places the leaves close to the time of the Prophet Muhammad, who is generally thought to have lived between AD 570 and 632.

Quran 7th century 1 Cadbury Research LibraryResearchers conclude that the Qur’an manuscript is among the earliest written textual evidence of the Islamic holy book known to survive. This gives the Qur’an manuscript in Birmingham global significance to Muslim heritage and the study of Islam.

Susan Worrall, Director of Special Collections (Cadbury Research Library), at the University of Birmingham, said: ‘The radiocarbon dating has delivered an exciting result, which contributes significantly to our understanding of the earliest written copies of the Qur’an. We are thrilled that such an important historical document is here in Birmingham, the most culturally diverse city in the UK.’

The Qur’an manuscript is part of the University’s Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts, held in the Cadbury Research Library. Funded by Quaker philanthropist Edward Cadbury, the collection was acquired to raise the status of Birmingham as an intellectual centre for religious studies and attract prominent theological scholars.

Consisting of two parchment leaves, the Qur’an manuscript contains parts of Suras (chapters) 18 to 20, written with ink in an early form of Arabic script known as Hijazi. For many years, the manuscript had been misbound with leaves of a similar Qur’an manuscript, which is datable to the late seventh century.

Susan Worrall said: ‘By separating the two leaves and analysing the parchment, we have brought to light an amazing find within the Mingana Collection.’

MS1572A folio 1 verso and folio 2 rectoExplaining the context and significance of the discovery, Professor David Thomas, Professor of Christianity and Islam and Nadir Dinshaw Professor of Interreligious Relations at the University of Birmingham, said: ‘The radiocarbon dating of the Birmingham Qur’an folios has yielded a startling result and reveals one of the most surprising secrets of the University’s collections. They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam.

‘According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Qur’an, the scripture of Islam, between the years AD 610 and 632, the year of his death. At this time, the divine message was not compiled into the book form in which it appears today. Instead, the revelations were preserved in “the memories of men”. Parts of it had also been written down on parchment, stone, palm leaves and the shoulder blades of camels. Caliph Abu Bakr, the first leader of the Muslim community after Muhammad, ordered the collection of all Qur’anic material in the form of a book. The final, authoritative written form was completed and fixed under the direction of the third leader, Caliph Uthman, in about AD 650.

‘Muslims believe that the Qur’an they read today is the same text that was standardised under Uthman and regard it as the exact record of the revelations that were delivered to Muhammad.

‘The tests carried out on the parchment of the Birmingham folios yield the strong probability that the animal from which it was taken was alive during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad or shortly afterwards. This means that the parts of the Qur’an that are written on this parchment can, with a degree of confidence, be dated to less than two decades after Muhammad’s death. These portions must have been in a form that is very close to the form of the Qur’an read today, supporting the view that the text has undergone little or no alteration and that it can be dated to a point very close to the time it was believed to be revealed.’

The Qur’an manuscript will be on public display at the University of Birmingham from Friday 2 October until Sunday 25 October.

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evidence 450 Words between begining of the chapter Iron and Iron verse in the chapter Iron

Sabbaha
 lillahi ma fee alssamawati waalardi
 wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu


 Lahu mulku alssamawati
 waalardi yuhyee wayumeetu wahuwa AAala kulli shayin
 qadeerun


 Huwa alawwalu waalakhiru
 waalththahiru waalbatinu wahuwa
 bikulli shayin Aaaleemun


 Huwa allathee
 khalaqa alssamawati waalarda fee sittati ayyamin
 thumma istawa AAala alAAarshi yaAAlamu ma yaliju fee alardi
 wama yakhruju minha wama yanzilu mina alssamai
 wama yaAAruju feeha wahuwa maAAakum ayna ma kuntum waAllahu
 bima taAAmaloona baseerun


 Lahu mulku alssamawati
 waalardi waila Allahi turjaAAu alomooru


 Yooliju allayla
 fee alnnahari wayooliju alnnahara fee allayi wahuwa
 AAaleemun bithati alssudoori


Aminoo biAllahi warasoolihi
 waanfiqoo mimma jaAAalakum mustakhlafeena feehi faallatheena
amanoo minkum waanfaqoo lahum ajrun kabeerun


 Wama lakum
 la tuminoona biAllahi waalrrasoolu yadAAookum
 lituminoo birabbikum waqad akhatha meethaqakum in kuntum mumineena


 Huwa allathee
 yunazzilu AAala AAabdihi ayatin bayyinatin
 liyukhrijakum mina alththulumati ila alnnoori
 wainna Allaha bikum laraoofun raheemun


 Wama lakum
 alla tunfiqoo fee sabeeli Allahi walillahi meerathu
 alssamawati waalardi la yastawee
 minkum man anfaqa min qabli alfathi waqatala olaika aAAthamu
 darajatan mina allatheena anfaqoo min baAAdu waqataloo wakullan
 waAAada Allahu alhusna waAllahu bima
 taAAmaloona khabeerun


 Man tha
 allathee yuqridu Allaha qardan hasanan fayudaAAifahu
 lahu walahu ajrun kareemun


 Yawma tara
 almumineena waalmuminati yasAAa nooruhum bayna aydeehim
 wabiaymanihim bushrakumu alyawma jannatun tajree min tahtiha
 alanharu khalideena feeha thalika huwa alfawzu
 alAAatheemu


 Yawma yaqoolu
 almunafiqoona waalmunafiqatu lillatheena amanoo
 onthuroona naqtabis min noorikum qeela irjiAAoo waraakum
 failtamisoo nooran faduriba baynahum bisoorin lahu babun batinuhu
 feehi alrrahmatu wathahiruhu min qibalihi
 alAAathabu


 Yunadoonahum
 alam nakun maAAakum qaloo bala walakinnakum fatantum
 anfusakum watarabbastum wairtabtum wagharratkumu alamaniyyu
hatta jaa amru Allahi wagharrakum biAllahi
 algharooru


 Faalyawma
 la yukhathu minkum fidyatun wala mina allatheena
 kafaroo mawakumu alnnaru hiya mawlakum wabisa almaseeru


 Alam yani lillatheena
amanoo an takhshaAAa quloobuhum lithikri Allahi wama
 nazala mina alhaqqi wala yakoonoo kaallatheena
 ootoo alkitaba min qablu fatala AAalayhimu alamadu faqasat
 quloobuhum wakatheerun minhum fasiqoona


 IAAlamoo anna Allaha
 yuhyee alarda baAAda mawtiha qad bayyanna lakumu alayati
 laAAallakum taAAqiloona


 Inna almussaddiqeena
 waalmussaddiqati waaqradoo Allaha qardan
hasanan yudaAAafu lahum walahum ajrun kareemun


 Waallatheena
amanoo biAllahi warusulihi olaika humu alssiddeeqoona
 waalshshuhadao AAinda rabbihim lahum ajruhum wanooruhum waallatheena
 kafaroo wakaththaboo biayatina olaika ashabu
 aljaheemi


 IAAlamoo annama
 alhayatu alddunya laAAibun walahwun wazeenatun
 watafakhurun baynakum watakathurun fee alamwali waalawladi
 kamathali ghaythin aAAjaba alkuffara nabatuhu thumma yaheeju
 fatarahu musfarran thumma yakoonu hutaman wafee alakhirati
 AAathabun shadeedun wamaghfiratun mina Allahi waridwanun
 wama alhayatu alddunya illa mataAAu
 alghuroori


 Sabiqoo ila
 maghfiratin min rabbikum wajannatin AAarduha kaAAardi alssamai
 waalardi oAAiddat lillatheena amanoo biAllahi
 warusulihi thalika fadlu Allahi yuteehi man yashao
 waAllahu thoo alfadli alAAatheemi


 Ma asaba
 min museebatin fee alardi wala fee anfusikum illa
 fee kitabin min qabli an nabraaha inna thalika AAala
 Allahi yaseerun


 Likayla
 tasaw AAala ma fatakum wala tafrahoo bima
atakum waAllahu la yuhibbu kulla
 mukhtalin fakhoorin


 Allatheena
 yabkhaloona wayamuroona alnnasa bialbukhli waman yatawalla
 fainna Allaha huwa alghaniyyu alhameedu

evidence that specific heat capacity for Iron is 450 j /kg


http://resources.yesican-science.ca/.../sh_table.html
 Iron or steel
 450 J/kg

http://www.bluffton.edu/~bergerd/cla...nswers7-2.html
 specific heat capacity of steel is 450 J/kg/°C.

http://www.engineerstudent.co.uk/spe...t_capacity.php
 Iron450

Modern Physics: The Quantum Physics of Atoms, Solids, and Nuclei: Third Edition
https://books.google.se/books?id=b7j...page&q&f=false

 Iron specific heat 450 j /kg

Principles of Physics: For Scientists and Engineers
https://books.google.se/books?id=gJA...j%2Fkg&f=false

 specific heat for Iron 450 j/kg


Design Engineer's Reference Guide: Mathematics, Mechanics, and Thermodynamics
https://books.google.se/books?id=tZX...j%2Fkg&f=false
 specific heat for Iron 450 j/kg

http://www.gigaphysics.com/mech_equiv_ws.html
 The specific heat capacity of iron is 450 J/kg-K.)

 swedish sites also say 450 j/kg
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstruktionsst%C3%A5l


http://fragelada.fysik.org/index.asp...531&close=true
 järn 450 J/(kg*K).

http://grupp1b.blogspot.se/2012/03/jarn.html
 Järnets värmekapacitet ligger på 450 J/(kg·K)

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from the Begining of the chapter Iron to the Iron verse there are 450 Words, Iron has specific heat capacity of 450 j/kg

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Question to arabic speakers

what does this two words mean

fromverse
76:28
نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاهُمْ وَشَدَدْنَا أَسْرَهُمْ ۖ وَإِذَا شِئْنَا بَدَّلْنَا أَمْثَالَهُمْ تَبْدِيلًاِ
washadadna asrahum

does it mean
 We strengthened their form

some translate it like this


We created them and fixed their bones and joints;

We created them and made their joints strong,

We created them and made their joints firm,

We created them, and We strengthened their joints;

We created them and strengthened their joints;

Why do they translate joints, is asrahum (their joints) or ???

why do i ask this beacuse

from the begining of the Chapter Insan (Human)

to the word (We strengthened their joints / We trengthened their form) there is 206 words

and we know today that humans have 206 bones in their body

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bones_of_the_human_skeleton
The skeleton of an adult human consists of 206 bones. It is composed of 270 bones at birth, which decreases to 206 bones by adulthood after some bones have fused together

The 206 Bones of the Human Body
http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kleine/anatomy/bones.html

http://www.ivyroses.com/HumanBody/Skeletal/how-many-bones-in-the-human-body.php
There are 206 named bones a normal, complete, adult human skeleton.

evidence

Hal ata AAala alinsani heenun mina alddahri lam yakun shayan mathkooran
Inna khalaqna alinsana min nutfatin amshajin nabtaleehi fajaAAalnahu sameeAAan baseeran
Inna hadaynahu alssabeela imma shakiran waimma kafooran
Inna aAAtadna lilkafireena salasila waaghlalan wasaAAeeran
Inna alabrara yashraboona min kasin kana mizajuha kafooran
AAaynan yashrabu biha AAibadu Allahi yufajjiroonaha tafjeeran
Yoofoona bialnnathri wayakhafoona yawman kana sharruhu mustateeran
WayutAAimona alttaAAama AAala hubbihi miskeenan wayateeman waaseeran
Innama nutAAimukum liwajhi Allahi la nureedu minkum jazaan wala shukooran
Inna nakhafu min rabbina yawman AAaboosan qamtareeran
Fawaqahumu Allahu sharra thalika alyawmi walaqqahum nadratan wasurooran
Wajazahum bima sabaroo jannatan wahareeran
Muttakieena feeha AAala alaraiki la yarawna feeha shamsan wala zamhareeran
Wadaniyatan AAalayhim thilaluha wathullilat qutoofuha tathleelan
Wayutafu AAalayhim bianiyatin min fiddatin waakwabin kanat qawareera
Qawareera min fiddatin qaddarooha taqdeeran
Wayusqawna feeha kasan kana mizajuha zanjabeelan
AAaynan feeha tusamma salsabeelan
Wayatoofu AAalayhim wildanun mukhalladoona itha raaytahum hasibtahum luluan manthooran
Waitha raayta thamma raayta naAAeeman wamulkan kabeeran
AAaliyahum thiyabu sundusin khudrun waistabraqun wahulloo asawira min fiddatin wasaqahum rabbuhum sharaban tahooran
Inna hatha kana lakum jazaan wakana saAAyukum mashkooran
Inna nahnu nazzalna AAalayka alqurana tanzeelan
Faisbir lihukmi rabbika wala tutiAA minhum athiman aw kafooran
Waothkuri isma rabbika bukratan waaseelan
Wamina allayli faosjud lahu wasabbihhu laylan taweelan
Inna haolai yuhibboona alAAajilata wayatharoona waraahum yawman thaqeelan
Nahnu khalaqnahum


copy this and you will get 206 words to the word washadadna (we strengthened)

answer

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Brother Osama asserts that 36:38 is some kind of miracle.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

In fact it is plainly obvious.  Just look up in the sky during the day!  “The sun runs a course for a time to a fixed resting place.”
How can any reasonable person consider that to somehow be a miracle?  That is just a crude and erroneous description of the obvious.
The sun does not rest, it just seems to at sunset.
The sunset point is not fixed, rather it changes each day.
The sun was thought to orbit the Earth in those days, which is a far simpler explanation for the words than an asserted miracle of predicted galactic orbit.

Brothers, where is the scientific miracle in all that?

Those verses are just meandering words asserting thrones and angels and spirits and stairways.  Not a bit of “scientific miracle” in any of it.

A day is either a day, or 1000 years, or 50,000 years.  So, according to the Qur’an, the universe and the Earth was created in either 6 days, 6000 years, or 300,000 years.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong, science tells us.

There are no scientific miracles in the Qur’an.


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“The sun runs a course for a time to a fixed resting place.”
How can any reasonable person consider that to somehow be a miracle?  That is just a crude and erroneous description of the obvious.
The sun does not rest, it just seems to at sunset.
The sunset point is not fixed, rather it changes each day.
The sun was thought to orbit the Earth in those days, which is a far simpler explanation for the words than an asserted miracle of predicted galactic orbit.

this only shows how weak your understanding of science and quran is

quran says that sun moves in space, that is a scientific fact, (remeber quran never say it moves around the earth)

look what science say about it

Sun's orbit around milky way galaxy in the Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJtnF3W8mc
see here how sun moves in space

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The sun does not rest,

what does it mean sun resting place



THE SUN WILL EXPIRE AFTER SOME TIME

And the sun runs to a fixed resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Ya Sin, 38)

The Sun has been emitting heat for around 5 billion years as a result of the constant chemical reactions taking place on its surface. At a moment determined by Allah in the future, these reactions will eventually come to an end, and the Sun will lose all its energy and finally go out. In that context, the above verse may be a reference to the Sun’s energy one day coming to an end. (Allah knows the truth.)

The Arabic word "mustaqarrin" in the verse refers to a particular place or time. The word “tajree,” translated as “runs,” bears such meanings as “to move, to act swiftly, to move about, to flow.” It appears from the meanings of the words that the Sun will continue in its course in time and space, but that this motion will continue until a specific, predetermined time.  The verse " When the Sun is compacted in blackness " (Surat at-Takwir, 1) which appears in descriptions of Doomsday, tells us that such a time will be coming. The specific timing is known only to Allah.

The Arabic word "taqdeeru," translated as “decree” in the verse, includes such meanings as “to appoint, to determine the destiny of something, to measure.” By this expression in verse 38 of Surah Ya Sin we are told that the life span of the Sun is limited to a specific period, one ordained by Allah. Other verses of the Qur’an on the subject read:

Allah is He Who raised up the heavens without any support – you can see that – and then established Himself firmly on the Throne. He made the Sun and Moon subservient, each running for a specified term. He directs the whole affair. He makes the Signs clear so that hopefully you will be certain about the meeting with your Lord. (Surat ar- Ra‘d, 2)

He makes night merge into day and day merge into night, and He has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running until a specified time. That is Allah, your Lord. The Kingdom is His. Those you call on besides Him have no power over even the smallest speck. (Surah Fatir, 13)

He created the heavens and the Earth with truth. He wraps the night around the day and wraps the day around the night, and has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running for a specified term. Is He not indeed the Almighty, the Endlessly Forgiving? (Surah az-Zumar, 5)

The use of the word "musamman" in the above verses shows that the life span of the Sun will run for a “specified term.” Scientific analysis regarding the end of the Sun describes it as each second, 4 million tons of matter are converted into energy 1 , and says that the Sun will die when that fuel has all been consumed. 2 The heat and light emitted from the Sun is the energy released as matter is consumed as hydrogen nuclei turn into helium in the nuclear fusion process. The Sun’s energy, and therefore its life, will thus come to an end once this fuel has been used up. (Allah knows the truth.) A report titled “The Death of the Sun” by the BBC News Science Department says:

...The Sun will gradually die. As a star's core crashes inwards, it eventually becomes hot enough to ignite another of its constituent atoms, helium. Helium atoms fuse together to form carbon. When the helium supply runs out, the centre collapses again and the atmosphere inflates. The Sun isn't massive enough to fully re-ignite its core for a third time. So it goes on expanding, shedding its atmosphere in a series of bursts... The dying core eventually forms a white dwarf - a spherical diamond the size of the Earth, made of carbon and oxygen. From this point on the Sun will gradually fade away, becoming dimmer and dimmer until its light is finally snuffed out. 3

A documentary, also called “The Death of the Sun,” broadcast by National Geographic TV, provides the following description:

It generates heat and sustains life on our planet. But like humans, the sun has a limited lifespan. As our star ages, it will become hotter and expand, evaporating all of our oceans and killing all life on planet Earth... The sun will get hotter as it ages and burns fuel faster. Temperatures will increase, eventually wiping out animal life, evaporating our oceans and killing all plant life... the sun will swell and become a red giant star, swallowing up the nearest planets. Its gravitational pull will lessen and perhaps allow Earth to escape. By the end, it will shrink into a white dwarf star, emitting a week glow... 4

Scientists have only recently unravelled the structure of the Sun and discovered what goes on inside it. Before that, nobody knew how the Sun obtained its energy or how it emitted heat and light. The way that such a giant mass of energy would one day consume all its energy and expire was revealed 1,400 years ago in the Qur’an shows the presence of a sublime knowledge. That knowledge belongs to our Lord, Whose knowledge enfolds all things. Another verse of the Qur’an reveals:

"... My Lord encompasses all things in His knowledge so will you not pay heed?” (Surat Al-An‘am, 80)

1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/stars/death/index.shtml

4 "Death of the Sun", National Geographic Channel, 20 March 2006, director: Rabinder Minhas,part no. 25, season 3.



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A day is either a day, or 1000 years, or 50,000 years.  So, according to the Qur’an, the universe and the Earth was created in either 6 days, 6000 years, or 300,000 years.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong, science tells us.

There are no scientific miracles in the Qur’an.

no, yewm can mean day 24h, and it can also mean a period wich is longer, much longer than our day.

to God is 1 day as our 1000 years

on judgment day, that day will be 50 000 years long. and by the way, do you knkow any thing about theory of relativity, where time is relevative, it is not fixed.

universe and earth was created in 6 periods not our (24h) days

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I have conclusively proved that the claim of a miracle made by brother Osama is false and should be removed from his posted claims.

I have no independent means to verify your latest asserted set of relationships even exits, and I have no intention of counting verses in the Qur'an myself.

To work on your latest set of "miraculous" criteria I would need in text form a summary of all the data cited, preferably in .xls or .csv form.  If you could clearly and concisely list in text form all the relations of all the components you wish to engineer into your "miracle" I can work on it over time.

My assertion stands, that there are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an, and the asserted numerological associations are within the capability of 7th century man to engineer into the texts.

Oh, but I did another solution!  This time I duplicated the exact numbers of the so called golden ratio supposedly created in code by Allah.  And I can assure you, I am not Allah, yet I produced these numbers.  There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an


ChapterVersesEvenOddRptNon-Rpt
1161717
2799
3161919
4599
5202525
691515
7283535
851313
9202929
10196219721972
11196119721972
12196019721972
13195919721972
14110411181118
15117711921192
16109011061106
17112711441144
18154172172
SumSumSumSumSumSum
171126201262017179064885

then you are a liar in that case to deny obvious facts from verses and hadith, yo uactually lie to yourself.

here is another challenge for you, let see how you will manage to challenge it



to verify this use this calulator
http://web2.0calc.com/


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